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ibnishaq

arabic

is arabic more elaborate and complicated then english to learn?

i learned english as a child and it was not that hard now i want to learn arabic but am not sure how hard it is!

what is with like the bi way si all that at the beginning and idhin kumu all that at the ending? that seems foreign in english!
All_Brains

Re: arabic

ibnishaq wrote:
is arabic more elaborate and complicated then english to learn?

i learned english as a child and it was not that hard now i want to learn arabic but am not sure how hard it is!

what is with like the bi way si all that at the beginning and idhin kumu all that at the ending? that seems foreign in english!


It depends Shaq on how talented you're with languages. Judging by your English being a second language and the fact that you're Muslim and had frequent exposure to Arabic, I don't think it would be that difficult for you to learn.

Give it a try.
Raza

Re: arabic

ibnishaq wrote:
is arabic more elaborate and complicated then english to learn?

i learned english as a child and it was not that hard now i want to learn arabic but am not sure how hard it is!

what is with like the bi way si all that at the beginning and idhin kumu all that at the ending? that seems foreign in english!

I know how to speak it and read it, but not understand it.
brainout

Raza and shaq, I don't know if there is a parallel doctrine in the Qu'ran, but for Bible you must a) believe Christ paid for your sins, and b) use 1John 1:9 every time you read, or you cannot understand it, even if you understand every word individually.

Qu'ran also claims to be of Divine Intelligence, which means you need Divine Help to read it.  So maybe what you want to do, is ask Allah to cause you to understand it.  If the real Allah is God of the Bible, then when you read you'll come to see that.  If the real Allah is instead of the Qu'ran, then you'll come to see that.

Always ask God for the interpretation as you read.  And keep asking.  That's a vote to know God, and God (whichever He is) will answer.

Unlike many anti-Muslims here, I do NOT believe you should abandon the Qu'ran until YOU PERSONALLY have proof YOU need from God Himself to justify that.  And what interpretation can you validly make, if you don't know GOD is giving it to you?

It's a question of AUTHORITY:  God's.  So we should always ask Him.

Enjoy, both of you, it's nice to see your posts!
AhmedBahgat

Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers
Pazuzu bin Hanbi

Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!
AhmedBahgat

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!



That's right, we are the ones who Allah taught us the Quran so we can teach it to those who are humble, not the arrogant
OJ Smoke

I think it would be easier to learn the language if you are a Muslim. Muslims have constantly listened to Arabic and have a frequent exposure to Arabic, so it would be easier to learn. Not to mention the fact that most of us can read the language and write it and can pronounce all the words.

Arabic would still be difficult. But I judge that we Muslims have a head-start regarding this language
OJ Smoke

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers


Brother AhmedBahgat, I know it is hard to master the Arabic language. But is it hard to learn it?

Like, how hard would it be for me to learn Arabic to an extent that I would understand the Quran and speak to Arabs on the street?
Baal

OJ Smoke wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers


Brother AhmedBahgat, I know it is hard to master the Arabic language. But is it hard to learn it?

Like, how hard would it be for me to learn Arabic to an extent that I would understand the Quran and speak to Arabs on the street?

Understanding the koran and speaking to arabs on the street is Two separate skills.

Although if you learn to read/speak koran, other arabs will understand you when you speak, however you might not understand them when. Not unless you live there for few month.

Arabic should not have been that hard to learn except that, those with the knowledge of Arabic, teach arabic like asses. They IMO made it harder to learn on purpose.

Today there are Western institutions that are teaching Arabic and it is much easier to learn from their methods then to learn it from Arabs.

But then again, why do you want to learn arabic? is there some inventions you want to read about or a "Top 3000" university you would like to join. Is there anything of value Arabs made lately that you would like to learn their language?

You are much better off learning German or Japanese then learning this sh1t language used by people whose entire GPA added together is still lower then a crappy European country. People who live off foreign aid because they can not produce enough food for themselves.
ronyvo

OJ Smoke wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers


Brother AhmedBahgat, I know it is hard to master the Arabic language. But is it hard to learn it?

Like, how hard would it be for me to learn Arabic to an extent that I would understand the Quran and speak to Arabs on the street?

Any language can be learned for street use, to speak to Arabs in the street, provided they are not using slang.
However, it is a different story to master it in order to fully understand it, say for instance, to understand literature.
The Arabic grammer is the most difficult in Western languages.
Even the Koran, which the islamists believe that it is a miracle, because the perfect Arabic used, it is proven that it has many languistic mistakes.

I would like to advise you to read the Koran in English, but the translaton is not very accurate.
For instance, the English version uses the word "fight". In Arabic "kill".
Or "enkahoo" which means exactly the four letter "F" word, in English translated "Marry"......
AhmedBahgat

ronyvo wrote:
OJ Smoke wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers


Brother AhmedBahgat, I know it is hard to master the Arabic language. But is it hard to learn it?

Like, how hard would it be for me to learn Arabic to an extent that I would understand the Quran and speak to Arabs on the street?

Any language can be learned for street use, to speak to Arabs in the street, provided they are not using slang.
However, it is a different story to master it in order to fully understand it, say for instance, to understand literature.
The Arabic grammer is the most difficult in Western languages.
Even the Koran, which the islamists believe that it is a miracle, because the perfect Arabic used, it is proven that it has many languistic mistakes.

I would like to advise you to read the Koran in English, but the translaton is not very accurate.
For instance, the English version uses the word "fight". In Arabic "kill".
Or "enkahoo" which means exactly the four letter "F" word, in English translated "Marry"......


Stop misleading the young Muslim you freak

the word Nikah is the the Arabic Fusha to Marriage

Please dismiss your stupid arse in the ignorant rubbish bin
AhmedBahgat

OJ Smoke wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers


Brother AhmedBahgat, I know it is hard to master the Arabic language. But is it hard to learn it?

Like, how hard would it be for me to learn Arabic to an extent that I would understand the Quran and speak to Arabs on the street?


salam bro

to speak the street language arabic, it should not be too hard

to learn everything about Arabic (mastering it), then this is too tough, sorry to tell you that, however because you are young, then you should have more time and pattience to achieve what you want to achieve, you need to work hard on it and Allah will give you the knowledge inshaalllah

salam
BMZ

AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
OJ Smoke wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers


Brother AhmedBahgat, I know it is hard to master the Arabic language. But is it hard to learn it?

Like, how hard would it be for me to learn Arabic to an extent that I would understand the Quran and speak to Arabs on the street?

Any language can be learned for street use, to speak to Arabs in the street, provided they are not using slang.
However, it is a different story to master it in order to fully understand it, say for instance, to understand literature.
The Arabic grammer is the most difficult in Western languages.
Even the Koran, which the islamists believe that it is a miracle, because the perfect Arabic used, it is proven that it has many languistic mistakes.

I would like to advise you to read the Koran in English, but the translaton is not very accurate.
For instance, the English version uses the word "fight". In Arabic "kill".
Or "enkahoo" which means exactly the four letter "F" word, in English translated "Marry"......


Stop misleading the young Muslim you freak

the word Nikah is the the Arabic Fusha to Marriage

Please dismiss your stupid arse in the ignorant rubbish bin


Ahmed,

From now on, it will be Holy F instead of Holy Matrimony or the Holy Union.  Laughing

Cheers
BMZ
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
OJ Smoke wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers


Brother AhmedBahgat, I know it is hard to master the Arabic language. But is it hard to learn it?

Like, how hard would it be for me to learn Arabic to an extent that I would understand the Quran and speak to Arabs on the street?

Any language can be learned for street use, to speak to Arabs in the street, provided they are not using slang.
However, it is a different story to master it in order to fully understand it, say for instance, to understand literature.
The Arabic grammer is the most difficult in Western languages.
Even the Koran, which the islamists believe that it is a miracle, because the perfect Arabic used, it is proven that it has many languistic mistakes.

I would like to advise you to read the Koran in English, but the translaton is not very accurate.
For instance, the English version uses the word "fight". In Arabic "kill".
Or "enkahoo" which means exactly the four letter "F" word, in English translated "Marry"......


Stop misleading the young Muslim you freak

the word Nikah is the the Arabic Fusha to Marriage

Please dismiss your stupid arse in the ignorant rubbish bin

Not really Marriage in the Western sense.

More like Legal intercourse. So it still means the F-word but meant in a legal way.

You do not marry your slave but you can have a legal intercourse 'Nikah' with them. When my muslim friend showed me his wedding registration from india, it said on top: "Izn Nikah" - Pemit to Nikah.
BMZ

Baal wrote:
 When my muslim friend showed me his wedding registration from india, it said on top: "Izn Nikah" - Pemit to Nikah.


So what?

In the Sub-Continent, it is called Certificate of Nikah or Marriage Registration Certificate.

Nobody calls it a Permit to Nikah. Don't be silly, Baal.   Laughing

Baal

BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
 When my muslim friend showed me his wedding registration from india, it said on top: "Izn Nikah" - Pemit to Nikah.


So what?

In the Sub-Continent, it is called Certificate of Nikah or Marriage Registration Certificate.

Nobody calls it a Permit to Nikah. Don't be silly, Baal.   Laughing


What do I care how do you call it in English? I read it the way it was written: "Izn al-Nikah". Izn is a Permit.
HomoErectus

Isn't one meaning of "nikah" also "pussy" ?

If so...

another translation could be "ticket to pussy" ! Very Happy
Baal

HomoErectus wrote:
Isn't one meaning of "nikah" also "pussy" ?

If so...

another translation could be "ticket to pussy" ! Very Happy

Not in Arabic, In Arabic Neik means Fvck.

Nak - Fvcked
Etnak(et|o) - Got Fvcked (female|plural)
Mitnak(a|een) - The one who gets habitually fvcked (female|plural)
Nayek(a) - Someone who fvcked (female)
AhmedBahgat

Baal wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:
Isn't one meaning of "nikah" also "pussy" ?

If so...

another translation could be "ticket to pussy" ! Very Happy

Not in Arabic, In Arabic Neik means Fvck.

Nak - Fvcked
Etnak(et|o) - Got Fvcked (female|plural)
Mitnak(a|een) - The one who gets habitually fvcked (female|plural)
Nayek(a) - Someone who fvcked (female)



sounds like you're a Nake professional

you forgot the equivelent word when a homo yanik a queer:

Nakahu

cheers
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:
Isn't one meaning of "nikah" also "pussy" ?

If so...

another translation could be "ticket to pussy" ! Very Happy

Not in Arabic, In Arabic Neik means Fvck.

Nak - Fvcked
Etnak(et|o) - Got Fvcked (female|plural)
Mitnak(a|een) - The one who gets habitually fvcked (female|plural)
Nayek(a) - Someone who fvcked (female)



sounds like you're a Nake professional

you forgot the equevlent words when a homo yanik a queer

Nakahu

cheers

I was not about to conjugate "Nak" for all the possiblities out there.

Nak, Nakit, Naka-ha, Nakit-ha, Naka-hum, Nakit-hum, Naka-hun, Nakit-hun, Nakaho, Nakito, etc..

But it is interesting to see which One of the conjugations held your attention Smile, you might direct those types of questions to Erectus.
AhmedBahgat

Baal wrote:

But it is interesting to see which One of the conjugations held your attention Smile, you might direct those types of questions to Erectus.



LOL,  do you think i'm a Mitnak in a closet?  Very Happy
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:

But it is interesting to see which One of the conjugations held your attention Smile, you might direct those types of questions to Erectus.


LOL,  do you think i'm a Mitnak in a closet?  Very Happy

Lol, no no not at all. My gaydar did not pick anything in that regard not that i would hold it against you if I did. And anyways gaydars do not work well with the Middle Eastern Stealth Gayness.

Actually i agree with ahmadinjihad on this issue. He claimed that in iran the gays are not the same and he is right. In Egypt & Iran you can see and work with a gay guy for years and you won't know he is gay.

For lack of a politically correct term, we have gays but we do not have fags. Not that I have a problem with fags (outward display of gayness).
ronyvo

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!



That's right, we are the ones who Allah taught us the Quran so we can teach it to those who are humble, not the arrogant

What do you mean, Ahmed?
Humble in Islam? Please.
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57


HOW CAN ANY ONE BE HUMBLE WITH SUCH TEACHINGS????
ronyvo

AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
OJ Smoke wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers


Brother AhmedBahgat, I know it is hard to master the Arabic language. But is it hard to learn it?

Like, how hard would it be for me to learn Arabic to an extent that I would understand the Quran and speak to Arabs on the street?

Any language can be learned for street use, to speak to Arabs in the street, provided they are not using slang.
However, it is a different story to master it in order to fully understand it, say for instance, to understand literature.
The Arabic grammer is the most difficult in Western languages.
Even the Koran, which the islamists believe that it is a miracle, because the perfect Arabic used, it is proven that it has many languistic mistakes.

I would like to advise you to read the Koran in English, but the translaton is not very accurate.
For instance, the English version uses the word "fight". In Arabic "kill".
Or "enkahoo" which means exactly the four letter "F" word, in English translated "Marry"......


Stop misleading the young Muslim you freak

the word Nikah is the the Arabic Fusha to Marriage

Please dismiss your stupid arse in the ignorant rubbish bin


Typical islamic reply, slurs.
Out of frustration you people can not help it.

Marry in Arabic is etgawez. Even for those who do not speak Arabic can see the difference.
90% Of Muslims around the world do not speak Arabic.
90% Of Arab Muslims do not understand what they are reading in the Koran and Hadiths.

I've just came from Turkey. The Koran is read from the mosques in loud speakers. I asked almost every Turk I met if he understand what he is hearing, "not a word"!!

I do not know of which catogary you are in, but it is obvious that you do not master Arabic at all, or out of shame you are manipulating the meaning.
Try to be polite and truthful. I know it is very hard for a Muslim to be truthful, but try and may God (not Allah) help you.
AhmedBahgat

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!



That's right, we are the ones who Allah taught us the Quran so we can teach it to those who are humble, not the arrogant


ronyvo wrote:
What do you mean, Ahmed?
Humble in Islam? Please.


What I meant is clear that many of those who are professional in Arabic and learnt the Quran back to front have a responsibility to convey the right message to others


ronyvo wrote:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.


Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it


ronyvo wrote:
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  


I have replied to the whole sura and exposed your confusion, stop acting like a parrot

ronyvo wrote:
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57


Dismissed

ronyvo wrote:
HOW CAN ANY ONE BE HUMBLE WITH SUCH TEACHINGS????


You do not understand the teaching, this is because you have been manipulated by others, I have no time to waste with a confused sole like you
ronyvo

Baal wrote:
OJ Smoke wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Arabic is damn tough to master even for the native Arabic speakers


Brother AhmedBahgat, I know it is hard to master the Arabic language. But is it hard to learn it?

Like, how hard would it be for me to learn Arabic to an extent that I would understand the Quran and speak to Arabs on the street?

Understanding the koran and speaking to arabs on the street is Two separate skills.

Although if you learn to read/speak koran, other arabs will understand you when you speak, however you might not understand them when. Not unless you live there for few month.

Arabic should not have been that hard to learn except that, those with the knowledge of Arabic, teach arabic like asses. They IMO made it harder to learn on purpose.

Today there are Western institutions that are teaching Arabic and it is much easier to learn from their methods then to learn it from Arabs.

But then again, why do you want to learn arabic? is there some inventions you want to read about or a "Top 3000" university you would like to join. Is there anything of value Arabs made lately that you would like to learn their language?

You are much better off learning German or Japanese then learning this sh1t language used by people whose entire GPA added together is still lower then a crappy European country. People who live off foreign aid because they can not produce enough food for themselves.

Good advice, Baal.
Why does he want to learn this violent and dirty language?
I did not teach my kids to speak this language, it reminds me me with "force".
As you may know, when the Arabs invaded Egypt the Muslim ruler made it unlawful to speak Coptic (the language of the Egyptians) and 'cut off the tongue' of any one who spoke it.
Many tongues have been cut off.

If he wants to read the Koran, this would be 'mission impossible'.
If to sopeak to Arabs in the street, they (the Arabs) should learn how to assimilate in the country they are living in and speak their language.
ronyvo

AhmedBahgat wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!



That's right, we are the ones who Allah taught us the Quran so we can teach it to those who are humble, not the arrogant


ronyvo wrote:
What do you mean, Ahmed?
Humble in Islam? Please.


What I meant is clear that many of those who are professional in Arabic and learnt the Quran back to front have a responsibility to convey the right message to others


ronyvo wrote:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.


Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it


ronyvo wrote:
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  


I have replied to the whole sura and exposed your confusion, stop acting like a parrot

ronyvo wrote:
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57


Dismissed

ronyvo wrote:
HOW CAN ANY ONE BE HUMBLE WITH SUCH TEACHINGS????


You do not understand the teaching, this is because you have been manipulated by others, I have no time to waste with a confused sole like you

I have news for you, Ahmed.

1- I was FORCED to study the Koran, hadiths and islamic history IN ARABIC by imams (shieks) from Al-Azhar University in Egypt.
So, I have NOT been manipulated by any one.
May be you?

2- I am, definitly, not a confused soull. I am saying it from personal experience with Islam for 25 years as a Christian and that was hell on earth, and from learning (see above).

3- You say "as discussed".
Sorray, but you did not discuss anything.
Your explanation is "Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it".
a) Thank God that Allah is NOT my God. So I don't deal with him.
b) Allah, as you say, wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers, that is OK with you, that makes you a terrorist.
4) MY God is a God of love and peace:


Jesus said, “you shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind.. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as your self. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” Mt22:37-40
“A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; as I loved you , that you also love one another, by this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for on another, John 13:34-35
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come into him and make Our home with him.” John 14:23
“These things I command you, that you love one another.” John 15-17
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of judgment, but I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment “. Mt. 5:21-22
“Furthermore, it has been said, whoever divorces his wife let him give a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery.” Mt 5:31-32
“You have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate you enemy; but I say to you ‘love you enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those spitefully use you and persecute you.” Mt 5:43-44

“Love never fails.” 1 Cor 13:8
“For I have come not to call the righteous, but the sinners.” Mt. 9:13
“with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing one another in love.” Eph 4:2
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.” Eph 5:25

“For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Tm 6:10
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.” Mt 6:8

“Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you , not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” John 14:27

I invite you to get out of the dark and come to the LIGHT, like millions of Muslims did and are doing.

Peace
AhmedBahgat

ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!



That's right, we are the ones who Allah taught us the Quran so we can teach it to those who are humble, not the arrogant


ronyvo wrote:
What do you mean, Ahmed?
Humble in Islam? Please.


What I meant is clear that many of those who are professional in Arabic and learnt the Quran back to front have a responsibility to convey the right message to others


ronyvo wrote:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.


Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it


ronyvo wrote:
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  


I have replied to the whole sura and exposed your confusion, stop acting like a parrot

ronyvo wrote:
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57


Dismissed

ronyvo wrote:
HOW CAN ANY ONE BE HUMBLE WITH SUCH TEACHINGS????


You do not understand the teaching, this is because you have been manipulated by others, I have no time to waste with a confused sole like you

I have news for you, Ahmed.

1- I was FORCED to study the Koran, hadiths and islamic history IN ARABIC by imams (shieks) from Al-Azhar University in Egypt.
So, I have NOT been manipulated by any one.
May be you?

2- I am, definitly, not a confused soull. I am saying it from personal experience with Islam for 25 years as a Christian and that was hell on earth, and from learning (see above).

3- You say "as discussed".
Sorray, but you did not discuss anything.
Your explanation is "Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it".
a) Thank God that Allah is NOT my God. So I don't deal with him.
b) Allah, as you say, wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers, that is OK with you, that makes you a terrorist.
4) MY God is a God of love and peace:


Jesus said, “you shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind.. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as your self. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” Mt22:37-40
“A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; as I loved you , that you also love one another, by this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for on another, John 13:34-35
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come into him and make Our home with him.” John 14:23
“These things I command you, that you love one another.” John 15-17
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of judgment, but I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment “. Mt. 5:21-22
“Furthermore, it has been said, whoever divorces his wife let him give a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery.” Mt 5:31-32
“You have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate you enemy; but I say to you ‘love you enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those spitefully use you and persecute you.” Mt 5:43-44

“Love never fails.” 1 Cor 13:8
“For I have come not to call the righteous, but the sinners.” Mt. 9:13
“with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing one another in love.” Eph 4:2
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.” Eph 5:25

“For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Tm 6:10
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.” Mt 6:8

“Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you , not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” John 14:27

I invite you to get out of the dark and come to the LIGHT, like millions of Muslims did and are doing.

Peace


Well this confirms your manipulations, because Al Azhar Ulmaaa are the most manipulated manipulatpors ever when it comes to religion, bad luck, you have been done

Salam
ronyvo

AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!



That's right, we are the ones who Allah taught us the Quran so we can teach it to those who are humble, not the arrogant


ronyvo wrote:
What do you mean, Ahmed?
Humble in Islam? Please.


What I meant is clear that many of those who are professional in Arabic and learnt the Quran back to front have a responsibility to convey the right message to others


ronyvo wrote:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.


Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it


ronyvo wrote:
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  


I have replied to the whole sura and exposed your confusion, stop acting like a parrot

ronyvo wrote:
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57


Dismissed

ronyvo wrote:
HOW CAN ANY ONE BE HUMBLE WITH SUCH TEACHINGS????


You do not understand the teaching, this is because you have been manipulated by others, I have no time to waste with a confused sole like you

I have news for you, Ahmed.

1- I was FORCED to study the Koran, hadiths and islamic history IN ARABIC by imams (shieks) from Al-Azhar University in Egypt.
So, I have NOT been manipulated by any one.
May be you?

2- I am, definitly, not a confused soull. I am saying it from personal experience with Islam for 25 years as a Christian and that was hell on earth, and from learning (see above).

3- You say "as discussed".
Sorray, but you did not discuss anything.
Your explanation is "Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it".
a) Thank God that Allah is NOT my God. So I don't deal with him.
b) Allah, as you say, wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers, that is OK with you, that makes you a terrorist.
4) MY God is a God of love and peace:


Jesus said, “you shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind.. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as your self. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” Mt22:37-40
“A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; as I loved you , that you also love one another, by this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for on another, John 13:34-35
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come into him and make Our home with him.” John 14:23
“These things I command you, that you love one another.” John 15-17
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of judgment, but I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment “. Mt. 5:21-22
“Furthermore, it has been said, whoever divorces his wife let him give a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery.” Mt 5:31-32
“You have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate you enemy; but I say to you ‘love you enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those spitefully use you and persecute you.” Mt 5:43-44

“Love never fails.” 1 Cor 13:8
“For I have come not to call the righteous, but the sinners.” Mt. 9:13
“with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing one another in love.” Eph 4:2
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.” Eph 5:25

“For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Tm 6:10
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.” Mt 6:8

“Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you , not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” John 14:27

I invite you to get out of the dark and come to the LIGHT, like millions of Muslims did and are doing.

Peace


Well this confirms your manipulations, because Al Azhar Ulmaaa are the most manipulated manipulatpors ever when it comes to religion, bad luck, you have been done

Salam

WOW. This is a great reply.

I really thought that you are one of those Muslims who is after the TRUTH and not just is brainswashed.
What do you mean by manipulated any way? Are those surahs, which I have quoted for you from the Koran  and which are being COPIED from the Noble Qur’an.
The translators are: Dr. Muhammad Taqu-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Former Professor of Islamic Faith and teachings Islamic University, Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah AND Dr.Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Formerly Director, University Hospital Islamic University, Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah.
It was printed by King Fahd Complex For The Printing of The Holy Qur’an, at Madinah, K.S.A. are there or not? Or are they from my imagination? I have to admit that my wildest imagination is no match to Mohammad's.

Peace
AhmedBahgat

ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!



That's right, we are the ones who Allah taught us the Quran so we can teach it to those who are humble, not the arrogant


ronyvo wrote:
What do you mean, Ahmed?
Humble in Islam? Please.


What I meant is clear that many of those who are professional in Arabic and learnt the Quran back to front have a responsibility to convey the right message to others


ronyvo wrote:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.


Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it


ronyvo wrote:
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  


I have replied to the whole sura and exposed your confusion, stop acting like a parrot

ronyvo wrote:
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57


Dismissed

ronyvo wrote:
HOW CAN ANY ONE BE HUMBLE WITH SUCH TEACHINGS????


You do not understand the teaching, this is because you have been manipulated by others, I have no time to waste with a confused sole like you

I have news for you, Ahmed.

1- I was FORCED to study the Koran, hadiths and islamic history IN ARABIC by imams (shieks) from Al-Azhar University in Egypt.
So, I have NOT been manipulated by any one.
May be you?

2- I am, definitly, not a confused soull. I am saying it from personal experience with Islam for 25 years as a Christian and that was hell on earth, and from learning (see above).

3- You say "as discussed".
Sorray, but you did not discuss anything.
Your explanation is "Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it".
a) Thank God that Allah is NOT my God. So I don't deal with him.
b) Allah, as you say, wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers, that is OK with you, that makes you a terrorist.
4) MY God is a God of love and peace:


Jesus said, “you shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind.. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as your self. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” Mt22:37-40
“A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; as I loved you , that you also love one another, by this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for on another, John 13:34-35
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come into him and make Our home with him.” John 14:23
“These things I command you, that you love one another.” John 15-17
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of judgment, but I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment “. Mt. 5:21-22
“Furthermore, it has been said, whoever divorces his wife let him give a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery.” Mt 5:31-32
“You have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate you enemy; but I say to you ‘love you enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those spitefully use you and persecute you.” Mt 5:43-44

“Love never fails.” 1 Cor 13:8
“For I have come not to call the righteous, but the sinners.” Mt. 9:13
“with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing one another in love.” Eph 4:2
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.” Eph 5:25

“For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Tm 6:10
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.” Mt 6:8

“Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you , not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” John 14:27

I invite you to get out of the dark and come to the LIGHT, like millions of Muslims did and are doing.

Peace


Well this confirms your manipulations, because Al Azhar Ulmaaa are the most manipulated manipulatpors ever when it comes to religion, bad luck, you have been done

Salam

WOW. This is a great reply.

I really thought that you are one of those Muslims who is after the TRUTH and not just is brainswashed.
What do you mean by manipulated any way? Are those surahs, which I have quoted for you from the Koran  and which are being COPIED from the Noble Qur’an.
The translators are: Dr. Muhammad Taqu-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Former Professor of Islamic Faith and teachings Islamic University, Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah AND Dr.Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Formerly Director, University Hospital Islamic University, Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah.
It was printed by King Fahd Complex For The Printing of The Holy Qur’an, at Madinah, K.S.A. are there or not? Or are they from my imagination? I have to admit that my wildest imagination is no match to Mohammad's.

Peace



Fuk Alazhar Ulmaa, however you are acting really dumb, all the verses you posted, I have replied to it many times before and certainly you are confused and do not understand what the verses are talking about, however I really do not have time to dialogue with you, no offence though, I'm just having a bad time due to the economy crunch every where

cheers
ronyvo

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!

I studied Arabic and lived in arabic country for over 25 years.
I studies the Koran, of course, in Arabic.
I can glean the true meaning of the Koran. My teachers were imams from al-Azhar university. This is the most prestegious and authorotative Islamic university in the world.
Therefore, I know the true meaning of the Koran.

As I've written many times and everywhere that the Koran is full of contradictions and its teachings are the most violent and wicked.

I can prove that by JUST citing surahs from the Koran. If you wish that I do that, please let me know.

Peace.

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