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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:33 am    Post subject: Statistical Wonders of Koran  Reply with quote

To the resident muslim engineers and computer scientists.

Here are some stats collected on the koran.

It is very interesting how quickly the halo of the sanctity of the koran crumbles when facing the power of new word search tools.

A researcher that got everything in islam concerning women and then lumped them as Superior Women, Equal women and inferior women.
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Artic...CD764-5177-4D05-9186-4B9EFE442849

In 4% of the cases, women were superior, in 91% of the cases they were inferior and in 5% they were equal. But there is a big catch. The only way that women are equal is after death on Judgment day, when men and women will be judged on how well they followed the Koran and the Sunna. And guess what? The only way to follow the Koran and the Sunna is to obey men. Equality means obeying men.

Woman are superior by being a mother, who must obey her husband. So the perfect woman on Judgment day will be a mother, who obeyed all the men in her life. So really, the women are subordinate to men in 100% of all of the Koran, Hadith and the Sira.





Here is another part of the research, dealing with jihad:
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For an example of using statistics, look at the question: what is the real jihad, the jihad of inner, spiritual struggle or the jihad of war? Let’s turn to Bukhari (the Hadith) for the answer, as he repeatedly speaks of jihad. In Bukhari 97% of the jihad references are about war and 3% are about the inner struggle. So the statistical answer is that jihad is 97% war and 3% inner struggle. Is jihad war? Yes—97%. Is jihad inner struggle? Yes—3%. So if you are writing an article, you can make a case for either. But in truth, almost every argument about Islam can be answered by: all of the above. Both sides of the duality are right.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is another one on political islam:
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http://www.politicalislam.com/dualityAndPoliticalIslam


The second grand division of Islamic doctrine is into religious Islam and political Islam. It is surprising how much of the doctrine is political. Approximately 67% of the Meccan Koran and 51% of the Medinan Koran is political. About 75% of the Sira is about what was done to the kafir. Roughly 20% of the Hadith is about jihad, a political act.

Even the concept of Hell is political, not religious. There are 146 parts of the Koran that refer to Hell. Only 4% of the people in Islamic Hell are there for moral reasons, such as murder, theft or greed. In 96% of the cases the person is in Hell because they did not agree with Mohammed. This is a political charge. In short, Islamic Hell is primarily a political prison. In summary, Islam is an extremely political doctrine. It has to be. Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and garnered 150 followers. Then in Medina, he turned to politics and jihad and became the first ruler of all Arabia. When he died, he did not have a single enemy left to speak or act against him, a very political result.

The Koran says in 14 verses that a Muslim is not and cannot be the friend of the kafir. This is pure dualism. The dualism of the Koran has no universal statements about humanity. The entire world is divided between Islam and the kafirs.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all this technology in our homes...WHY are there not muslims leaving Islam in droves??
Or are they ? I guess its hard to tell, most probably wont admit they have become non muslims because of a threat of death over them.

I have been looking into Islam and it doesnt seem very peaceful as a religion to me.



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Statistical Wonders of Koran Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
To the resident muslim engineers and computer scientists.


I, the resident Muslim engineer will be very busy today. I will try to write something on this, later.

The resident Muslim computer scientist is away in Egypt. lol!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope he takes the time to catch some sleep. Now that he is Egypt, they might get on his case and wake him up at 3-4am to pray Smile

But I am curious how are you going to respond to this. What is there to respond to, this is what the book is about. How can you make Muhammad say something he did not want to say? At best, you might make it the book more platable. good luck on that of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This portion of the 2nd article intrigued me in particular:

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The kafir can be treated in one of two ways. They can be treated well or they can be robbed, killed, or cheated if it advances Islam. On more than one occasion Mohammed said to deceive the kafir. Jihad as a political method killed, robbed and enslaved the kafirs. This is a dualistic ethical system. Islamic dualism is hidden by religion. The "good" verses of the Meccan Koran cover the verses of jihad in the Medinan Koran. Thus religious Islam shields political Islam from examination.


It put me in mind of Richard Dawkins’ and Sam Harris’ assertions that ‘moderate’ religion simply provides a fertile and shielded ground for extreme sects and individuals to prosper.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
This portion of the 2nd article intrigued me in particular:

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The kafir can be treated in one of two ways. They can be treated well or they can be robbed, killed, or cheated if it advances Islam. On more than one occasion Mohammed said to deceive the kafir. Jihad as a political method killed, robbed and enslaved the kafirs. This is a dualistic ethical system. Islamic dualism is hidden by religion. The "good" verses of the Meccan Koran cover the verses of jihad in the Medinan Koran. Thus religious Islam shields political Islam from examination.


It put me in mind of Richard Dawkins’ and Sam Harris’ assertions that ‘moderate’ religion simply provides a fertile and shielded ground for extreme sects and individuals to prosper.

This editorial introduced to me the word "Duality" in islam. It is a notion I always understood but could never name or explain in such a short word.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not surprised that the kafirs resort to bukhari to prove their case, however bukhari is dismissed, now if the kafirs want me to reply to their rants then they have to ONLY use the Quran

how many bloody times I have to say it?

here it is one more time:

O you who disbelieved! Shove bukhari up your arse
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
I'm not surprised that the kafirs resort to bukhari to prove their case, however bukhari is dismissed, now if the kafirs want me to reply to their rants then they have to ONLY use the Quran

how many bloody times I have to say it?

here it is one more time:

O you who disbelieved! Shove bukhari up your arse


The truth is that we, the disbelievers, couldn't care less about Bukhari. The Qur'an, like all holy books, is the best evidence against itself. I mean, here we are in the 21st century, and people are still believing in stories from books thousands of years old, and in a God/Allah that has not once ever been proven to exist. Not one shred of evidence has ever been put forth to prove the existence of any god.

Yet, it is the weak who are manipulated by the stories in these old books. They do not possess the courage to question the very existence of such a god, and if such a god actually existed, then for a certainty he would not blame anyone for wanting confirmation of his existence.

I mean what I kind of god can expect people to follow him when he doesn't even prove he exists? Just because Muhammad wrote a poetry book and called it the Quran hardly shows any evidence of a god. All it shows is that Muhammad liked to write poetry, and nothing more.

So why govern your life upon a poetry book? You have one life to live, so why should you live it in fear of a god who can't even prove his existence? Any kind of god who damns people to hell for not believing in him when he refuses to even provide one shred of evidence of his existence is not worth worshiping. He is not worthy of your love, respect, worship, or abeyances.

You cannot see this god, cannot hear this god; cannot touch, smell nor taste this god, and somehow this god thinks we should believe he exists? How the hell does that work?

It doesn't work. The god concept is a total failure, and anyone who believes in this Abrahamic god is a fool for wasting his life and hindering the lives of others with this crazy religious philosophy.

You have one life to live! GO LIVE IT!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't have said it any better... Smile


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