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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS MASTERPIECE FROM ALI SINA AT FFI.  Reply with quote

Just read this from Ali Sina, a hypocrite himself,  at FFI. Please read and enjoy his advice to the poster asking her to be bold and emulate Rosa Parks. I have emboldened the portion of Ali's hypocritical quote. Have not seen him doing that. Laughing


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Ali:Welcome to humanity.  

notthrilled wrote:

Once my children were born I was subjected to another set of rules. No books with pictures, no TV, no toys with faces, no movies, no playing with boys....you name it.

Looking back on my own childhood, I had all of these things. We were not rich. But we looked at TV, we played with dolls and turned out pretty darn well. I never understand what that has to with Islam.  

Ali:It is all about control. All cults have strict rules that often make no sense but they act as tight leash so the cult leader can have total control over his minions. The more they submit to absurd rituals and the more restrictive is the cult the more the leader has control. All these strict Islamic rituals, including fasting and waking up so early in the morning to pray were designed so the follower stay within the fold. The tougher is the cult the more the believer adheres to it thinking that by doing all those sacrifices he or she will be rewarded.

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I want to be a person who is spiritual and not performing rituals for the sake of performing them. I do not want to practice a faith out of fear. I do not speak Arabic, so I often feel silly when I can rattle something off in Arabic but when someone asks me what it means I have no idea.

Ali: Islam is light years away from spirituality. Spirituality and rituals are two distinct things. Cults substitute rituals for spirituality. Spirituality means love for mankind, forgiveness, compassion for all creatures, etc. Islam has nothing to do with that. Islam teaches hatred of mankind. All the non-believers are deemed to be kafir, which is a derogatory term. Christians are regarded as maqdhoob, (subject to the wrath of God) and the Jews are called monkeys and pigs. And these are the People of Book. Others do not have even the right to live in this earth. Islam and spirituality are worlds apart.

What qurbani or animal sacrifice has to do with spirituality? This blood curling ritual is performed in front of the children that numbs their senses and makes them irreverent to living creatures.

When the Pharisees brought a prostitute to Jesus and said the law says we should stone her. What say you? He responded, "let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone". Upon hearing this, people scattered. Now, I call that spiritual. I am not a Christian but I am moved by this story. I learn lessons from it. I try to live by it. When in Medina the Jews brought an adulteress to Muhammad and said what shall we do with her, he said your book says stone her so that is what you should do.

How can these two men be from the same God? They definately are not. Which one of them is more spiritual? One is demonic and one is spiritual. I leave it to you do decide which is which.

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I do not want to beat my children for not praying. Alot of people love to quote that :"and beat them when they reach 10.." for not praying. (Im paraphrasing) We go to God because we want to and out of fear...at least that's what I thought as a child. My parents never forced me to pray. I cannot imagine that.

Ali:Fear and violence are tools of the psychopath. God is love. You can't instill love with violence and threat. Psychopath narcissists do not distinguish between one and the other. To them all that matters is that you respect them. Whether you respect them through fear or love is all the same. Muhammad was a psychopath. This evil man was not a prophet of God. His deeds were all demonic.

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My children are getting older and I do want them to have strong faith and morals.

Ali: Morality has nothing to do with religion. This is a gross error. Mostly religionists make you believe that with the fear of God people will stop being moral. Far from it. Morality is an inherent quality of humans. We humans invented religions and then made our own morality part of it.

Most of the morality of religions particularly the morality of Islam is immoral. Is marrying a child and having sex with her moral? Is beating one's wife moral? Is raiding unbelievers, massacring unarmed men and enslaving their wives and children moral? Is raping women captured in such raids moral? Is polygamy moral? All these evil and immoral acts were perpetrated by Muhammad and subsequently by his followers. The morality of Islam is very immoral.

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Right now I feel like a hypocrite. Wearing hijab but not really believing it in my heart. I guess other muslims can sense that because I always feel "watched" and judged.

Ali: Go to a public place, call friends with video and preferably the media as well. Then in front of everyone, remove your veil and set it on fire. Then announce in loud voice, "I am free - free from lies and abuse. Free at last. Free at last. I set on fire this veil of shame and with that burn the abuse and deception that had enslaved me for so many years." Prepare a short public talk. (I can help you write one if you want) Send those pictures to the editors of FFI so we can publish them. Become an inspiration to other women caught in this web of lies.

Rosa Parks was an ordinary woman. She became a heroine because she dared to defy a stupid law. It is now your turn to become a heroine by burning your veil of shame publicly and making it known that you will no longer accept the slavery and deception of Islam.


As far as Muhammad was concerned women were nothing but awrat (pudenda, vagina). Women must cover themselves because that pervert only saw them as sexual objects and not as human beings. Do not accept that humiliation. Burn your veil in public and make an example of it. You live in America not in Iran or Saudi Arabia. You do not have to fear anyone. It is time to say NO to stupidity and humiliation.
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Ali Sina:"Go to a public place, call friends with video and preferably the media as well. Then in front of everyone, remove your veil and set it on fire. Then announce in loud voice, "I am free" (Edited)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the problem? I thought that was good advice.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear BMZ

Many "muslims" on the verge of becoming apostates face the same kind of problems, as we all know !

Ali Sinas advice maybe was a bit provocative, but then, I also think ex-muslims ought to stand up, and speak out !

If they do it ALL, there's no way sharia law could be applied on them !

I guess your complaint only comes from hating to see another muslim leave this religion !

Sometimes I wonder HOW many undercover apostates are running around, still pretending to be "believers" ...

Which makes me ask a personal question to you !

Generally - would YOU kill an apostate... ?

And what if you were alone with the apostate, and your Imam/Mufti/Khalifa told you to "do it" !?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes BMZ, very hilarious.

In Soviet Russia, when someone criticized the system, they often sent him to the crazy asylum. The idea was, if you are prepared to criticize someone who can kill you, then you must be crazy.

So the system killed innumerable numbers of people, and then sent the rest of the critics to asylums for being too stupid to learn. We understand today, that those critics were among the most courageous humanity ever conceived.

Islam had killed so many people and critics, that now, you find anyone advising to criticize islam to be crazy, you find him to be hilarious.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HomoErectus wrote:
Dear BMZ

Ali Sinas advice maybe was a bit provocative, but then, I also think ex-muslims ought to stand up, and speak out !

If they do it ALL, there's no way sharia law could be applied on them !


Dear HE,

Ali Sina does not have to fear any Sharia or Muslims in Canada. You just said it yourself that an ex-Muslim ought to stand up and speak out. But not by standing behing a curtain or sitting in a cellar or basement. Look at CD. He put up his video on youtube so boldly. There are lots of Muslims in the U.K and CD is safe.


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I guess your complaint only comes from hating to see another muslim leave this religion !


No, not at all. My complaint has nothing to do with that. Maryam Namazie, Wafa Sultan, Noni Darwaish have left Islam openly. Many over the internet know them and see their pictures, while this man who claims to be an ex-Muslim, writes extensive rubbish, preaches what he practises not and carries on his mission of hatred against Islam and the Muslims. I guess if I were the Ali Sina for Christianity, you would have surely asked me why I hide myself. To me it does not matter, if any Muslim leaves Islam. What is important is that I am in and will always be in Islam.

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Which makes me ask a personal question to you !

Generally - would YOU kill an apostate... ?

And what if you were alone with the apostate, and your Imam/Mufti/Khalifa told you to "do it" !?



That is a very good question and I am glad you asked bluntly and the answer is:

No, I will not and never will kill an apostate. Why should I? God Almighty, in Qur'aan, has not asked me to kill an apostate and neither has God Almighty instructed to kill apostates, then who the hell is my Imam/Mufti/Khalifa to tell me to do that?

Now my question to you: Don't you ever feel or think that Ali Sina should be honest in standing up publicly and show what he stands for, instead of hiding like a rat in the hole? Be honest in your response.  Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes BMZ, very hilarious.

In Soviet Russia, when someone criticized the system, they often sent him to the crazy asylum. The idea was, if you are prepared to criticize someone who can kill you, then you must be crazy.

So the system killed innumerable numbers of people, and then sent the rest of the critics to asylums for being too stupid to learn. We understand today, that those critics were among the most courageous humanity ever conceived.

Islam had killed so many people and critics, that now, you find anyone advising to criticize islam to be crazy, you find him to be hilarious.


So, do you think Ali Sina should be honest and stand up publicly in Canada and show that he is a genuine apostate of Islam. Or atleast the guy can be honest to put a video on youtube like CD did so openly and is safe. There is no danger to his life. Ali Sina is not known that well in the Muslim world. He is only known to a few on the cyberway. Why do you defend the man when he is not being honest, Baal?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello BMZ

I agree with you that it would fit Ali Sina to stand up in public, it would better in that way. But I can understand it if he rather would be on the safe side and don't become a public person, in theory targeting himself, but more importantly his family and all. You have to agree that there's other people who consider themselves as muslims who does not have the same ideas about apostacy as you do, right?

Ibn Warraq has done a semi-public appearance, meaning that he has ben part of different public meatings, fx having debated Tariq Ramadan, and being part of the ISIS. One could in that way ask why he still mantains his pseudonym. But anyways it fits a person in a position like that to know his face and his appearance.

One can certainly hope that the like of Maryam Namanzie, and the other public figures of the different ex-muslimcounsils can be figure for future developments. Many people who does not feel muslim are still today afraid of expressing their feelings in public and in relation to their nearest friends and family. Hopefully it will be better with time.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hello BMZ

I agree with you that it would fit Ali Sina to stand up in public, it would better in that way. But I can understand it if he rather would be on the safe side and don't become a public person, in theory targeting himself, but more importantly his family and all. You have to agree that there's other people who consider themselves as muslims who does not have the same ideas about apostacy as you do, right?

Ibn Warraq has done a semi-public appearance, meaning that he has ben part of different public meatings, fx having debated Tariq Ramadan, and being part of the ISIS. One could in that way ask why he still mantains his pseudonym. But anyways it fits a person in a position like that to know his face and his appearance.

One can certainly hope that the like of Maryam Namanzie, and the other public figures of the different ex-muslimcounsils can be figure for future developments. Many people who does not feel muslim are still today afraid of expressing their feelings in public and in relation to their nearest friends and family. Hopefully it will be better with time.

Cheers and peace


Salman Rushdie's entire family of relatives is well and kicking alive in Pakistan.  Smile No one has killed any of his relatives.

For me, Ali Sina and Ibn Warraq are really bogus figures and fraud. I can't have any good words for either. Let us leave at that.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Salman Rushdie's entire family of relatives is well and kicking alive in Pakistan.  Smile No one has killed any of his relatives.

For me, Ali Sina and Ibn Warraq are really bogus figures and fraud. I can't have any good words for either. Let us leave at that.

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But he has been threaten himself, right? And has been living under protection? No, really BMZ, some people have been killed because of their criticism of islam. Fortunately many does not get killed, but personally I can understand why people would be catious at all. There a some people who can't accept criticism, and their response is fatal. But it might seem that more and more people are getting public with their criticism and again people like Maryam Namanzie is probably helping a lot to push the border, and more people will be able to speak their personal opinion out loud without fearing whats on the messageboard the day after. Even "harmless" deatthreats is not funny to recieve. One practically don't know wether they are for real or not. Ali Sina and Ibn Warraq wether you like them or not is in some way kind of a "pioneers" of this strucural movement and has brought good and bad elements with them. But no doubt that the public appearence will have more impact, and hopefully your friends (and the future witzbold, berberella etc.) over at councilofexmuslims one day will be able to articulate their personal opinion, that they don't believe in islam out 'loud'. And for the remark I would not second the suggestion that Ali Sina did in the OP of this thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Baal wrote:
Yes BMZ, very hilarious.

In Soviet Russia, when someone criticized the system, they often sent him to the crazy asylum. The idea was, if you are prepared to criticize someone who can kill you, then you must be crazy.

So the system killed innumerable numbers of people, and then sent the rest of the critics to asylums for being too stupid to learn. We understand today, that those critics were among the most courageous humanity ever conceived.

Islam had killed so many people and critics, that now, you find anyone advising to criticize islam to be crazy, you find him to be hilarious.


So, do you think Ali Sina should be honest and stand up publicly in Canada and show that he is a genuine apostate of Islam. Or atleast the guy can be honest to put a video on youtube like CD did so openly and is safe. There is no danger to his life. Ali Sina is not known that well in the Muslim world. He is only known to a few on the cyberway. Why do you defend the man when he is not being honest, Baal?

BMZ

This woman if she apostates, she is not a critic of islam. She is not writing papers about muhammad and writing proofs about his acts of desert piracy and camel stealing and palm tree burning and well poisnoning.

Ali Sina however is a critic of islam, to a muslim, he is in an open war with Sina and a sword will do, but a short serrated rusty knife will do much more according to guys at the ummah.

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