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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:17 am    Post subject: God's chosen people. Is God racist?  Reply with quote

according to jewish theology, G-d made the covenant with Israel, as fulfillment of the promise G-d gave to Israel's forefathers. i.e Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  

as the bible tells the story, Abraham acknowledge the true G-d while other nations occupied with false ones.

Noah was chosen, for he was a sole person who act righteously.
while others done evil.

this the jewish POV at least from what I recall.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Avram wasn't Jewish until age 99, when he was circumcized. So his being chosen, was not due to race, but due to faith, Genesis 15:6. Messiah was promised to come from his genes, contracts in Genesis 12, 15, 17. So wouldn't that make "Jewish" both a religion and a race? In which case, as in Old Testament times, if you believed like 2/3rds of the Exodus population did, you were a "Jew"?

So how racist is that, when anyone can become a Jew? Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But Avram wasn't Jewish until age 99, when he was circumcized. So his being chosen, was not due to race, but due to faith, Genesis 15:6. Messiah was promised to come from his genes, contracts in Genesis 12, 15, 17. So wouldn't that make "Jewish" both a religion and a race? In which case, as in Old Testament times, if you believed like 2/3rds of the Exodus population did, you were a "Jew"?

So how racist is that, when anyone can become a Jew? Smile

today these who go through process accordingly to jewish are jews.
but the notion of a jew as we perceive today is not the same as in the bible.
Abraham recognized a hebrew. then the Israelites evolved...etc

jews understand there is only one race, the human race.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, beloved ygalg. I was being sarcastic in my last post, proving why it's NOT racist. I guess that humor doesn't come across well in print. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist? Reply with quote

ygalg wrote:
according to jewish theology, G-d made the covenant with Israel, as fulfillment of the promise G-d gave to Israel's forefathers. i.e Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

as the bible tells the story, Abraham acknowledge the true G-d while other nations occupied with false ones.

Noah was chosen, for he was a sole person who act righteously.
while others done evil.

this the jewish POV at least from what I recall.


The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist? Reply with quote

All_Brains wrote:
ygalg wrote:
according to jewish theology, G-d made the covenant with Israel, as fulfillment of the promise G-d gave to Israel's forefathers. i.e Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

as the bible tells the story, Abraham acknowledge the true G-d while other nations occupied with false ones.

Noah was chosen, for he was a sole person who act righteously.
while others done evil.

this the jewish POV at least from what I recall.


The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.

Israel is a start. the job of Israel, brining light to nations. all the righteous of the nations, will reach the world to come.
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I gave a nub of Judaical commentary. my advice for you All_Brains is to invite History from ummah.com from him you get the answers on judaism.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist? Reply with quote

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the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.

not all jews are by birth. and there are also the righteous gentiles. if you read carefully the bible you will notice even non jews are rewarded.

actually if you read the bible, you will noticed that the most punished of the nations is Israel the so called "chosen ones". what sort of privilege of be chosen, where you are gaining the worst?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True, beloved ygalg. I was being sarcastic in my last post, proving why it's NOT racist. I guess that humor doesn't come across well in print. Smile

I thought despite sarcasm, still needed to give an answer.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist? Reply with quote

ygalg wrote:
All_Brains wrote:

the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.

not all jews are by birth. and there are also the righteous gentiles. if you read carefully the bible you will notice even non jews are rewarded.

actually if you read the bible, you will noticed that the most punished of the nations is Israel the so called "chosen ones". what sort of privilege of be chosen, where you are gaining the worst?


To whom much has been given, much is expected. God designed even time itself around the Jews.

At first, those who are anti-semitic or at least envious might wonder why. Then, the proverbial light bulb clicks on: DUHHHHHH Israel is the land bridge between three continents, so now it's EASIER to learn that God!

So anyone located in that area can be 'chosen'. Oooops, and the more punished when going wrong.


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