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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:16 am    Post subject: Calculating God's existence  Reply with quote

When someone says that they believe or don't believe that God exists, what they are really doing is saying that they think their position is the most probable or likely one. So we are dealing with probabilities based on one's accumulated life experience and knowledge. So your accumulated experience and knowledge is the sample size, and life itself, or all knowledge, hidden or non hidden, would be the population. So what percentage of the population is the sample size? Is it large enough to constitute a valid sampling? Let's even take all accumulated knowledge of everyone as the sample size. Is it a large enough proportion of the population to be a valid sample size? Who knows. How could we?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to wonder about similar things until I was told 80% of kids under the age of 10 believe there is a monster under the bed.

Mark Twain was right when he said there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Calculating God's existence Reply with quote

Mutley wrote:
When someone says that they believe or don't believe that God exists, what they are really doing is saying that they think their position is the most probable or likely one. So we are dealing with probabilities based on one's accumulated life experience and knowledge. So your accumulated experience and knowledge is the sample size, and life itself, or all knowledge, hidden or non hidden, would be the population. So what percentage of the population is the sample size? Is it large enough to constitute a valid sampling? Let's even take all accumulated knowledge of everyone as the sample size. Is it a large enough proportion of the population to be a valid sample size? Who knows. How could we?


Sure and everyone should be free to choose the probability they see fit, however when believing in that invisible being drives and motivated mankind to commit atrocities, then fallacious beliefs should be exposed and eradicated.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Calculating God's existence Reply with quote

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Mutley wrote:
When someone says that they believe or don't believe that God exists, what they are really doing is saying that they think their position is the most probable or likely one. So we are dealing with probabilities based on one's accumulated life experience and knowledge. So your accumulated experience and knowledge is the sample size, and life itself, or all knowledge, hidden or non hidden, would be the population. So what percentage of the population is the sample size? Is it large enough to constitute a valid sampling? Let's even take all accumulated knowledge of everyone as the sample size. Is it a large enough proportion of the population to be a valid sample size? Who knows. How could we?


Sure and everyone should be free to choose the probability they see fit,


How does one choose the probability they see fit? We have a sample, a population, and a ratio between them.

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however when believing in that invisible being drives and motivated mankind to commit atrocities, then fallacious beliefs should be exposed and eradicated.


This didn't talk to the question.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I used to wonder about similar things until I was told 80% of kids under the age of 10 believe there is a monster under the bed.

Mark Twain was right when he said there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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Whooosh. Right over the head.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: Calculating God's existence Reply with quote

Mutley wrote:
When someone says that they believe or don't believe that God exists, what they are really doing is saying that they think their position is the most probable or likely one. So we are dealing with probabilities based on one's accumulated life experience and knowledge.


Ok

Mutley wrote:
So your accumulated experience and knowledge is the sample size, and life itself, or all knowledge, hidden or non hidden, would be the population.


Smile

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So what percentage of the population is the sample size? Is it large enough to constitute a valid sampling? Let's even take all accumulated knowledge of everyone as the sample size. Is it a large enough proportion of the population to be a valid sample size? Who knows. How could we?


And this is usefull for what? Basically you are stating the obvious that we don't know for sure how much we know about everything. There's plenty of the universe which we haven't even seen yet.
But I disagrees with your concept of knowledge. We have ourselves constructed the "word" and the "concept" "knowledge". You might think that there was other kinds of "knowledge" which could explain the world better. For instans is mathematics the "absolute" way to understand the universe or is it just the way we have come to understand the universe, doing it the best as we feel we can?
I have a feeling that you are looking for "something" with an "ultimate knowledge". And if you cannot find it among humans (fx accumulated science) you will have to "need" something else giving it to you. This is in my opinion a flawed logic, if it is what you are looking for, but I might be wrong on this account.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: Calculating God's existence Reply with quote

Mutley wrote:
When someone says that they believe or don't believe that God exists, what they are really doing is saying that they think their position is the most probable or likely one. So we are dealing with probabilities based on one's accumulated life experience and knowledge. So your accumulated experience and knowledge is the sample size, and life itself, or all knowledge, hidden or non hidden, would be the population. So what percentage of the population is the sample size? Is it large enough to constitute a valid sampling? Let's even take all accumulated knowledge of everyone as the sample size. Is it a large enough proportion of the population to be a valid sample size? Who knows. How could we?

By population, you must mean the population of people who died, went across, saw something and came back to tell us what they saw.

The answer is: You got me there, I never talked to someone who went across, saw something and then came back to tell me about it. Never happened. So I guess I can look harder for the population that came back and ask them about things, but that seal on my heart is so fvcking heavy and I can't breath very well.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: Calculating God's existence Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
Mutley wrote:
When someone says that they believe or don't believe that God exists, what they are really doing is saying that they think their position is the most probable or likely one. So we are dealing with probabilities based on one's accumulated life experience and knowledge. So your accumulated experience and knowledge is the sample size, and life itself, or all knowledge, hidden or non hidden, would be the population. So what percentage of the population is the sample size? Is it large enough to constitute a valid sampling? Let's even take all accumulated knowledge of everyone as the sample size. Is it a large enough proportion of the population to be a valid sample size? Who knows. How could we?

By population, you must mean the population of people who died, went across, saw something and came back to tell us what they saw.


No. The sample is all accumulated knowledge and the population is all that can be known. So it's, all that we know and all that can be known. Obviously the sample size can possibly be calculated, but I can't see how the population can be calculated.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hellow Guys,


Could you plz count how many cells are there in all animals and plants in this earth. After getting result , plz do let me know.



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intellectual_fighter wrote:
Hellow Guys,


Could you plz count how many cells are there in all animals and plants in this earth. After getting result , plz do let me know.

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So, how you gonna count ALL the cells in ALL animals and plants ?
Including Bacteria and Virae too ?
And how do humansbeings fit into the plan, we are animals too....

So, how many animals are there on this planet ?

Is this going to become another sad and sorry attempt of proving an alleged "God" by mathematics ?
[If so, I wish you a lot of fun in the course of this... Cool ]

Your socalled "God" is a hoax - prove me wrong !


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