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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: The amazing Quran  Reply with quote

Peace All,

The Sunni and Shia hadith advocates really missed the plot, they are trying to force all the hadith posted in the two Sahih as Sharia laws that has to be believed in and implemented by all Muslims otherwise they will be labelled kafiroon, the problem for them though that Allah never told us as such, He never even stressed any importance to the prophet hadith, in fact the prophet hadith was never mentioned in the Quran, how come then it is sharia laws?, unless we commit shirk and find other laws in addition to the Quran then we bundleled together as one Sharia from God and his partners Naooz Bellah

What the Quran said though is straightforward and clear, our only source of sharia is the Quran, the prophet hadith should only be considered mere teachings from a great man, it is definitely the worst sin to consider the human words equivalent to the God's words and that is exactly what the majority of the Sunni and Shai are doing for many many years

Let's see what Allah said about His Quran, we will see clearly there is nothing like Allah's words, we will also see that the Quran was designed to be easy for remembrance, Allah is responsible for collecting it, guarding it and explaining it, and because it was planned to be the last warning before the Judgment Day, Allah has included all types or parables (that will help us in this tough test) in it :

And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

[The Quran , 54: 17 ; 22 ; 32 ; 40 ]

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ (17)

-> In sura no. 17 the Quran repeated this sentence 4 times in verses 17,22,32,40, indeed Allah has made the Quran easy to remember :And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to remember, then He is reminding us :then is there any that will receive admonition?, obviously four times this verse was mentioned in the same sura highlights the importance of this piece of information information.


Verily, We have made this (Qur'an) easy, in thy tongue, in order that they may give heed.

[The Quran , 44:58]

فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرْنَاهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ (58)

-> Another verse that confirms Allah has made the Quran easy on Mohammad (pbuh) tongue, despite Mohammad (pbuh) lacked the knowledge of reading and writing:Verily, We have made this (Qur'an) easy, in thy tongue, so the prophet will deliver the Quran to :, in order that they may give heed., so we can understand that the Quran was the only source used by the prophet to deliver Allah message.


So have We made the (Qur'an) easy in thine own tongue, that with it thou mayest give Glad Tidings to the righteous, and warnings to people given to contention.

[The Quran , 19:97]

فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرْنَاهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لِتُبَشِّرَ بِهِ الْمُتَّقِينَ وَتُنذِرَ بِهِ قَوْمًا لُّدًّا (97)

-> Same info in this verse regarding the prophet memorising and understanding the Quran: So have We made the (Qur'an) easy in thine own tongue, then the prophet will use the Quran to :that with it thou mayest give Glad Tidings to the righteous, and warnings to people given to contention.,


For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe.

[The Quran , 7:52]

وَلَقَدْ جِئْنَاهُم بِكِتَابٍ فَصَّلْنَاهُ عَلَى عِلْمٍ هُدًى وَرَحْمَةً لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ (52)

-> In this verse it is clear that Allah sent us the Quran, as well Allah explained it in details because it is the guidance and mercy to all believers:For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe., clear as light that Allah explained His book within itself , i.e. the Quran explains itself. As well, many other verses were explained by the prophet as inspired by Allah. Other devote Muslims can also discover the meanings with the help of Allah.


Then what HADITH, after the Quran, will they believe in?

[The Quran , 77:50]

فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَهُ يُؤْمِنُونَ (50)

-> This is an important verse, as it shows us that Allah is asking what other HADITH than the Quran will make people believe?, sure NONE, including the hadith of the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and the hadith Qudsi as well, the Arabic word used to describe the Quran was HADITHthe same word we use for the prophet sayings, because the Arabic word HADITHmeans TALKor SPEECH, so we have 2 different Hadiths:

A) Hadith by Allah The Quran
B) Hadith by Mohammad The Prophet (pbuh) Sayings

It is very easy to find the major differences between them:

A) is by Allah The Creator, reserved by Allah The Authorand never been changed.
B) is by Mohammad (pbuh) A Human, never been reserved accurately, and many fabricated ones by the enemy of Islam have been invented.

Does anyone fail to recognise which hadith of the above is Holy and which is not?


Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,-

[The Quran , 2:159]

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْتُمُونَ مَا أَنزَلْنَا مِنَ الْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالْهُدَى مِن بَعْدِ مَا بَيَّنَّاهُ لِلنَّاسِ فِي الْكِتَابِ أُولَئِكَ يَلعَنُهُمُ اللّهُ وَيَلْعَنُهُمُ اللَّاعِنُونَ (159)

-> In here we can see, Allah is warning the people who conceal hidethe guidance after He made this guidance clear in the Quran:Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,and the punishment is :on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,, it is clear that Allah is telling us tat all the Guidance is made clear in the Quran. after We have made it clear for the people in the Book


And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy:

[The Quran , 6:155]

وَهَذَا كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ مُبَارَكٌ فَاتَّبِعُوهُ وَاتَّقُواْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ (155)

-> Allah is telling us in this verse that the Quran is a blessing and WE MUST FOLLOW IT:And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, and for the people who will follow it: that ye may receive mercy:, Allah never told us to follow the hadith of Mohammad, because the ahdith of Mohammad is nothing but mere teachings from a great man.


(2)A Book revealed unto thee,- So let thy heart be oppressed no more by any difficulty on that account,- that with it thou mightest warn (the erring) and teach the Believers).

(3)Follow (O men!) the revelation given unto you from your Lord, and follow not, as protectors, other than Him. Little it is ye remember of admonition.

[The Quran , 7:2-3]

كِتَابٌ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ فَلاَ يَكُن فِي صَدْرِكَ حَرَجٌ مِّنْهُ لِتُنذِرَ بِهِ وَذِكْرَى لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ (2)
اتَّبِعُواْ مَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُم مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعُواْ مِن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاء قَلِيلاً مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ (3)

-> In these 2 verses we have a clear message from Allah that He sent the Quran and the prophet should not be hesitant to warn the people using it TO WARN AND TEACH THE BELIEVERS:Book revealed unto thee,- So let thy heart be oppressed no more by any difficulty on that account,- that with it thou mightest warn (the erring) and teach the Believers).. This is very important note, because the Quran is what the prophet have used to teach and warn THE BELIVERS , then Allah is telling us to follow the Quran and NEVER TAKE ANY ONE WHATSOEVERto follow other than Allah:Follow (O men!) the revelation given unto you from your Lord, and follow not, as protectors, other than Him. however most humans:Little it is ye remember of admonition., a very strong message to use the Quran as the major source of Sharia, some may think that 7:3 conflicts with all the other verses where Allah told us to follow His prophet, while in here it says only to follow Allah, well, there is no conflict whatsoever becase the prophet delivered what Allah gave him to deliver, the prophet didn't invent anything other than what he was ordered by Allah to invent like how to perform Salat, i.e. all the prophet actions should be qualified by the Quran, therefore following the prophet indeed means following Allah alone, but ONLY if we follow what is qualified by the Quran, in this case we will have a strong argument in our defence if we found ourselves liable of committing shirk (The unforgivable sin)


A. L. R. (This is) a Book, with verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning), further explained in detail,- from One Who is Wise and Well-acquainted (with all things):

[The Quran , 11:1]

الَر كِتَابٌ أُحْكِمَتْ آيَاتُهُ ثُمَّ فُصِّلَتْ مِن لَّدُنْ حَكِيمٍ خَبِيرٍ (1)

-> We have seen how Allah stressed in a couple of verses that the Quran is the major source of belief and guidance, we have also read that Allah made it easy for remembrance as well He explained it within itself, in this verse we read that Allah is saying: (This is) a Book, with verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning), further explained in detail,- from One Who is Wise and Well-acquainted (with all things):, ie, the Quran has verses basic or fundamental established meaning, yet Allah further explained it in details, well if you read the Quran a lot you will see the miracle in how the verses relate to each other and NEVER conflict despite the additional info they add to each other to bring a complete story, many things are repeated numerous times using different words with the same exact meanings.


A. L. R. These are the verses of wise Revelation,

[The Quran , 15:1]

الر تِلْكَ آيَاتُ الْكِتَابِ الْحَكِيمِ (1)

-> A short verse to tell us that Quran is obvious to recognise:These are the verses of wise Revelation,, almost all translators translated this verse wrong, they claim it means the Quran makes things clear., however Al Kitab Al Hakimdoes not mean that indeed, it only means that the Quran is obvious to recognise that it is from Allah, but this will be another comment


Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the obvious Book

[The Quran , 12:1]

الر تِلْكَ آيَاتُ الْكِتَابِ الْمُبِينِ (1)

-> Same is confirmed here, These are the verses of the obvious Book, again many translators translated this verse wrong, they think Al Kitab Al Mubinmeans the book that makes things manifest, but it actually means it is obvious that the book is from our God, this will be explained in details in another comment


Alif Lam Ra. (This is) a Book which We have revealed to you that you may bring forth men, by their Lord's permission from utter darkness into light-- to the way of the Mighty, the Praised One,

[The Quran , 14:1]

الَر كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ إِلَيْكَ لِتُخْرِجَ النَّاسَ مِنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِمْ إِلَى صِرَاطِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَمِيدِ (1)

-> This verse also shows us the objective of the Quran as the main tool for the prophet to bring the people out of the darkness to the light(This is) a Book which We have revealed to you that you may bring forth men, by their Lord's permission from utter darkness into light, and what is the light? It is: to the way of the Mighty, the Praised One, ie the Quran is the main and most important source to know the way to Allah the Praised One.


And We sent down the Book to thee for the express purpose, that thou shouldst make clear to them those things in which they differ, and that it should be a guide and a mercy to those who believe.

[The Quran , 16:64]

وَمَا أَنزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ إِلاَّ لِتُبَيِّنَ لَهُمُ الَّذِي اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ وَهُدًى وَرَحْمَةً لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ (64)

-> The verse tells us that the Quran was revealed so people can resolve things in which they differ as Mohammad should have been explaining it to them :And We sent down the Book to thee for the express purpose, that thou shouldst make clear to them those things in which they differ,, as well its purpose :and that it should be a guide and a mercy to those who believe., another strong message that highlights the importance of the Quran by Allah, it should be noted that the prophet used the Quran to explain to the people the things in which they have differed, ie. all the hadith of the prophet MUST BE QUALIFIED BY THE QURAN BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY TOOL HE WAS USING ACCORDING TO 16:64, see the Quran qualifies the hadith NOT the other way around


We have revealed for you (O men!) a book in which is a Message for you: will ye not then understand?

[The Quran , 21:10]

لَقَدْ أَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكُمْ كِتَابًا فِيهِ ذِكْرُكُمْ أَفَلَا تَعْقِلُونَ (10)

-> A straight forward verse :We have revealed for you (O men!) a book in which is a Message for you, but look how the verse is ending with wonder: : will ye not then understand?, it is like come on, please understand and start pondering upon the Quran.


Surely they who recite the Book of Allah and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them secretly and openly, hope for a gain which will not perish.

[The Quran , 35:29]

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَتْلُونَ كِتَابَ اللَّهِ وَأَقَامُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَأَنفَقُوا مِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ سِرًّا وَعَلَانِيَةً يَرْجُونَ تِجَارَةً لَّن تَبُورَ (29)

-> We can see here that Allah is describing the belief in Him as we are tradesman who want to trade and end up with profit, so those tradesmen need to do the following to really profit: NUMBER 1: recite the Book of Allah , NUMBER 2 :keep up prayer NUMBER 3: spend out of what We have given them secretly and openly ie, giving money to the poor, and this tradesmen hoping: hope for a gain which will not perish., but can you see that reading the Quran was NUMBER 1?, also where the hadith of the prophet in there if it was divine as the Sunni and Shia are lying to us?


Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by Allah's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

[The Quran , 35:32]

ثُمَّ أَوْرَثْنَا الْكِتَابَ الَّذِينَ اصْطَفَيْنَا مِنْ عِبَادِنَا فَمِنْهُمْ ظَالِمٌ لِّنَفْسِهِ وَمِنْهُم مُّقْتَصِدٌ وَمِنْهُمْ سَابِقٌ بِالْخَيْرَاتِ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ذَلِكَ هُوَ الْفَضْلُ الْكَبِيرُ (32)

-> This verse is very important, it divides the believers into 3 groups in the judgment day, but I will not discuss this in detail for now, however I would love to discuss this verse in great details later inshaallah in another comment, the main important point I want to mention here is, the people who never saw the prophet (pbuh), ONLY INHERTITED the Quran : Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen, i.e. we only have this evidence in our hand


I swear By the obvious Book

[The Quran , 44:2]

وَالْكِتَابِ الْمُبِينِ (2)

-> A small verse that Allah is swearing with the obvious Quran: I swear By the obvious Book, i.e. it is obvious that it is from Allah, hence we can trust it blindly.


Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong)

[The Quran , 2:185]

شَهْرُ رَمَضَانَ الَّذِيَ أُنزِلَ فِيهِ الْقُرْآنُ هُدًى لِّلنَّاسِ وَبَيِّنَاتٍ مِّنَ الْهُدَى وَالْفُرْقَانِ ..... (185)

-> In this verse a popular one in the Quran, Allah is telling us that He revealed the Quran in the month of Ramadan :Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an,, and why Allah sent the Quran down: as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong), very clear verse about the importance of the Quran. I'd like to add that on the aloners sect web site they falsely claim that Shahrmeans Moonor Full Moon, something on that weird line, this will be another comment on FI to expose their ignorance inshaallah, please stay tuned for that one


Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

[The Quran , 4:82]

أَفَلاَ يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ غَيْرِ اللّهِ لَوَجَدُواْ فِيهِ اخْتِلاَفًا كَثِيرًا (82)

-> This is the verse that the enemy of Islam are obsessed with, I brought it here, because it tells us a very important note, it tells us, if this Quran was made by any other source, we would have find it full of corruptions or discrepancies, Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy., this really means that any other book or hadith may be corrupt or full of discrepancies if Allah was not the Author of it. in fact many of the hadith narrated by many people and relating to the prophet are corrupted and full of discrepancies.


When the Qur'an is read, listen to it with attention, and hold your peace: that ye may receive Mercy.

[The Quran , 7:204]

وَإِذَا قُرِىءَ الْقُرْآنُ فَاسْتَمِعُواْ لَهُ وَأَنصِتُواْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ (204)

-> In this verse Allah is advising us, when the Quran is read we should listen WITH ATTENTION as well hold our peace, When the Qur'an is read, listen to it with attention, and hold your peace:, why?, because :that ye may receive Mercy., where is the hadith of the prophet in here?


We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated (verses) and the great Qur'an.

[The Quran , 15:87]

وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَاكَ سَبْعًا مِّنَ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنَ الْعَظِيمَ (87)

-> In this small verse Allah is telling prophet Mohammed (pbuh) that He has given him THE GREAT QURAN :We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated (verses) and the great Qur'an., why it is great? Because it is the only guidance that we were asked to follow. Following what was mentioned in the Quran but was never explained like Salat must be referred to the prophet explanation as the Quran told us.


Verily this Qur'an doth guide to that which is most right (or stable), and giveth the Glad Tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward;

[The Quran , 17:9]

إِنَّ هَذَا الْقُرْآنَ يِهْدِي لِلَّتِي هِيَ أَقْوَمُ وَيُبَشِّرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ الَّذِينَ يَعْمَلُونَ الصَّالِحَاتِ أَنَّ لَهُمْ أَجْرًا كَبِيرًا (9)

-> Here, we see that knowing the Quran very well will lead to :Verily this Qur'an doth guide to that which is most right (or stable) and giveth the Glad Tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, and if we comply :that they shall have a magnificent reward;


We have explained (things) in various (ways) in this Qur'an, in order that they may receive admonition, but it only increases their flight (from the Truth)!

[The Quran , 17:41]

وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِي هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ لِيَذَّكَّرُواْ وَمَا يَزِيدُهُمْ إِلاَّ نُفُورًا (41)

-> This verse confirms again that Allah :We have explained (things) in various (ways) in this Qur'an, in order that they may receive admonition,, however the wicked humans will :but it only increases their flight (from the Truth)!.


And We put coverings over their hearts (and minds) lest they should understand the Qur'an, and deafness into their ears: when thou dost commemorate thy Lord and Him alone in the Qur'an, they turn on their backs, fleeing (from the Truth).

[The Quran , 17:46]

وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِي آذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًا وَإِذَا ذَكَرْتَ رَبَّكَ فِي الْقُرْآنِ وَحْدَهُ وَلَّوْاْ عَلَى أَدْبَارِهِمْ نُفُورًا (46)

-> And for the wicked , deaf and blind, this is why they will never understand the Quran and they will keep detesting it until they die then they will have the big surprise, there will be no return, they have to take what they earned after rejecting the warning and be patient with the punishment if they can, let's see why they will never understand it:And We put coverings over their hearts (and minds) lest they should understand the Qur'an, and deafness into their ears, and these wicked people when they hear the name of Allah mentioned alone in his book: when thou dost commemorate thy Lord and Him alone in the Qur'an, they turn on their backs, fleeing (from the Truth)., why Allah said His name alone in the Quran?, he never said His name and His prophet name as He many times said, Obey Allah and His Prophet, this is a verse that we need to discuss in details inshaallah


And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude!

[The Quran , 17:89]

وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ فَأَبَى أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ إِلاَّ كُفُورًا (89)

-> In here we read new information about the Quran, that Allah explained every kind of similitude in our life needed to prosper in this test:And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude:, but the dumb, deaf and blind still :yet the greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude!, the verse clearly says that the majority of people will reject the Quran,we can see this clearly, can't we?


We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious.

[The Quran , 18:54]

وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِي هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ لِلنَّاسِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ وَكَانَ الْإِنسَانُ أَكْثَرَ شَيْءٍ جَدَلًا (54)

-> The fact mentioned in 17:89 was confirmed again in here: We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude, but again : but man is, in most things, contentious., well, I have seen many of these men on the Internet., it should be noted that Allah never mentioned the hadith of the prophet in these two verses as a source to find any explanation we need, He only mentioned His Quran.


Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."

[The Quran , 25:30]

وَقَالَ الرَّسُولُ يَا رَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِي اتَّخَذُوا هَذَا الْقُرْآنَ مَهْجُورًا (30)

-> This is a very good verse, Allah is telling us that the prophet on the judgment day will tell Allah that the BELIEVERS The Prophet followershas ignored the Quran:, Then the Messenger will say: O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense., what a strong message from the prophet regarding the Quran this was.


We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.

[The Quran , 17:82]

وَنُنَزِّلُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ مَا هُوَ شِفَاء وَرَحْمَةٌ لِّلْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَلاَ يَزِيدُ الظَّالِمِينَ إَلاَّ خَسَارًا (82)

-> The verse states that the Quran will heal the true believes in it We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe but for the wicked to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss., what a big difference that is.


And to recite the Qur'an: and if any accept guidance, they do it for the good of their own souls, and if any stray, say: "I am only a Warner"

[The Quran , 27:92]

وَأَنْ أَتْلُوَ الْقُرْآنَ فَمَنِ اهْتَدَى فَإِنَّمَا يَهْتَدِي لِنَفْسِهِ وَمَن ضَلَّ فَقُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا مِنَ الْمُنذِرِينَ (92)

-> Allah is telling Mohammad (pbuh) here to use the Quran to guide the people and whoever will believe in it and if they believe they they will do it for their own good: And to recite the Qur'an: and if any accept guidance, they do it for the good of their own souls, but if we do not listen then all the prophet has to say that he is only a warner: and if any stray, say: I am only a Warner, NO COMPULSIONS IN ISLAM.


verily We have propounded for men, in this Qur'an every kind of Parable: But if thou bring to them any Sign, the Unbelievers are sure to say, "Ye do nothing but talk vanities."

[The Quran , 30:58]

وَلَقَدْ ضَرَبْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ وَلَئِن جِئْتَهُم بِآيَةٍ لَيَقُولَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا مُبْطِلُونَ (58)

-> This is a very good verse, because it is a similitude to something we see a lot online. Every time I show the Quran detesters a miracle in it, they say I'm talking rubbish, let's see this fact in the verse that it started with the following: we will find every kind of Parable in the Quran: verily We have propounded for men, in this Qur'an every kind of Parable: But if thou bring to them any Sign, the Unbelievers are sure to say, "Ye do nothing but talk vanities.", can you note this bit ?But if thou bring to them any Sign, the Unbelievers are sure to say, "Ye do nothing but talk vanities., exactly as we see online.


I swear by the Quran full of wisdom

[The Quran , 36:2]

وَالْقُرْآنِ الْحَكِيمِ (2)

-> in here Allah is swearing again with the Quran that is full of wisdom I swear by the Quran full of wisdom, Allah never told us that hadith of the prophet is full of wisdom because He never mentioned the hadith of the prophet from the first place.


We have put forth for men, in this Qur'an every kind of Parable, in order that they may receive admonition.

[The Quran , 39:27]

وَلَقَدْ ضَرَبْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ لَّعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ (27)

-> Again : have put forth for men, in this Qur'an every kind of Parable, in order that they may receive admonition., see all what we need to receive admonition IS IN THE QURAN, it was never said IN THE QURAN and THE HADITH of the prophet


(17)It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it:
(18) But when We have promulgated it, follow thou its recital (as promulgated):
(19) Nay more, it is for Us to explain it (and make it clear)

[The Quran , 75:17-19]

إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا جَمْعَهُ وَقُرْآنَهُ (17)
فَإِذَا قَرَأْنَاهُ فَاتَّبِعْ قُرْآنَهُ (18)
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا بَيَانَهُ (19)

-> These 3 short verses are telling us clearly that Allah is in charge in collecting and promulgating the Quran,: It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it: then He advised us again that when the Quran is read we should follow it, But when We have promulgated it, follow thou its recital (as promulgated) and finally Allah is also in charge in explaining it :Nay more, it is for Us to explain it (and make it clear), He never told us to follow the hadith of the prophet.


Say ye: We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

[The Quran , 2:136]

قُولُواْ آمَنَّا بِاللّهِ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَى وَعِيسَى وَمَا أُوتِيَ النَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ (136)

-> This verse will show you how most Muslims are flawed regarding their excessive praise to Mohammad, in this verse Allah is talking to the believers and is telling them to say :Say ye: We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: , and THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO THE BELIEVERS IS :We make no difference between one and another of them, can you see how most Muslims are flawed?, well they differentiate between the prophets, in fact it seems that they only care about Mohammad and never even think about the other prophets listed in the above verse, it is clear that Allah is telling the believers not to make any difference between one and another of the prophets, the above law is also repeated in another 3 locations in the Quran


The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

[The Quran , 2:258]

آمَنَ الرَّسُولُ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْهِ مِن رَّبِّهِ وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ كُلٌّ آمَنَ بِاللّهِ وَمَلآئِكَتِهِ وَكُتُبِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّن رُّسُلِهِ وَقَالُواْ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا غُفْرَانَكَ رَبَّنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِيرُ (285)

-> Again the same advice from Allah that the believers should :make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers., but most Muslims do by raising Mohammad to a level that is higher than all the rest of all the other prophets, you have seen it very well I'm sure


Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."

[The Quran , 3:84]

قُلْ آمَنَّا بِاللّهِ وَمَا أُنزِلَ عَلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ عَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأَسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَى وَعِيسَى وَالنَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ (84)

-> Again and again, the same law to :make no distinction between one and another among them, well most Muslims failed drastically regarding this important law.


There is no doubt that the Quran is the only guidance and was the only tool the prophet used to call the people to the way of Allah, when we obey him we will be obeying Allah alone, because Mohammad only brought to us what Allah taught him then ordered him to deliver it to us, if any of the laws mentioned in the Quran were not explained like Salat then we must go back to the to the prophet hadith because he has to be the only source to follow in something vital like the Salat, and by doing so we complied by Allah law that the prophet should have taught us things that we didn't know before in addition to Al Kitab wa Al Hikmah, those things were not invented by Mohammad or I should say, it was invented by him but only as guided by Allah and His Quran

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your wishful thinking to only apply the koran at the exclusion of all other islamic scripture and knowledge is to be commended. Koran is short on laws and regulations that it can not handle 99.9% of the situations in the real world.

If you only want to apply the koran at the exclusion to all the other crap, then islam will be almost non-existent in the life of an islamic society and that is a GREAT thing. I wish you luck Ahmed, I really do.

But for now I will give you this gift that was passed to me at Answering-faithfreedom about how important the Hadith and Sunna are:

Sura 59:7 "...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)..."
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Your wishful thinking to only apply the koran at the exclusion of all other islamic scripture and knowledge is to be commended. Koran is short on laws and regulations that it can not handle 99.9% of the situations in the real world.

If you only want to apply the koran at the exclusion to all the other crap, then islam will be almost non-existent in the life of an islamic society and that is a GREAT thing. I wish you luck Ahmed, I really do.

But for now I will give you this gift that was passed to me at Answering-faithfreedom about how important the Hadith and Sunna are:

Sura 59:7 "...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)..."


Come on Baal,

don't use the confused hadith worshippers lame excuse by bringing 59:7

read the verse again, Wa Ma Atakum Al Rasool Fa Khuzuh , i.e. and what the messneger brought to you, take it, which is the Quran, then the verse said Wa Ma Nahakum Anhu, Fa Intahu, i.e. and What he told you NOT to do then do not do it

i.e. bloody e. we need to follow the authenticated hadith that ONLY warns us from doing something, NA HAKUM

that thing must still be qualified by the Quran and the common sense

for example the hearsay hadith that say don't drink while sitting, is contradicted by another one that says don't drink while standing, this means both hadith must go in the rubbish bin

also all hears hadith that are not referring to Mohammed and does not include any "Nahhi", (warning not to do somthing) by him, must be thrown in the rubbish bin, for example

the hadith by the alleged person named Aysha about her alleged age when she married him, in this hearsay the porphet said nothing in it nor we there was in Nahhi (Warning not to so something) in it, therefore that hadith must be thrown in the rubbish bin

I hope you get it by now
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever Ahmed, What Muhammad gave you 'could be' interpreted as koran. But what Muhammad 'forbade' you is NOT the koran.

Twist and Turn all you want, you can not make an exclusive interpretation out of this verse to suit your goal, and the other side that applies hadith and sunna *can* make an exclusive interpretation from this verse.
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Baal wrote:
Whatever Ahmed, What Muhammad gave you 'could be' interpreted as koran. But what Muhammad 'forbade' you is NOT the koran.

Twist and Turn all you want, you can not make an exclusive interpretation out of this verse to suit your goal, and the other side that applies hadith and sunna *can* make an exclusive interpretation from this verse.



You are so deluded mate

so tell me mate:

what Mohammed farbade us in the hearsay hadith by the allged person Aysha regarding her age?

be a man and answer that fukin question please
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Btw, I just read your answer again, this apology of yours is one of the lowest you ever made. Usually I expect much more from you.

Now we have to accept some hadith or sunna only if they forbid? Even though the hadith that forbids suffers from the same problem ALL other hadith & Sunna suffer from?

Nah, what I wrote above still stands, you can not make an exlusive interpretation out of this just to fit your point but the other side can.
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Btw, I just read your answer again, this apology of yours is one of the lowest you ever made. Usually I expect much more from you.

Now we have to accept some hadith or sunna only if they forbid? Even though the hadith that forbids suffers from the same problem ALL other hadith & Sunna suffer from?

Nah, what I wrote above still stands, you can not make an exlusive interpretation out of this just to fit your point but the other side can.



What the hell you are going on about?

I'm going with the exact Quran words:

let's assume for now that the verse you brought in means the sayings of the porphet

answer this fukin question please:

what did the prophet bring to us or forbade us from in the hearsay hadith by the alleged person Aysha?

your failure to answer this fukin question will say it all
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I'm Ed Baghat wrote:

Then what HADITH, after the Quran, will they believe in?


It didn't say hadith, only nutcase Rashad conveniently interprets that way. Are you going to believe a guy who claimed he was a prophet after Muhammad? Sure you will. You'll believe anything, as long as it meets your needs.

077:050
077:050 Khan Then in what statement after this (the Qur'an) will they believe?
077:050 Maulana In what narration after it, will they believe?
077:050 Pickthal In what statement, after this, will they believe?
077:050 Rashad Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?
077:050 Sarwar In which word other than the Quran will they believe?.
077:050 Shakir In what announcement, then, after it, will they believe?
077:050 Sherali In what discourse then, after this, will they believe?
077:050 Yusufali Then what Message, after that, will they believe in?
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I'm Ed Baghat wrote:

Then what HADITH, after the Quran, will they believe in?


It didn't say hadith, only nutcase Rashad conveniently interprets that way. Are you going to believe a guy who claimed he was a prophet after Muhammad? Sure you will. You'll believe anything, as long as it meets your needs.

077:050
077:050 Khan Then in what statement after this (the Qur'an) will they believe?
077:050 Maulana In what narration after it, will they believe?
077:050 Pickthal In what statement, after this, will they believe?
077:050 Rashad Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?
077:050 Sarwar In which word other than the Quran will they believe?.
077:050 Shakir In what announcement, then, after it, will they believe?
077:050 Sherali In what discourse then, after this, will they believe?
077:050 Yusufali Then what Message, after that, will they believe in?


Mute

The arabic word in the verse is Hadith, nutcase R K didn't translate it actually

please dismiss your stupid pinhead in the nearest dumbster where Rashad Khalifa is burried
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I'm Ed Baghat wrote:

i.e. bloody e. we need to follow the authenticated hadith that ONLY warns us from doing something, NA HAKUM


Oh, swell. Then we must listen to the hadith that tells us not to let black dogs into our house or have pictures in there because they prevent angels from entering

or this one

"If a monkey, a black dog or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified." (Bukhari 8/102; Hanbel 4/86).

Or how about the rule that says don't wipe you bum with bones because invisible creatures made from smokeless flame have a discerning palette and apparently don't like the taste of human crap on their food.

I'm sure there are plenty of ridiculous hadiths where Muhammad prohibits something that others can mention as well. you opened up a can of worms. Doa !!


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