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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: For those who dispute the signs of Allah  Reply with quote

Salam all

Today I have a very interesting subject for you, we all know that the Kafirs believe that the chance of Allah existence is 0% , on the other hand the believers believe that the chance of Allah existence is 100%

Both (the believers and the kafirs) can never be right at the same time, therefore we need to be politically correct to satisfy both, the logical chance of Allah existence without being bias to any of the two groups MUST be 50%, that is why when I dialogue with the ignorant kafirs I always try to be politically correct and tell them ďIf Allah existsĒ, this is because Iím using the logical chance of Allah existence which has to be 50%

i.e.

50% that Allah exists

and

50% that Allah does not exist

Now I want to target a specific group of the those kafirs, the ones who dispute the signs of Allah, like many on FFI web site, here is a few names: sum, tvebak, anti_jihad, ugly_shit_face, cassandra, max, pisscohot, blue, ygalg, fire-snake, chicken_lie, skynightblaze, musti, mughal, ÖÖ., the names just go on and on, anyway mty comment is directed at those freaks who dispute the signs of Allah, my comment will be nothing but what Allah said about those who dispute His signs, this must be appreciated by those freaks so they know well in advance what is going to happen to them in the case of the 50% of Allah existence to be true.

Let me start with this:

And of them is he who hears you, and We have cast veils over their hearts lest they understand it and a heaviness into their ears; and even if they see every sign they will not believe in it; so much so that when they come to you they only dispute with you; those who disbelieve say: This is naught but the stories of the ancients.

[The Quran ; 6:25]

وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَسْتَمِعُ إِلَيْكَ وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِي آذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًا وَإِن يَرَوْاْ كُلَّ آيَةٍ لاَّ يُؤْمِنُواْ بِهَا حَتَّى إِذَا جَآؤُوكَ يُجَادِلُونَكَ يَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِنْ هَذَآ إِلاَّ أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ (25)

-> See how the Quran is telling us that THEY HEARD the Quran but the veils enforced upon their dark hearts wonít make them understand it: And of them is he who hears you, and We have cast veils over their hearts lest they understand it and a heaviness into their ears;, therefore every sign that is told to them, they donít believe it as well THEY DISPUTE IT: and even if they see every sign they will not believe in it; so much so that when they come to you they only dispute with you;, and not just that they even claim that the signs of Allah are forged and are nothing but the tales of the ancient: those who disbelieve say: This is naught but the stories of the ancients., that is exactly what those freaks on FFI web site do everyday,  I.e THEIR CRIME mentioned above can not be denied by them. i.e. they must be GUILTY AS CHARGED and they will have no option but to plead GUILTY Your Honour.

From the Quran perspective, those freaks who insist on DISPUTING the signs of Allah , will be like driven to death while they are looking, it is like DEAD MAN WALKING to his execution chamber:

They disputed with you about the truth after it had been explained, (and they went forth) as if they were being driven to death while they are looking.

[The Quran ; 8:6]

يُجَادِلُونَكَ فِي الْحَقِّ بَعْدَمَا تَبَيَّنَ كَأَنَّمَا يُسَاقُونَ إِلَى الْمَوْتِ وَهُمْ يَنظُرُونَ (6)

-> See: They disputed with you about the truth after it had been explained, (and they went forth) , we know well how they continue with a passion to dispute with the believers after the believers spent a great deal to explain the truth (from the believers perspective) to them, now here is the metaphor about  such freaks: as if they were being driven to death while they are looking., see, they are DEAD MEN WALKING

Their problem is, they underestimate how Allah is going to make them pay if He exists:

And the thunder declares His glory with His praise, and the angels too for awe of Him; and He sends the thunderbolts and smites with them whom He pleases, yet they dispute concerning Allah, and He is mighty in prowess.

[The Quran ; 13:13]

وَيُسَبِّحُ الرَّعْدُ بِحَمْدِهِ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةُ مِنْ خِيفَتِهِ وَيُرْسِلُ الصَّوَاعِقَ فَيُصِيبُ بِهَا مَن يَشَاء وَهُمْ يُجَادِلُونَ فِي اللّهِ وَهُوَ شَدِيدُ الْمِحَالِ (13)

-> See: yet they dispute concerning Allah, and He is mighty in prowess., the might in power will be deployed to make them pay, and again, if Allah exists, come on pals, itís 50% chance

Letís move on to the next verse, what you should notice on FFI web site and many site like it that the kafirs who dispute the signs of Allah use falsehood, ignorance and fabrications, please have a look at the kafirs replies to many of the Muslims on FFI, the majority of it if not all are nothing but Tom and Jerry crap and if one managed to use one cell of his/her brain, they will come up with nothing but a Barbie crap, they are very stupid indeed:

56: And We do not send messengers but as givers of good news and warning, and those who disbelieve make a false contention that they may render null thereby the truth, and they take My signs and that with which they are warned for a mockery.

[The Quran ; 18:56]

وَمَا نُرْسِلُ الْمُرْسَلِينَ إِلَّا مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ وَيُجَادِلُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوا بِهِ الْحَقَّ وَاتَّخَذُوا آيَاتِي وَمَا أُنذِرُوا هُزُوًا (56)

-> See what those type of kafirs who are driven to hell while they are looking do: and those who disbelieve make a false contention that they may render null thereby the truth, and they take My signs and that with which they are warned for a mockery., look how accurate the Quran is, this is amazing man, it tells us what those bunch of freaks on FFI do in very explicit way, iit fit them as a glove, again, they must  be GUILTY AS CHARGED if Allah exists.

Indeed many of the kafirs who dispute the signs of Allah are clear cut ignorant, despite the believers donít need the Quran to tell them this fact because it is clearly witnessed on many web sites like FFI, yet the Quran told us about it:

3: And among men there is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge and follows every rebellious Shaitan;

4: Against him it is written down that whoever takes him for a guardian, he shall lead him astray and conduct him to the torture of the burning fire.

[The Quran ; 22:3-4]

وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَيَتَّبِعُ كُلَّ شَيْطَانٍ مَّرِيدٍ (3)
كُتِبَ عَلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ مَن تَوَلَّاهُ فَأَنَّهُ يُضِلُّهُ وَيَهْدِيهِ إِلَى عَذَابِ السَّعِيرِ (4)

-> See: And among men there is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge, those freaks actions are nothing but obeying the Shaitans: and follows every rebellious Shaitan, this must indicates that those Kafiroon are not just Kafiroon, they are Kafiroon and Mushrikoon, and this is what the crime of shirk will lead to: Against him it is written down that whoever takes him for a guardian, he shall lead him astray and conduct him to the torture of the burning fire., I reckon if Allah exists, both if them (the kafir/mushrik and his/her guardian from the Shaitans) will be enemy to each other on the J.D, anyone wants to bet?

In addition that those freaks who dispute the signs of Allah are dumb ignorant bums, they donít have an illuminating book (metaphor) to help them dispute the signs of Allah, what they always come up with is the dark books of the hearsay crap of hadith:

8: And among men there is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge and without guidance and without an illuminating book,

9: Turning away haughtily that he may lead (others) astray from the way of Allah; for him is disgrace in this world, and on the day of resurrection We will make him taste the torture of burning:

10: This is due to what your two hands have sent before, and because Allah is not in the least unjust to the servants.

[The Quran ; 22:8-10]

وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلَا هُدًى وَلَا كِتَابٍ مُّنِيرٍ (8)
ثَانِيَ عِطْفِهِ لِيُضِلَّ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ لَهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا خِزْيٌ وَنُذِيقُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ عَذَابَ الْحَرِيقِ (9)
ذَلِكَ بِمَا قَدَّمَتْ يَدَاكَ وَأَنَّ اللَّهَ لَيْسَ بِظَلَّامٍ لِّلْعَبِيدِ (10)

-> See: And among men there is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge and without guidance and without an illuminating book,

-> Those freaks dispute the signs of Allah only to send other astray like them, for me it sounds like they are cowards to face the music alone, they want as much people to join them as they can: Turning away haughtily that he may lead (others) astray from the way of Allah, possibly they think this may make them strong in front of Allah if He exists, well think not freaks, this is what you will get if Allah exists: for him is disgrace in this world, and on the day of resurrection We will make him taste the punishment of burning, oh please do dare and cry like a coward if Allah exists, this is what you have earned fair and square if Allah exists: This is due to what your two hands have sent before, and because Allah is not in the least unjust to the servants., you canít deny that Allah told you in advance that this is what you are going to get, i.e. Allah is not going to be unjust with you, hahahahahaha

Now, sura 40 talks a lot about those freaks who dispute the signs of Allah, let me start with this:

4: None dispute concerning the signs of Allah but those who disbelieved, therefore let not their movement in the countries deceive you.

5: The people of Nuh and the parties after them rejected (prophets) before them, and every nation purposed against their messenger to destroy him, and they disputed by means of the falsehood that they might thereby render null the truth, therefore I destroyed them; how was then My retribution!

6: And thus did the word of your Lord prove true against those who disbelieved that they are the inmates of the fire.

[The Quran ; 40:4-6]

مَا يُجَادِلُ فِي آيَاتِ اللَّهِ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَلَا يَغْرُرْكَ تَقَلُّبُهُمْ فِي الْبِلَادِ (4)
كَذَّبَتْ قَبْلَهُمْ قَوْمُ نُوحٍ وَالْأَحْزَابُ مِن بَعْدِهِمْ وَهَمَّتْ كُلُّ أُمَّةٍ بِرَسُولِهِمْ لِيَأْخُذُوهُ وَجَادَلُوا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوا بِهِ الْحَقَّ فَأَخَذْتُهُمْ فَكَيْفَ كَانَ عِقَابِ (5)
وَكَذَلِكَ حَقَّتْ كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّهُمْ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ (6)

-> For the believers, they know that those who dispute the signs of Allah are nothing but disbelievers therefore they should not be deceived by their comfortable life in the countries: None dispute concerning the signs of Allah but those who disbelieved, therefore let not their movement in the countries deceive you.

-> Many like those freaks who dispute the signs of Allah passed before them, they all shared one common cause: they disputed by means of the falsehood that they might thereby render null the truth, and if Allah exists, they all going to share one common doom: therefore I destroyed them; how was then My retribution!

-> The retribution of Allah for such freaks must come to pass if Allah exists, simply they will be made the companions of the fire: And thus did the word of your Lord prove true against those who disbelieved that they are the inmates of the fire., what an achievement, clap clap clap clap

Those who dispute the signs of Allah are nothing but a bunch of haughty arrogant, their actions must be hated by Allah and those who believed:

Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without any power that He has given them; greatly hated is it by Allah and by-those who believed. Thus does Allah set a seal over the heart of every arrogant, haughty one.

[The Quran ; 40:35]

الَّذِينَ يُجَادِلُونَ فِي آيَاتِ اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ سُلْطَانٍ أَتَاهُمْ كَبُرَ مَقْتًا عِندَ اللَّهِ وَعِندَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كَذَلِكَ يَطْبَعُ اللَّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ قَلْبِ مُتَكَبِّرٍ جَبَّارٍ (35)

-> See: Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without any power that He has given them; greatly hated is it by Allah and by-those who believe, the bottom line however that they are nothing but a bunch of haughty arrogant: Thus does Allah set a seal over the heart of every arrogant, haughty one., this is because Allah hates the arrogant

Again, their arrogance is confirmed:

Surely (as for) those who dispute about the signs of Allah without any power that has come to them, there is naught in their breasts but arrogance which they shall never attain to; Therefore seek refuge in Allah, surely He is the all-Hearing, the all-Seeing.

[The Quran ; 40:56]

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُجَادِلُونَ فِي آيَاتِ اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ سُلْطَانٍ أَتَاهُمْ إِن فِي صُدُورِهِمْ إِلَّا كِبْرٌ مَّا هُم بِبَالِغِيهِ فَاسْتَعِذْ بِاللَّهِ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ (56)

-> See: Surely (as for) those who dispute about the signs of Allah without any power that has come to them, there is naught in their breasts but arrogance which they shall never attain to;, i.e. if Allah exists, their arrogance will take them no where, for the believers who hate their perverse actions, they can only seek refuge in  Allah from such freaks: Therefore seek refuge in Allah, surely He is the all-Hearing, the all-Seeing., indeed if Allah exists, He must be hearing and seeing their perverse actions. Letís just consider that this life is the evidence collection period against all of us.

Letís now see what those freaks will earn on the JD if Allah exists:

69: Have you not seen those who dispute with respect to the signs of Allah: how are they turned away?

70: Those who reject the Book and that with which We have sent Our Messenger; but they shall soon come to know,

71: When the fetters and the chains shall be on their necks; they shall be dragged

72: Into boiling water, then in the fire shall they be burned;

[The Quran ; 40:69-72]

أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ يُجَادِلُونَ فِي آيَاتِ اللَّهِ أَنَّى يُصْرَفُونَ (69)
الَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا بِالْكِتَابِ وَبِمَا أَرْسَلْنَا بِهِ رُسُلَنَا فَسَوْفَ يَعْلَمُونَ (70)
إِذِ الْأَغْلَالُ فِي أَعْنَاقِهِمْ وَالسَّلَاسِلُ يُسْحَبُونَ (71)
فِي الْحَمِيمِ ثُمَّ فِي النَّارِ يُسْجَرُونَ (72)

-> See: Have you not seen those who dispute with respect to the signs of Allah: how are they turned away?, indeed My Lord, I have seen such freaks on FFI web site, they gave a lie to the Quran: Those who reject the Book and that with which We have sent Our Messenger;, surely they must know if the 50% of Allah existence is true or false: but they shall soon come to know, it a matter of years for everyone and soon everyone must know, and when this happens, they should know that their showtime on the JD is going to be like this: When the fetters and the chains shall be on their necks; they shall be dragged, Into boiling water, then in the fire shall they be burned; , what a show itís going to be, let me tell you freaks, on earth water boils at 100C then turns to vapour, I can assure you though that with Allah, He can cast you into a boiling water that have a boiling temperature of 10000C before it turns to vapour, Itís a mighty showtime


Let me end it with this you bunch of freaks: If Allah exists then you should know well that you wonít be able to esacpe Him and you will be held accountable to evert ignorant dispute you spewed against His signs

And (that) those who dispute about Our signs may know; there is no place of refuge for them.

[The Quran ; 42:35]

وَيَعْلَمَ الَّذِينَ يُجَادِلُونَ فِي آيَاتِنَا مَا لَهُم مِّن مَّحِيصٍ (35)

-> See: And (that) those who dispute about Our signs may know; there is no place of refuge for them.

The message of the Quran has been delivers to all of you freaks who dispute the signs of Allah, now you need to pray to your own low desires (your god) that the chance of Allah existence is not 50%

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

100% Allah does not exist!
Good sign that you started doubting 50%!
Circular logic cannot lead you to relaity!
The one you make is a circular logic 'petitio principii'!- it is logically fallacious- though appeals to fear!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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100% Allah does not exist!
Good sign that you started doubting 50%!
Circular logic cannot lead you to relaity!
The one you make is a circular logic 'petitio principii'!- it is logically fallacious- though appeals to fear!



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: For those who dispute the signs of Allah Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Salam all

Today I have a very interesting subject for you, we all know that the Kafirs believe that the chance of Allah existence is 0% , on the other hand the believers believe that the chance of Allah existence is 100%

Both (the believers and the kafirs) can never be right at the same time, therefore we need to be politically correct to satisfy both, the logical chance of Allah existence without being bias to any of the two groups MUST be 50%, that is why when I dialogue with the ignorant kafirs I always try to be politically correct and tell them ďIf Allah existsĒ, this is because Iím using the logical chance of Allah existence which has to be 50%

i.e.

50% that Allah exists

and

50% that Allah does not exist

So far your assumptions are leading to a Strawman. Here is a "Nokta" for you that sounds to me like what you are doing:

"Some guy was selling sandwiches for a dollar. 50% Horse and 50% Rabbit. After a while people started asking how he can remain in business. Horse meat is cheap, but Rabbit is relatively very expensive. He said eay, 50/50, for every One horse I put in, I put One rabbit."

Kaffir do not believe that Allah's chance for existence is 0%. In fact, most Kaffir believe in god. They just do not think a god or an ilah will act and present himself like the islamic deity.

So First, fix the flaw in the pascal wager you presented first and then we can talk.

Second, a god placing a veil on a hear is *not* a sign, it is a deception.

So I think you are unto something but fix your logic first.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister baal

so your reply is nothing but a Nukta

hahahaha

I'm not into anything but exposing the kafirs and the Mushrikoon

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Ahmed

Your logic is flawed, and your conclusion aswell. But anyways if we was to follow your logic then we could say that there's 50 % that there's a "divine territory" and 50 % that there's not. Now concerning your "allah" he would have to compete with all the ther notions of divinity within the 50 %.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fault line is right at the base !

"Islam" is nothing but a set of rough rules to get a grip on the wild tribes of this arabian desert... and maybe it was good for that, at that time, back then !

I doubt that mohammad was a "prophet" at all, what defines a prophet ?
Did he prophecize something ?

On the contrary - we know from several historical sources that being a "prophet" was quite an inflationary profession, thousands of them roamed around, back then, and each of them claimed to be in possession of the absolute truth - thats how prophets made money...

"Allah" is nonexistent !

And ALL whats in this socalled "holy book" is completely meaningless !

Unless you are a "believer" - meaning, you blindly believe in these assumptions and claims !

Its muslims who CLAIM that there is this "god" called "allah"...

Fine - bring up proof !

The "quran" is no proof at all !

Its not my job to disprove something that is an illusion in the first place !

YOU have to bring up proof and evidence !

Of course this principle is valid for all religions...

But then its YOU here, at this moment, again coming up with the same baseless CLAIMs, but no more, so far !

I doubt your BASE !

How you gonna elevate your SOURCE, without getting into further claims... ?

Its fun to talk about the details in the quranic / islamic logic, in their texts and rules, about errors and inconsistencies, mistakes and faults...

But on a serious level - meaning I do not take these "games" about details seriously - †I would ask you exactly these questions - how are you going to prove your points and support your stance ?

As actually you have nothing on your side, you have to start from scratch here, from the base of bases - if there is no "god", no "allah", it makes no sense to talk about fictional rules and regulations...

Besides for fun reasons only, playingly, under the pretext of - "IF" we take your god for granted, why does he say so and so...

HOW are you going to convince a hard-core and proud kuffar like me, that there is a "god" and his name is "allah", he is the only one, and the "quran" is his written words...

I'm really curious now ! Cool

Until you are able to bring up proof and evidence - the chance of 50:50 is completely WRONG !

0 proof and evidence can never become 50% !

but instead...

Nothing from nothing leaves nothing !

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hello Ahmed

Your logic is flawed, and your conclusion aswell. But anyways if we was to follow your logic then we could say that there's 50 % that there's a "divine territory" and 50 % that there's not. Now concerning your "allah" he would have to compete with all the ther notions of divinity within the 50 %.

Cheers

PS. Your insults is as usual noted.


Hello pal

I don't insult others, i only tell them their own reality

now for your †tom and jerry refute, well Allah is Yahweh who is the same God of the Jews and the Christians, also according to the Veda, Allah is the same God of the hindus

keep trying harder to dispute the signs of Allah, it will take you no where but DEAD MAN WALKING
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey all, look at the stupid freaks whose refutes are nothing but, no the existance of Allah is not 50%, hahahahahaha

let me lower it down to 1% you freaks, now tell me you enemy of Allah:

what are you going to do if the 1% will be true?

Let me guess, you are going to †just cry day and night


for those manipulated and biased freaks who consider the existance of Allah is 0%,  why bother discussing matters about Him you freaks

hahahahaha
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
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100% Allah does not exist!
Good sign that you started doubting 50%!
Circular logic cannot lead you to relaity!
The one you make is a circular logic 'petitio principii'!- it is logically fallacious- though appeals to fear!



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