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ygalg

God's chosen people. Is God racist?

according to jewish theology, G-d made the covenant with Israel, as fulfillment of the promise G-d gave to Israel's forefathers. i.e Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  

as the bible tells the story, Abraham acknowledge the true G-d while other nations occupied with false ones.

Noah was chosen, for he was a sole person who act righteously.
while others done evil.

this the jewish POV at least from what I recall.
brainout

But Avram wasn't Jewish until age 99, when he was circumcized. So his being chosen, was not due to race, but due to faith, Genesis 15:6. Messiah was promised to come from his genes, contracts in Genesis 12, 15, 17. So wouldn't that make "Jewish" both a religion and a race? In which case, as in Old Testament times, if you believed like 2/3rds of the Exodus population did, you were a "Jew"?

So how racist is that, when anyone can become a Jew? Smile
ygalg

brainout wrote:
But Avram wasn't Jewish until age 99, when he was circumcized. So his being chosen, was not due to race, but due to faith, Genesis 15:6. Messiah was promised to come from his genes, contracts in Genesis 12, 15, 17. So wouldn't that make "Jewish" both a religion and a race? In which case, as in Old Testament times, if you believed like 2/3rds of the Exodus population did, you were a "Jew"?

So how racist is that, when anyone can become a Jew? Smile

today these who go through process accordingly to jewish are jews.
but the notion of a jew as we perceive today is not the same as in the bible.
Abraham recognized a hebrew. then the Israelites evolved...etc

jews understand there is only one race, the human race.
brainout

True, beloved ygalg. I was being sarcastic in my last post, proving why it's NOT racist. I guess that humor doesn't come across well in print. Smile
All_Brains

Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist?

ygalg wrote:
according to jewish theology, G-d made the covenant with Israel, as fulfillment of the promise G-d gave to Israel's forefathers. i.e Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

as the bible tells the story, Abraham acknowledge the true G-d while other nations occupied with false ones.

Noah was chosen, for he was a sole person who act righteously.
while others done evil.

this the jewish POV at least from what I recall.


The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.
ygalg

Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist?

All_Brains wrote:
ygalg wrote:
according to jewish theology, G-d made the covenant with Israel, as fulfillment of the promise G-d gave to Israel's forefathers. i.e Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

as the bible tells the story, Abraham acknowledge the true G-d while other nations occupied with false ones.

Noah was chosen, for he was a sole person who act righteously.
while others done evil.

this the jewish POV at least from what I recall.


The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.

Israel is a start. the job of Israel, brining light to nations. all the righteous of the nations, will reach the world to come.
ygalg

I gave a nub of Judaical commentary. my advice for you All_Brains is to invite History from ummah.com from him you get the answers on judaism.
ygalg

Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist?

All_Brains wrote:

the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.

not all jews are by birth. and there are also the righteous gentiles. if you read carefully the bible you will notice even non jews are rewarded.

actually if you read the bible, you will noticed that the most punished of the nations is Israel the so called "chosen ones". what sort of privilege of be chosen, where you are gaining the worst?
ygalg

brainout wrote:
True, beloved ygalg. I was being sarcastic in my last post, proving why it's NOT racist. I guess that humor doesn't come across well in print. Smile

I thought despite sarcasm, still needed to give an answer.
brainout

Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist?

ygalg wrote:
All_Brains wrote:

the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.

not all jews are by birth. and there are also the righteous gentiles. if you read carefully the bible you will notice even non jews are rewarded.

actually if you read the bible, you will noticed that the most punished of the nations is Israel the so called "chosen ones". what sort of privilege of be chosen, where you are gaining the worst?


To whom much has been given, much is expected. God designed even time itself around the Jews.

At first, those who are anti-semitic or at least envious might wonder why. Then, the proverbial light bulb clicks on: DUHHHHHH Israel is the land bridge between three continents, so now it's EASIER to learn that God!

So anyone located in that area can be 'chosen'. Oooops, and the more punished when going wrong.
All_Brains

I am still not convinced that this how would God communicate with people, using language, time relevant customs and laws that no longer make sense.
brainout

Well I don't know how ygalg will respond to that, but the general idea is that God LOVES, so is willing to talk to us in our own way and on our own terms. Theological term is "language of accommodation".

The conventional story goes like this: God created Adam. Then related to Adam pre-Fall in a manner which didn't overwhelm Adam. Then, Isha. Of course, Satan spoke through the snake so his beauty wouldn't overwhelm them either. Then you know what happens. So the entire querying process in Genesis 3 is an example of God talking to now-Fallen Adam, on his own level. Again, not to overwhelm.

OT laws were upgraded in Christ. Jews don't buy that claim. New Testament is all about it, flagship books are Ephesians and Hebrews. Moreover, the principles behind the secular laws in the OT really do remain relevant today, such as the laws of jurisprudence (i.e., you don't convict without independent testimony from at least two witnesses, vs. the law back then and even now in Islamic countries that hearsay evidence is admissable). The 10 commandments in principle still make sense, though Jesus took away the adultery law from civil administration (in the woman-caught-in-adultery passage). In sum, you can go through the OT and look beneath the time constraints, yet see relevant principles to use in governance today.

Frankly, the Mosaic law separated what today is called "church and state". There were three branches of laws: ordinances, judgements, and the spiritual code. The Hebrew for these terms vary, but the LXX Greek (written by Jews, translating the Hebrew) is more stable: entole, krimata, dikaiomata. So you can search in your Greek OT for these terms and see they are differentiated.

That being said, it doesn't follow that Christians or Jews should seek to impose these laws on a polity, and really we don't. Among us are a few weirdoes who like the Islamic fundamentalists insist on the law being political. But Israel is a secular state, and so is the US and Europe, etc.

Not saying this answer should convince you that this is the right answer, just trying to explain why it was done, per Bible as I understand it.
ygalg

All_Brains wrote:
I am still not convinced that this how would God communicate with people, using language, time relevant customs and laws that no longer make sense.

I'm not here to persuade you All_Brains. I merely share what I can bring from what I recall from judaism. you once comment, that in judaism there is inherited sin, which is untrue.
instead criticizing by third party, who have no clue about Judaism. I am delivering you from first hand source. however, History is what you need here. someone giving the jewish perspective. or you prefer the Islamic/christian source about judaism?

History he is versed in Judaical laws, tradition...etc handsomely. also he is a physician Wink
BMZ

brainout wrote:
But Avram wasn't Jewish until age 99, when he was circumcized. So his being chosen, was not due to race, but due to faith, Genesis 15:6. Messiah was promised to come from his genes, contracts in Genesis 12, 15, 17. So wouldn't that make "Jewish" both a religion and a race? In which case, as in Old Testament times, if you believed like 2/3rds of the Exodus population did, you were a "Jew"?

So how racist is that, when anyone can become a Jew? Smile


Even when Avram turned 100+, he was still not a Jew and neither were Issac, Ishmael, Jacob and Joseph.

BMZ
ygalg

BMZ wrote:
brainout wrote:
But Avram wasn't Jewish until age 99, when he was circumcized. So his being chosen, was not due to race, but due to faith, Genesis 15:6. Messiah was promised to come from his genes, contracts in Genesis 12, 15, 17. So wouldn't that make "Jewish" both a religion and a race? In which case, as in Old Testament times, if you believed like 2/3rds of the Exodus population did, you were a "Jew"?

So how racist is that, when anyone can become a Jew? Smile


Even when Avram turned 100+, he was still not a Jew and neither were Issac, Ishmael, Jacob and Joseph.

BMZ

how convenient where islamists claim that these personages were Muslims previously to Muhammad, it is 'metaphorically' for accepting Allah while a 'Jew' attribute to Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Jacob and Joseph metaphorically void? a 'Jew' have vary definitions and all of are valid. one of which is, is to recognize the true G-d and sign the covenant (circumcision). by that definition, they were. even Ishmael.
ygalg

biblically they were Hebrews. so is Ishmael.
brainout

BMZ wrote:
brainout wrote:
But Avram wasn't Jewish until age 99, when he was circumcized. So his being chosen, was not due to race, but due to faith, Genesis 15:6. Messiah was promised to come from his genes, contracts in Genesis 12, 15, 17. So wouldn't that make "Jewish" both a religion and a race? In which case, as in Old Testament times, if you believed like 2/3rds of the Exodus population did, you were a "Jew"?

So how racist is that, when anyone can become a Jew? Smile


Even when Avram turned 100+, he was still not a Jew and neither were Issac, Ishmael, Jacob and Joseph.

BMZ


Well, that's what made him Jewish, BMZ, circumcision. Jewish/Hebrew is a bloodline from Abraham upon his circumcision. It is also a faith. See Romans 4, where Paul explains all this. Good to see you!
BMZ

ygalg wrote:
biblically they were Hebrews. so is Ishmael.


Ishmael was definitely what Abraham was. Abraham was the father of the Hebrews. He was from the lineage of Eber from whom had come Hebrew.

A correct example of Hebrews would be the slaves of Pharoah in Egypt. They used to refer to God of Abraham.

When the Jews call Abraham a Jew, it is exactly similar to Muslims calling Abraham a Muslim. Very Happy
brainout

BMZ wrote:
ygalg wrote:
biblically they were Hebrews. so is Ishmael.


Ishmael was definitely what Abraham was. Abraham was the father of the Hebrews. He was from the lineage of Eber from whom had come Hebrew.

A correct example of Hebrews would be the slaves of Pharoah in Egypt. They used to refer to God of Abraham.

When the Jews call Abraham a Jew, it is exactly similar to Muslims calling Abraham a Muslim. Very Happy


God says in Bible that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Sons of the promise. These are the patriarchs of the 12 tribes, and the 12 tribes are the Hebrews. Ishmael was not among them, though from Abraham, because he did not believe in El-Elyon. Same for Esau, Jacob's brother. It's easy to find the OT verses on this, and I'm sure you both know how to find them by searching on those names. So it was the sons of Jacob who went into slavery, not the sons of Ishmael, because the promise of a son ante-dated Hagar, in Genesis 12, repeated in Genesis 15. Ishamel comes along in Genesis 16, but God stipulated it's not him, in Genesis 17, and of course beginning Genesis 18 you have the story of Isaac.

God promised a son from Sarai, not from some other mother; Isaac is the "only son" from that mother, fulfilling the promise God made, back in Genesis 12. That God delayed in granting this son was a test of Abram's faith. That Abram went into Hagar was him giving into Sarai's unwillingness to wait. But both he and she matured spiritually to the point that God justifably could grant their desire and fulfill the promise He made.

This is the point everyone misses: GOD MADE A PROMISE. HEBREWS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THAT PROMISE. It's not a primogeniture thing, but a God-promised-a-specific-son. Salvation is a Promised Son, and that's why Bible stresses the story of Abraham so much.

Jews believe this Promised Son, aka Mosiach, has not yet come. Christians and Messianic Jews believe He has come. But both understand it's about a Promised Son, dating back to Genesis 12.
ygalg

BMZ wrote:
ygalg wrote:
biblically they were Hebrews. so is Ishmael.

When the Jews call Abraham a Jew, it is exactly similar to Muslims calling Abraham a Muslim.  Very Happy

Islamic approach over a 'jew' is spiritual related. otherwise that would be of a problem to consider a 'jew' to become a 'muslim' where a 'jew' biologically related. such notion does not exist in Islam.
present day it does not exist in judaism as well.  
so yes you are correct. a jew is no longer used as a tribal name, but identification of religious affiliation. to say Abraham was not a jew would be incorrect in that line of thought.
David

Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist?

All_Brains wrote:


The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.


No, God is not a racist.  He loves all people.  If God was a racist he would have created only one race.  Make sense?

You are correct, God chose the Jews; they didn't chose him.  He chose the Jews for a specific purpose and not one they earned.   The Covenant with Abraham was passed down through the line of Isaac.

I believe the promise and relationship passed on is not only passed on genetically, but by adoption.  A common belief if you will.
Mutley

Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist?

David wrote:
All_Brains wrote:


The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.


No, God is not a racist.  He loves all people.  If God was a racist he would have created only one race.  Make sense?

You are correct, God chose the Jews; they didn't chose him.  He chose the Jews for a specific purpose and not one they earned.   The Covenant with Abraham was passed down through the line of Isaac.


David, I'm pretty amazed at the way your two sentences contradict themselves.

David wrote:

I believe the promise and relationship passed on is not only passed on genetically, but by adoption.  A common belief if you will.


A common convenient one, if you will.
David

Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist?

Mutley wrote:
David wrote:
All_Brains wrote:


The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.


No, God is not a racist.  He loves all people.  If God was a racist he would have created only one race.  Make sense?

You are correct, God chose the Jews; they didn't chose him.  He chose the Jews for a specific purpose and not one they earned.   The Covenant with Abraham was passed down through the line of Isaac.


David, I'm pretty amazed at the way your two sentences contradict themselves.

David wrote:

I believe the promise and relationship passed on is not only passed on genetically, but by adoption.  A common belief if you will.


A common convenient one, if you will.


I see no contradiction in my statements.
Mutley

God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?
David

Mutley wrote:
God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?


It's not about racism.  It is about faith and salvation.  These Jews were no more "special" than any other race, but God chose them because he wanted his Messiah to come from them.  (He being God can do that, you know?  LOL)  This one Jew would bring all races and all peoples together and make them one family.
BMZ

Mutley wrote:
God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?


Good post, Mutley. God loves everybody and therefore has to love everyone. God knows no favouritism. Anyone who has full faith in God, would be loved by God and will find his/her salvation only from God.

People, through their misconceptions, have made God look like a racist. The Hebrews, under the Pharoahs' ruthless slavery for four centuries, suffered and their faith in God of Abraham never waivered. They remained fiercely monotheistic in their belief of the LORD Almighty and were chosen to be delivered.

Esau was also reportedly from the "Chosen" line. What went wrong? It was not his fault if he was hairy.   Shocked  Rolling Eyes  

Nobody has any monoply of or a patent on God.

BMZ  
David

BMZ wrote:
Mutley wrote:
God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?


Good post, Mutley. God loves everybody and therefore has to love everyone. God knows no favouritism. Anyone who has full faith in God, would be loved by God and will find his/her salvation only from God.

People, through their misconceptions, have made God look like a racist. The Hebrews, under the Pharoahs' ruthless slavery for four centuries, suffered and their faith in God of Abraham never waivered. They remained fiercely monotheistic in their belief of the LORD Almighty and were chosen to be delivered.

Esau was also reportedly from the "Chosen" line. What went wrong? It was not his fault if he was hairy.   Shocked  Rolling Eyes  

Nobody has any monoply of or a patent on God.

BMZ  


Mutley was quoting me.

God shows no favorites.  We all have the choice to have faith in and follow the Messiah.  All Gentiles and all Jews.  All people and all races.
Mutley

I think it's obvious that God was a little bit racist in the beginning. But I have no problems with that. There could be good reasons for that that I would never imagine. But, people were not being chosen based on their individual qualities, they were being chosen by group. So, in other words, in a non racist choice, God would have figured out a personal attribute that he was looking for, and selected individuals from all over to come together. But instead, he selected one contiguous mutually similar lump of people from one spot.
Mutley

BMZ wrote:
Mutley wrote:
God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?


Good post, Mutley. God loves everybody and therefore has to love everyone. God knows no favouritism.


Laughing   Laughing Funny you should use the word favoritism.  Recognize this??

“O Children of Israel (the Israelites), remember and mention the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you amongst all the worlds.” (Quran 2:47, 2:122)

“And indeed We gave the Children of Israel (the Israelites) the Scripture, and the understanding of the Scripture and its laws, and the Prophethood; and provided them with good things, and preferred them above all the worlds.” (Quran 45:16)

So who teaches you this watered down propaganda crap? They should be ashamed of themselves.
Mutley

David wrote:


God shows no favorites.  We all have the choice to have faith in and follow the Messiah.  All Gentiles and all Jews.  All people and all races.


That's now, but that wasn't always the case.
David

Mutley wrote:
I think it's obvious that God was a little bit racist in the beginning. But I have no problems with that. There could be good reasons for that that I would never imagine. But, people were not being chosen based on their individual qualities, they were being chosen by group. So, in other words, in a non racist choice, God would have figured out a personal attribute that he was looking for, and selected individuals from all over to come together. But instead, he selected one contiguous mutually similar lump of people from one spot.


Well, the Jews sure had their faults as a people and some of them had their good points as individuals.  None of them were perfect.   Perhaps God's Messiah was the "perfect individual Jew" who would bring all peoples together, doing for the Jews what they as a group could not do for themselves.  The Messiah is the Messiah of the Jews and the Gentiles, you know.

Someone who is a racist means they think their race is superior to all others.  I have a hard time thinking of God as racist.

Why would God create different races in the first place?  Why didn't he just create one race?  Ah, but he did, didn't he?  He created the human race. Very Happy

Interesting conversation.
Mutley

David wrote:
Mutley wrote:
I think it's obvious that God was a little bit racist in the beginning. But I have no problems with that. There could be good reasons for that that I would never imagine. But, people were not being chosen based on their individual qualities, they were being chosen by group. So, in other words, in a non racist choice, God would have figured out a personal attribute that he was looking for, and selected individuals from all over to come together. But instead, he selected one contiguous mutually similar lump of people from one spot.


Well, the Jews sure had their faults as a people and some of them had their good points as individuals.  None of them were perfect.   Perhaps God's Messiah was the "perfect individual Jew" who would bring all peoples together, doing for the Jews what they as a group could not do for themselves.  The Messiah is the Messiah of the Jews and the Gentiles, you know.

Someone who is a racist means they think their race is superior to all others.  I have a hard time thinking of God as racist.

Why would God create different races in the first place?  Why didn't he just create one race?  Ah, but he did, didn't he?  He created the human race. Very Happy

Interesting conversation.


One may never be able to understand the rhyme or reason as it's probably even beyond the conceptualizing mind. However, I do not deny what I see in the scriptures right in front of me. I guess, to be clear, I should say that the actions clearly suggest racism, however the intentions might be something beyond this concept called "racism" that we invented. Perhaps we couldn't know.

The Bible does one very clever thing. It never truly spells out why God create humans. Perhaps that was very wise, as opposed to the Quran specifically and clearly stating that life is a test for us, and that is it's purpose. Oh boy, big logical hole there that I could go into, but I already did in the debate section under Mutley vs Intellectual Fighter
David

Mutley wrote:


One may never be able to understand the rhyme or reason as it's probably even beyond the conceptualizing mind. However, I do not deny what I see in the scriptures right in front of me. I guess, to be clear, I should say that the actions clearly suggest racism, however the intentions might be something beyond this concept called "racism" that we invented. Perhaps we couldn't know.

The Bible does one very clever thing. It never truly spells out why God create humans. Perhaps that was very wise, as opposed to the Quran specifically and clearly stating that life is a test for us, and that is it's purpose. Oh boy, big logical hole there that I could go into, but I already did in the debate section under Mutley vs Intellectual Fighter


God did say "His ways are not our ways."  I think the Jews just might have gotten a little "puffed up" about being the "chosen" people.  God did give them the law, too.  I wonder if that would turn some Jews into "racists?"  However, some Jews seem to be a bit more tolerant  now days.

I see some Muslims being "puffed up" about being the last religion, the true religion, the religion that supercedes all others.

Mankind was created in God's image to reflect His image on earth. Everything we do should be to the glory of God.   He gave mankind dominion over earth and all that is in it.  Of course, mankind has made a big mess of it.

How disappointing mankind has had to be to the Creator.  No wonder He tried to wipe us all off the earth and start over with Noah, but it didn't help.

If mankind had gotten it right from the beginning then God would have reason to be all "puffed up."
Mutley

David wrote:
Mutley wrote:


One may never be able to understand the rhyme or reason as it's probably even beyond the conceptualizing mind. However, I do not deny what I see in the scriptures right in front of me. I guess, to be clear, I should say that the actions clearly suggest racism, however the intentions might be something beyond this concept called "racism" that we invented. Perhaps we couldn't know.

The Bible does one very clever thing. It never truly spells out why God create humans. Perhaps that was very wise, as opposed to the Quran specifically and clearly stating that life is a test for us, and that is it's purpose. Oh boy, big logical hole there that I could go into, but I already did in the debate section under Mutley vs Intellectual Fighter


God did say "His ways are not our ways."  I think the Jews just might have gotten a little "puffed up" about being the "chosen" people.


It's not them, it's the scriptures. The scriptures themselves say this.

David wrote:

God did give them the law, too.  I wonder if that would turn some Jews into "racists?"  However, some Jews seem to be a bit more tolerant  now days.


This issue was not about Jews. The issue was about whether God would favor one "people" over another. Consider it an algebra formula where you have a 2a and 2b and insert other religions as well. Still the same question.

David wrote:

I see some Muslims being "puffed up" about being the last religion, the true religion, the religion that supercedes all others.


True. But that's a different point discussed in many threads here. You can even start many of your own.

David wrote:

Mankind was created in God's image to reflect His image on earth.


Whoa whoa whoa....where did you get that idea from?

David wrote:

Everything we do should be to the glory of God.


Could be, but I'm not sure, because that statement doesn't really have a specific, tangible meaning.

David wrote:

He gave mankind dominion over earth and all that is in it.  Of course, mankind has made a big mess of it.


That's a different discussion.

David wrote:

How disappointing mankind has had to be to the Creator.


And that would be your opinion of the unknown. Could you imagine a pollster that goes around asking people what their opinion is of things the respondents do not know about nor pretend to know about?

David wrote:

No wonder He tried to wipe us all off the earth and start over with Noah, but it didn't help.

If mankind had gotten it right from the beginning then God would have reason to be all "puffed up."


This is not going to mean what you will think it does the first time you read it. If mankind ceased to exist, life would continue on in all of it's beauty and violence without a single problem. Where would be the problem? No problem at all. We are the problem. Our judgment is the problem.
Servatus

Mutley wrote:
God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?


Actually, God chose to reward a man, Abraham for faith and service. Israel shares in the blessing based on inheritance.
David

Mutley wrote:

David wrote:

Mankind was created in God's image to reflect His image on earth.


Whoa whoa whoa....where did you get that idea from?


From the book of Genesis.

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