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Does God exist?
Yes
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No
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: The Silence of God  Reply with quote

There's a Jewish perspective on the "Silence of God" you can research on the internet.  There should be many other versions of it, as well.  That should tie into the grand topic.  Of course, other holy books have their own answers.  I only understand the Biblical ones.

Basically, the Biblical "Silence of God" is two-fold:  a) God will not coerce you to love Him, so stands off, having made the universe to reflect His Nature so you can of your own free will come to ask, "Does God Exist", and then "Which God are you?"  Many people have gone through those steps, often at an early age.  I remember thinking both questions, when I was 13 years old, staring up at the ceiling from my bed.  Everyone can tell you his own story.

But b), God will not speak to those who do not want Him, except in terms of judgement.  Idea is that the negativity is so great, judgement is the only 'reply' that will get through.  Hence you have sweeping policy chapters on this like Leviticus 26, Deuteronomy 28, and of course the famous book of Revelation, Chapters 6-19.

There's also c), as you'll see All-Brains remind me below, that "God is Silent" because He doesn't exist!

Again, I don't know what non-Bible books say on this topic.  But hey:  debate the stuff above, or whatever else comes to mind!  Bring in non-Bible ideas of the "Silence of God", too!  Let the debate, begin!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: The Silence of God Reply with quote

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There's a Jewish perspective on the "Silence of God" you can research on the internet. There should be many other versions of it, as well. That should tie into the grand topic. Of course, other holy books have their own answers. I only understand the Biblical ones.

Basically, the Biblical "Silence of God" is two-fold: a) God will not coerce you to love Him, so stands off, having made the universe to reflect His Nature so you can of your own free will come to ask, "Does God Exist", and then "Which God are you?" Many people have gone through those steps, often at an early age. I remember thinking both questions, when I was 13 years old, staring up at the ceiling from my bed. Everyone can tell you his own story.

But b), God will not speak to those who do not want Him, except in terms of judgement. Idea is that the negativity is so great, judgement is the only 'reply' that will get through. Hence you have sweeping policy chapters on this like Leviticus 26, Deuteronomy 28, and of course the famous book of Revelation, Chapters 6-19.

Again, I don't know what non-Bible books say on this topic. But hey: debate the stuff above, or whatever else comes to mind! Bring in non-Bible ideas of the "Silence of God", too! Let the debate, begin!


Or a simple c) God is silent, because he does not exist!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL yes, All-Brains, I forgot that! I'll amend it in the topic, prontito!

Dicho y hecho! Finis! I added a poll, too. Hope you like it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also a fourth option, God does exsist, but just not in the ways that have always been described. Some profound entity who sits on a throne with a set of laws and rituals he likes watching us live by.
What if god is more of an energy, more like a thought, a way of feeling that connects humans to each other and to this earth? Would that make god inexistant if the religious texts are wrong?
I have an easier time believing the Bibles are the "inspired" words of God, than I do that the koran is the actual words of god. It's easier to comprehend that god inspires humans, than to actually dictate.
I hope all that made sense, it's early here on a holiday morning and I am barely into my first cup of coffee. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, katlike, welcome to the forum!

Hmmm. God as energy or thought binding us together would be animistic, not God as a person..? If not a person, would "God" be the right descriptive term?

Yeah, inspired is better than dictated. "Inspired" means you had the free will to reprocess the information but it still came out as "God" (however defined) intended it. "Dictated" means you're a pet doing pet tricks.

Happy Thanksgiving morning to you!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If not a person, would "God" be the right descriptive term?


That is a question that is open for discussion, I am wondering why the religions get the go ahead to describe and define God for you and me.
Thanks for the warm welcome, I am looking forward to some interesting discussions.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, one needn't wait for the experts, lol. I don't know if I'll live that long Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

katlike wrote:
There is also a fourth option, God does exsist, but just not in the ways that have always been described. Some profound entity who sits on a throne with a set of laws and rituals he likes watching us live by.
What if god is more of an energy, more like a thought, a way of feeling that connects humans to each other and to this earth? Would that make god inexistant if the religious texts are wrong?
I have an easier time believing the Bibles are the "inspired" words of God, than I do that the koran is the actual words of god. It's easier to comprehend that god inspires humans, than to actually dictate.
I hope all that made sense, it's early here on a holiday morning and I am barely into my first cup of coffee. Laughing

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A definite possibility. May be we have been looking for God in the wrong places?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or a simple c) God is silent, because he does not exist!


I disaagree and view this, a bit simplistic.

Silence is not a condition of non existence, and neither is evil.

I haven;t heard the guy who buily my computer speak, but he definitely does exist!

Stalin was evil, but he definitely did exist!

I hope you fathom the point.

Ameen:)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ameen wrote:
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Or a simple c) God is silent, because he does not exist!


I disaagree and view this, a bit simplistic.

Silence is not a condition of non existence, and neither is evil.

I haven;t heard the guy who buily my computer speak, but he definitely does exist!

Stalin was evil, but he definitely did exist!

I hope you fathom the point.

Ameen:)


Hello Ameen

Well it's still a reasonable answer. Brainout put up a case and some answers to the case. All_Brain just added a very simple check-box to the chart.

Cheers and peace


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