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All_Brains

And man created God in his own image

Thoughts from my blog.

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It's very curious how God in all the Abrahamic faiths behaves like a vulnerable human.

For instance God in the Old Testament gets angry, takes revenge, feels remorse and guilt. Coincidentally around the time of Judaism humans were still culturally immature, spontaneous and displayed a very similar behaviour!

Then in the New Testament God acts like a drama queen and sets up the stage for suffering, crucifixion and resurrection. A typical Greek tragedy that again coincided with the literature, the theatre and the story telling style of that time.

Last but not least, Islam was a true reflection of the environment and culture of the harsh and ignorant Arabian Desert. The Quran copied many stories from the Gospel, with the help of Waraqqa Ibn Nawfal of course, and added to them the spices you expect from 1001 nights or Aladdin Stories!!

Winged angels, horned devils, scary jinns and a flying mule! Muhammad claimed that the Quran was his only miracle. Again, the only thing the Arabs were good at was poetry...Words and only words, coincidentally the Quran (Islam's only miracle) is made of words, Arabic words!

God's last message to the universe and humanity has been revealed in a language so classical, that some of the native Arabs can now hardly understand.

Just go back in memory my dear Muslim and remember the religion class (Hessatt Al-Deen).
It was all about memorising the words, no comprehension needed and if you fail to memorise you know what happened!

Millions of non-Arabic speaking Muslims recite the Quran in Arabic, a language that they can't understand or speak. The miracle of Quran has dissolved, because God forgot that the universe stretches beyond the Arabian Peninsula!!

Over the next few months I will be concentrating on the Quran, its teachings and its many errors. The errors are grammatical, historical, geographical, scientific and mathematical in nature, but above all is the many immoral verses that directly conflict with basic human rights and sound humane conduct.

I expect Muslims to come and defend their religion, I also expect them to use proper reasoning and logical methods to refute my evidence.


All_Brains
BMZ

Good Topic and worth discussing, A_B

Yes, Let us break the chains of ignorance and fear.

This requires time as it will turn into a huge exercise. I will contribute my thoughts, whenever I have time. And I suggest people do not copy and paste junk and stuff from other answering-Islam sites.

I also hope, you will not allow any exegesis done  Apple_Pie style.  Laughing

Hope everyone presents one's own thoughts and quotes only from the relevant Scriptures. I will discuss only through Qur'aan, the Jewish Holy Scriptures, Christians' OT and their NT. I will not discuss through Hadith.  

Before going into this, I would like to know if you believe in God or not? I am fully aware that you are no more a Muslim.

Thanks
BMZ
All_Brains

Re: Good Topic and worth discussing, A_B

BMZ wrote:
Yes, Let us break the chains of ignorance and fear.

This requires time as it will turn into a huge exercise. I will contribute my thoughts, whenever I have time. And I suggest people do not copy and paste junk and stuff from other answering-Islam sites.

I also hope, you will not allow any exegesis done  Apple_Pie style.  Laughing

Hope everyone presents one's own thoughts and quotes only from the relevant Scriptures. I will discuss only through Qur'aan, the Jewish Holy Scriptures, Christians' OT and their NT. I will not discuss through Hadith.  

Before going into this, I would like to know if you believe in God or not? I am fully aware that you are no more a Muslim.

Thanks
BMZ


I couldn't agree with more you BMZ. Let's rely on our brains and not let people think for us!

I am an atheist to the idea of the current God(s) and Agnostic to what may inspire later on in my life.
Bob

Dear All Brains and BMZ,

Well I'd like to join in the debate as well. What you say AB abut the anthropomorphic monotheistic God is quite true. The emotional states and dispositions of God/Allah are 100% human. Anger, mercy, wounded pride, narcissism, tyranny, desire for revenge, rewarding the faithful (i.e. loyal subjects) etc. Allah in fact displays the behaviour of a typical Middle Eastern potentate. But the 'invisible' God also has the  PHYSICAL traits of  human beings. In the OT God writes with his index finger. In the Koran God fashions the first human being 'with My two hands'! How many fingers does God/Allah have? Five? Does he have two feet as well? And ten toes?

I'm an atheist as well....
All_Brains

Bob wrote:
Dear All Brains and BMZ,

Well I'd like to join in the debate as well. What you say AB abut the anthropomorphic monotheistic God is quite true. The emotional states and dispositions of God/Allah are 100% human. Anger, mercy, wounded pride, narcissism, tyranny, desire for revenge, rewarding the faithful (i.e. loyal subjects) etc. Allah in fact displays the behaviour of a typical Middle Eastern potentate. But the 'invisible' God also has the  PHYSICAL traits of  human beings. In the OT God writes with his index finger. In the Koran God fashions the first human being 'with My two hands'! How many fingers does God/Allah have? Five? Does he have two feet as well? And ten toes?

I'm an atheist as well....


Oh, please Bob....we would love to have you with us in this discussion. Think away my friend!
BMZ

Bob wrote:
Dear All Brains and BMZ,

Well I'd like to join in the debate as well. What you say AB abut the anthropomorphic monotheistic God is quite true. The emotional states and dispositions of God/Allah are 100% human. Anger, mercy, wounded pride, narcissism, tyranny, desire for revenge, rewarding the faithful (i.e. loyal subjects) etc. Allah in fact displays the behaviour of a typical Middle Eastern potentate. But the 'invisible' God also has the  PHYSICAL traits of  human beings. In the OT God writes with his index finger. In the Koran God fashions the first human being 'with My two hands'! How many fingers does God/Allah have? Five? Does he have two feet as well? And ten toes?

I'm an atheist as well....


You are most welcome, Bob. I will be writing as a believer in God and it was good of you to have clarified that you are an atheist. I am down with a bad flu and will write later. Instead of proving  whether God exists or not, I would be addressing the comments in A_B's post.

Good Night from Singapoe
BMZ
Bob

Hello, BMZ

I wish you a speedy recovery!
norwegian

Bob wrote:
How many fingers does God/Allah have? Five? Does he have two feet as well? And ten toes?


And a shin. Don't forget the shin.  Laughing
All_Brains

BMZ wrote:
Bob wrote:
Dear All Brains and BMZ,

Well I'd like to join in the debate as well. What you say AB abut the anthropomorphic monotheistic God is quite true. The emotional states and dispositions of God/Allah are 100% human. Anger, mercy, wounded pride, narcissism, tyranny, desire for revenge, rewarding the faithful (i.e. loyal subjects) etc. Allah in fact displays the behaviour of a typical Middle Eastern potentate. But the 'invisible' God also has the  PHYSICAL traits of  human beings. In the OT God writes with his index finger. In the Koran God fashions the first human being 'with My two hands'! How many fingers does God/Allah have? Five? Does he have two feet as well? And ten toes?

I'm an atheist as well....


You are most welcome, Bob. I will be writing as a believer in God and it was good of you to have clarified that you are an atheist. I am down with a bad flu and will write later. Instead of proving  whether God exists or not, I would be addressing the comments in A_B's post.

Good Night from Singapoe
BMZ


Get well soon BMZ and don't walk that Orchard Rd late at night! You know that "Iblis" lives there! Wink
BMZ

LOL!

All_Brains wrote:
 Get well soon BMZ and don't walk that Orchard Rd late at night! You know that "Iblis" lives there! Wink


Thanks, A_B.

I am always told by the home ministry to go to some other 711 outlet instead of going to the one at Orchard Road.  Laughing

Looks like you know the place well.  Wink
All_Brains

Re: LOL!

BMZ wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
 Get well soon BMZ and don't walk that Orchard Rd late at night! You know that "Iblis" lives there! Wink


Thanks, A_B.

I am always told by the home ministry to go to some other 711 outlet instead of going to the one at Orchard Road.  Laughing

Looks like you know the place well.  Wink


Love Singapore! Lovely food, people and great shopping!

You've got yourself a nice and peaceful home there! It also seems that all nationalities and all faiths live in harmony there, they know how to live and let live.
BMZ

Re: LOL!

All_Brains wrote:
Love Singapore! Lovely food, people and great shopping!

You've got yourself a nice and peaceful home there! It also seems that all nationalities and all faiths live in harmony there, they know how to live and let live.


Yes, Singapore is a beautiful and safe place and people along with the Government worked hard. All faiths live in harmony and believe me, nobody discusses religion in real life. People accept each other.

Malaysia is also similar to Singapore in that matter. I had suggested to ministers from various  Muslim countries to allow a 25% intake of Chinese, North Koreans and other poor people from the ex-Russian bloc and the Muslim countries would have shot up. And they laughed it off.  Evil or Very Mad

BMZ
HomoErectus

It would be much better saying that WOMAN created god in her own image !

This way I could [maybe] look at an alleged god maybe resembling  pamela anderson.... or so...

And, according to my signature, this would be the only exception where "bent over" may be better than upright !
Very Happy
brainout

Well, there are two ways of looking at this.  First, if there really is a PERSONAL God, then language of accommodation would be used to render a personal intimacy, which means this God would 'talk' and 'act' like the creation He makes, so that creation can understand Him.  The alternative would be to flat force the creation to know Him, which a Personal God would not want to do.  Love never coerces, and it makes no sense to create in the first place if Love is not the motive.  Any creation would necessarily be a pain to maintain, not unlike having a very sick child forever.  You love the child, but relationship would be limited.  Unless, one is an Omnipotent God and just likes doing things the hard way, going all the way low as well as being infinitely high.

In that scenario, what is claimed as a man-made god would really be a God-made man Who relates to man in his own terms.

Now, either way man will abuse "God".  Man uses everything to get power over others, to gain things over others, because man is fundamentally needy.  Love and need cannot coexist.  The child needs the parent, but the parent doesn't really need the child.  But the parent loves the child and takes care of him.  Of course, in real life often parents are just as needy (if not more) than the children they beget, and a lot of abuse takes place.  And of course, vice versa.  

To the extent need exists, love cannot exist.  So we religify our relationships even with each other -- oh, Johnny, you didn't kiss me when you walked in the door! -- so of course any relationship (real or imagined) with God will be religified, too.  That doesn't mean God, if He exists, is that way.  It means we recrafted Him in our image.

I think there's a distinct 'fingerprint' of the difference between the man-made god, and the God-made man.  The man-made god is always about behavior, and what people say, do.  The relationship crafted by man about god always stresses rituals, emotion, incantations, etc.  When queried as to WHY these practices are enjoined -- for they are always silly, and it's important they be silly, for you aren't 'faithful' if you're not silly -- when queried why, you are hushed, dismissed, given soundbyte answers which would only satisfy a child.

A God-made man faith would be the very opposite.  Freedom would be paramount, maturing in a HIGHER form of relating would be paramount, since after all if God exists, He's higher and has no need and less interest in churlish behaviors.  We parents always yearn for our children to GROW.  We want to relate to them as fellow adults, not droolers who need diapers changed.  So how much more, a God-made man faith, would have GROWTH as its goal?  Growth in thinking, in freedom, in taking responsibility -- way higher than mere morality and its necessary behaviors.  Love is higher than morality, and apart from love, morality has no value.  The fun and fulfillment of morality is love.  Else it's a dry slavish existence which only a man-made god could love.
kafir forever

A_B,

I also think that Man created God in his (Man's) own image.  In the 70's, a sociologist named Peter Berger wrote a book called The Sacred Canopy where he came to the same conclusion based on Man's social needs to face unknown and unknowable mysteries of the universe.  He suggested that man created an image of God, then projected that image onto the cosmos as if it were real, then responded to that image as if it were an external reality.  Are you familiar with his work?

Anyway, I do not want to side track your thread.  I will monitor this thread and comment from time to time.

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