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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Woman as evil doers  Reply with quote

As I requested this and consider it my birthday present, (a big thanks by the way!!!)   I figured I had better post something to discuss.  This isn't intended to be so much a debate, but a discussion of ideas.   So here goes:

One thing I have noticed, across the board with the Abrahamic relgions is the notion that women are the downfall of men.  It starts with Eve, it is displayed in the treatment of women as the temptress that needs to be controlled.  The process and ability to give birth (an incrediable, joy filled event) is seen as dirty and inferior.  The dominating thought is woman are so sexual that they are not allowed to be sexual... ?

Earth based spirituality such as the Wiccans see woman as the givers of life.  Strong and caring, powerful, just and nurturing  (what did you all think of your mother when you were 5 or 6, didn't she possess all of these qualities?)

What, where, when, how did this other thinking of woman come about?  Why are the monothesist relgions so full of misogyny?  How can you have a mother you love and adore and still think misogynistic ideas are ok?

I have some theroies as to how this all got started, but I would love to hear some other thoughts on the matter.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time I checked I was still a male! Laughing

Can Martians also take part in these discussions?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last time I checked I was still a male!  

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Of course!  I am more than curious as to hear the male perspective.  This whole battle of the sexes has me perplexed.  I grew up around a bunch of males and not once did they make me feel inferiour or incapable of something because I was a girl.  For the record, this male bashing backlash upsets me just as much.  So discuss away, we get this figured out we may just be able to solve all of the world's problems in just one tiny thread!   Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It starts with the best of intention katlike and then dissonance takes care of the rest.

They want to give the most respect to the ideal woman, and then of course they have to disassociate that woman from the anti-ideal woman. So eventually they end up ganging all the best women in one pile and the worst women in One pile.

Unfortunately, most women, most of the times do not fit in either pile and that is the problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Katlike

This is a very important subject and have deeply rooted psychological background that interests me a great deal.

I am now jotting my thoughts and will be back hopefully with a post that goes to the root of this "complex"!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_Brains,
I have been waiting for your reply.   I am not trying to rush you, but it is a very improtant topic, and I am dying to know your thoughts.  The very short version my opinion is it was STD"s that caused the power flip.  I will explain more later if need be, but I am so curious as to what your thoughts are.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All_Brains,
I have been waiting for your reply.   I am not trying to rush you, but it is a very improtant topic, and I am dying to know your thoughts.  The very short version my opinion is it was STD"s that caused the power flip.  I will explain more later if need be, but I am so curious as to what your thoughts are.

Peace, Love and Health,
Katlike


Hi Katlike

My wife is waiting for my response too!

This topic is very close to my "brain"!  Smile

I am almost done finishing my research and jotting my notes. Should post a response in few hours! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Katlike

Instead of writing one long article I will start few thought in this post and stop the torture of the long wait! Smile

It's very simple really! Since all religions are man-made, the positive emphasis has always been put on man. And by man
here I mean the male man.

In the very beginning God created man in his image, then he thought he'd give him a companion who's later on created from his rib!

The above clearly states that it's the male that was created "first" in God's image and the female was merely created to keep the man entertained and was created from his rib and not directly to reflect the image of God!

Please have a look at the following Greek mythology of creation and the incredible similarities between it and the Abrahamic version of man and woman creation:

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Misogyny can be traced back to the origins of Modern civilization, such as in Greece and Judea, in which stories and legends on the Fall of Man into a world of tragedy and death had been brought about by a woman. In both cultures, the creation of man is primary, and woman an afterthought. In Greek mythology, the human race had already existed previous to the creation of women a peaceful, autonomous existence as a companion to the gods. When Prometheus decides to steal the secret of fire from the gods, Zeus becomes infuriated and decides to punish humankind with an "evil thing for their delight" Pandora, the first woman, who carried a jar (usually described incorrectly as a box) she was told to never open. Epimetheus (the brother of Prometheus) is overwhelmed by her beauty, disregards Prometheus' warnings about her, and marries her. Pandora cannot resist peeking into the jar, and by opening it unveils all evil into the world labour, sickness, old age, and death.


The misogyny has started way before the Abrahamic faiths and took different shapes and forms. I regard the Abrahamic faiths as another version of misogyny, as it was inspired and authored from the same source, the male man!

Religions however are mighty influential, as it affects billions of people on day to day basis and relief their guilt with one sentence "God meant it to be that way"!

In all the Abrahamic faiths, God is referred to as a he/him/his...The father, the son and the holy spirit, a true manifestation of a male deity, who even takes a male form when it decided to descend to earth and live among us!!

It also seems that since man was created in the image of God, he couldn't possibly be tempted and incline to evil.
It takes a weaker, less moral and very "horny" creature to take the blame and inspire evil, our poor Eve!

Women were indirectly responsible for the original sin, and today still contribute to the ongoing sins by luring the unsuspecting innocent men into loving them and hence going further away from their divine father!

Pregnancy and menstruation were God's punishment for all women! It's considered dirty, impure and painful!

Sex segregation in most orthodox sects of the Abrahamic religions says a lot about the continuous distraction of women to man in pursuit of purity and spiritualism.

The way Islam treats women is laughable, specially when they try to argue that Islam honours women like no other religion or belief system!!!!

From covering up on earth, always being a companied by "Muhram" when they're out and about to the extremes of solely exist in the afterlife to work in the brothel of Allah, aka "Jannah, I can only see how Islam has stopped half of humanity from functioning properly.

Men have always prosecuted and undermined those who pose a threat, are different in nature, looks, sexual orientation and those who they don't understand.....

Women unfortunately possess all of the above and were considered by men from day one as an unknown entity.

Oedipus, Electra and Antigone complexes are all present in the issues between men and women. A  new complex here is in order. It's the complex that makes men love/hate women, as they try to separate them from their heavenly father.

I will hereby call this complex the "Jehova Complex".

Men claimed superiority from day one and women were meant to follow, whether they like it or not!!

The fact of the matter is that women have a huge influence on men's ego. Issues of acceptance, rejection. love and hate can only be completely experienced and understood when adding woman to man.

It's the chemical reaction you get from adding these two elements, with one distinction though....the results are almost never the same!

Religions have merely reflected men's deep psychological views of women.

The Abrahamic religions were written by men for men...women are merely sidekicks and distraction between man and his God!

To be continued....
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_Brains,
Thanks so much for your reply, it was what I expected,  and I beg to differ on a couple of your points.  

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It's very simple really! Since all religions are man-made, the positive emphasis has always been put on man. And by man, here I mean the male man.


The ancient spiritual religions were very much female based, even islam has it's "satanic" verses which include allah's daughters.  

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In the very beginning God created man in his image, then he thought he'd give him a companion who's later on created from his rib
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That is the story as told in the Abrahamic religions, but the older ones were much more sexually equal.  There was a God and a Goddess, many times, just a goddess,  (the later stories had the goddess's acting like idiots and causing mayhem because of jelousy about their looks...a sign of what was to become, or a red flag that there was already a  breach in the division?)

The monothesist religions really did have something against women,  why?  There are many pagen religions that hold "mother earth" in high esteem,  they don't even have a heaven and hell concept and many are more ancient, how did they get such a bad rap?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

katlike wrote:
All_Brains,
Thanks so much for your reply, it was what I expected,  and I beg to differ on a couple of your points.  

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It's very simple really! Since all religions are man-made, the positive emphasis has always been put on man. And by man, here I mean the male man.


The ancient spiritual religions were very much female based, even islam has it's "satanic" verses which include allah's daughters.  

Quote:
In the very beginning God created man in his image, then he thought he'd give him a companion who's later on created from his rib
!

That is the story as told in the Abrahamic religions, but the older ones were much more sexually equal.  There was a God and a Goddess, many times, just a goddess,  (the later stories had the goddess's acting like idiots and causing mayhem because of jelousy about their looks...a sign of what was to become, or a red flag that there was already a  breach in the division?)

The monothesist religions really did have something against women,  why?  There are many pagen religions that hold "mother earth" in high esteem,  they don't even have a heaven and hell concept and many are more ancient, how did they get such a bad rap?


Nothing to disagree about dear, my focus above was mainly on the Abrahamic faiths.

I agree you with you that many of the pagan and ancient religion had more emphasis on the female or mother earth/nature.

I will just ask you to refer to the status of women in Eastern religions dominant countries! Women in India, China,
Sri-Lanka, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Laos and many others have no better status than women in the Abrahamic faiths dominant countries!

The complex has now transcended it's religious roots and disguised itself "like a virus" amidst the complicated realm of cultural boundaries and human customs...It's a second nature now! How sad!


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