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Extra-Virgin-Oil

Mariyah the Coptic slave

Hello

I would like to know if the hadith about the prophet sending his wife Hafsa away so he could sleep with Mariyah the Coptic slave, is true or not? I read that he told Hafsa her father had called her, and when she went away he slept with Mariyah in their bed.
Hafsa returned and 'heard' him having his way with Mariyah, and afterwards she of course remonstrates him. Apparently he threatened to divorce all his wives after that...
Anyway can someone here who is learned in Islamic sources a lot, tell me if this is true (I have only given the jist of the story). I had heard there were other versions of this hadith which give a different story..?

Thanks
Extra Virgin Oil
AhmedBahgat

Re: Mariyah the Coptic slave

Extra-Virgin-Oil wrote:
Hello

I would like to know if the hadith about the prophet sending his wife Hafsa away so he could sleep with Mariyah the Coptic slave, is true or not? I read that he told Hafsa her father had called her, and when she went away he slept with Mariyah in their bed.
Hafsa returned and 'heard' him having his way with Mariyah, and afterwards she of course remonstrates him. Apparently he threatened to divorce all his wives after that...
Anyway can someone here who is learned in Islamic sources a lot, tell me if this is true (I have only given the jist of the story). I had heard there were other versions of this hadith which give a different story..?

Thanks
Extra Virgin Oil


Can ypu please confirm if this allegation is in relation to sura 66?

thanks
Baal

Muhammad should have ordered himself stoned for cheating, like he stoned all those other people, Instead...

Instead, he ran away for couple days then came back with the Ahzab verse permitting himself, and only himself, anything that moved pretty much, Deuce Bigalow Male Gigolo style.

And Ahmed took it upon himself to be the little waiter waiting outside the room telling everyone Muhammad is 'praying' while his leader is inside banging any woman that enters the house.

Muhammad: "Thanx a lot Ahmed. And make sure the wine is room temperature next time you bring it and do not stare so much, you scared the girl. Now when is your sister coming over Ahmed? I miss her plumpy ass."

Quote:
Ahzab 33:50

033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

BMZ

Re: Mariyah the Coptic slave

Extra-Virgin-Oil wrote:
Hello

I would like to know if the hadith about the prophet sending his wife Hafsa away so he could sleep with Mariyah the Coptic slave, is true or not? I read that he told Hafsa her father had called her, and when she went away he slept with Mariyah in their bed.
Hafsa returned and 'heard' him having his way with Mariyah, and afterwards she of course remonstrates him. Apparently he threatened to divorce all his wives after that...
Anyway can someone here who is learned in Islamic sources a lot, tell me if this is true (I have only given the jist of the story). I had heard there were other versions of this hadith which give a different story..?

Thanks
Extra Virgin Oil


Not true. That hadith is a crap. All the ladies lived under the same roof. Mariyah was a Coptic slave when she was given but was no more a slave when she came in the prophet's household. Laughing

All the ladies knew each other, while outside all the companions, the fathers of the ladies and prophet's followers knew. Nothing was hidden.

Hence, there is nothing to get worried. He did not need permission from the ladies. They were his wives.  Very Happy

BMZ
BMZ

Baal wrote:

Quote:
Ahzab 33:50


033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.



You quoted some verses. What is your point?
Baal

BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:

Quote:
Ahzab 33:50


033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.



You quoted some verses. What is your point?

I quoted only One verse if you actually read it. It is the Famous nikah verse that was only written for Muhammad so he can sleep with anyone he wishes.

As for the hadith being crap, who the hell are you to make that statement? and thank you for acknowledging the hadith exists.

And why is the hadith crap. Does it contradict the Ahzab Nikah verse or something? One complements & explains the other. In fact, after reading the nikah verse, why would i even doubt for a second the hadith in question?

Now either answer the verse and the hadith or shut the hell up. Thank you and have a nice day.
BMZ

Baal wrote:

Quote:
Ahzab 33:50


033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.



BMZ wrote:
You quoted some verses. What is your point?


Baal wrote:
I quoted only One verse if you actually read it. It is the Famous nikah verse that was only written for Muhammad so he can sleep with anyone he wishes.

As for the hadith being crap, who the hell are you to make that statement? and thank you for acknowledging the hadith exists.

And why is the hadith crap. Does it contradict the Ahzab Nikah verse or something? One complements & explains the other. In fact, after reading the nikah verse, why would i even doubt for a second the hadith in question?

Now either answer the verse and the hadith or shut the hell up. Thank you and have a nice day.


LOL! Baal, I am going to shut you up and shut you up for good.

I believe you wrote above as a poster, not as a moderator. In either case you acted like an ignorant and an idiot.

What makes that verse the Famous Nikah verse? Rofl.  Laughing Who the hell you are to defend that crap hadith, when you can't understand the verse in Arabic? Are you a follower of Ahle-Hadith?  Laughing

Where does the verse say that it was written only for Muhammad that he could sleep with anyone he wishes. Show me the words "can sleep with anyone.", which you wrote! In Qur'aan the key word is Nikah, which unwittingly you mentioned in "the Famius Nikah" verse. Rotflmao.

One can easily understand the verses without the need of any hadith.

Quoting translations from three translators does not prove that you understand the actual verse. Anyone who does not understand Qur'aan's verses in Arabic will run for Hadith, which you did.

You quoted 33:50 and did not continue through 33:51 and into 33:52., where the topic ends. You claim to be an Egyptian ex-muslim. You should be able to explain Arabic of the verses. Why is that so? Because it fits your agenda in not showing the truth to other readers. Stop this cherry-picking to make your own nonsensical point.

For all Muslims, four wives had been allowed with strict conditions of equality in terms of affection, love, care and maintenance.

For Prophet, the key word was Nikah. NO woman was halal for him without paying her Mehr. Read carefully: "Ya ayyuhan-nabi-iyo, inna ahlalna laka azwaajakal-laati aataita ujurahunna wa maa malakat yameenoka" What does this mean to you, Padre? Even for the "malakat yameen", mehr was fardh made for the prophet. I am sure this is going right into your head, not way high above.  Laughing What does azwaaj mean to you?  Laughing It means wives, not all women or any woman.  Laughing

He had no permission to sleep with any woman as you suggested atrociously because of your ignorance, which is understandable. However, I think you were just being mischievious.

You will be dismissed soon, so do not stand at ease, as I want to discuss the verses with you in the next post, which I will do later.

BMZ
AhmedBahgat

Baal wrote:
Muhammad should have ordered himself stoned for cheating, like he stoned all those other people, Instead...

Instead, he ran away for couple days then came back with the Ahzab verse permitting himself, and only himself, anything that moved pretty much, Deuce Bigalow Male Gigolo style.

And Ahmed took it upon himself to be the little waiter waiting outside the room telling everyone Muhammad is 'praying' while his leader is inside banging any woman that enters the house.

Muhammad: "Thanx a lot Ahmed. And make sure the wine is room temperature next time you bring it and do not stare so much, you scared the girl. Now when is your sister coming over Ahmed? I miss her plumpy ass."

Quote:
Ahzab 33:50

033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.




what the fuk my sister had to do with it, you filthy freak?
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
Muhammad should have ordered himself stoned for cheating, like he stoned all those other people, Instead...

Instead, he ran away for couple days then came back with the Ahzab verse permitting himself, and only himself, anything that moved pretty much, Deuce Bigalow Male Gigolo style.

And Ahmed took it upon himself to be the little waiter waiting outside the room telling everyone Muhammad is 'praying' while his leader is inside banging any woman that enters the house.

Muhammad: "Thanx a lot Ahmed. And make sure the wine is room temperature next time you bring it and do not stare so much, you scared the girl. Now when is your sister coming over Ahmed? I miss her plumpy ass."

Quote:
Ahzab 33:50

033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.




what the fuk my sister had to do with it, you filthy freak?

You are the one who insists on covering up for a guy who told the whole world he is allowed access to anything when no one else is allowed. He allowed himself access to any woman Ahmed, why does it upset you if it is your sister that he gets to have? It does not bother you that he takes someone else's sister, but your sister is like holier then other women or something?
Baal

BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:

Quote:
Ahzab 33:50


033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.



BMZ wrote:
You quoted some verses. What is your point?


Baal wrote:
I quoted only One verse if you actually read it. It is the Famous nikah verse that was only written for Muhammad so he can sleep with anyone he wishes.

As for the hadith being crap, who the hell are you to make that statement? and thank you for acknowledging the hadith exists.

And why is the hadith crap. Does it contradict the Ahzab Nikah verse or something? One complements & explains the other. In fact, after reading the nikah verse, why would i even doubt for a second the hadith in question?

Now either answer the verse and the hadith or shut the hell up. Thank you and have a nice day.


LOL! Baal, I am going to shut you up and shut you up for good.

I believe you wrote above as a poster, not as a moderator. In either case you acted like an ignorant and an idiot.

What makes that verse the Famous Nikah verse? Rofl.  Laughing Who the hell you are to defend that crap hadith, when you can't understand the verse in Arabic? Are you a follower of Ahle-Hadith?  Laughing

Where does the verse say that it was written only for Muhammad that he could sleep with anyone he wishes. Show me the words "can sleep with anyone.", which you wrote! In Qur'aan the key word is Nikah, which unwittingly you mentioned in "the Famius Nikah" verse. Rotflmao.

One can easily understand the verses without the need of any hadith.

Quoting translations from three translators does not prove that you understand the actual verse. Anyone who does not understand Qur'aan's verses in Arabic will run for Hadith, which you did.

You quoted 33:50 and did not continue through 33:51 and into 33:52., where the topic ends. You claim to be an Egyptian ex-muslim. You should be able to explain Arabic of the verses. Why is that so? Because it fits your agenda in not showing the truth to other readers. Stop this cherry-picking to make your own nonsensical point.

For all Muslims, four wives had been allowed with strict conditions of equality in terms of affection, love, care and maintenance.

For Prophet, the key word was Nikah. NO woman was halal for him without paying her Mehr. Read carefully: "Ya ayyuhan-nabi-iyo, inna ahlalna laka azwaajakal-laati aataita ujurahunna wa maa malakat yameenoka" What does this mean to you, Padre? Even for the "malakat yameen", mehr was fardh made for the prophet. I am sure this is going right into your head, not way high above.  Laughing What does azwaaj mean to you?  Laughing It means wives, not all women or any woman.  Laughing

He had no permission to sleep with any woman as you suggested atrociously because of your ignorance, which is understandable. However, I think you were just being mischievious.

You will be dismissed soon, so do not stand at ease, as I want to discuss the verses with you in the next post, which I will do later.

BMZ

He allowed himself to nikah as many women as he wants. Only to himself. And he did. By the Dozen. And your objection is that he had to pay a dowry - mahr? In this case, that is the same as you paying a prostitute.

And you state that I have to read 33:51 and 33:52 as well? Those verses make Muhammad worse, they make him into a monster not just a dirty old man.

In 33:51 he allows himself, and Only himself to *Do As He Wishes* with their turns. He can take one instead of the other with no regard to anything but his dick.

In 33:52 is the absolute BS, after allowing himselg anything under the Sun, it states that he can not marry anymore then what is under the Sun. And it still reiterates that he can have from what his right hand possess.

Btw BMZ, I would not jump for joy so much about the verse permitting Nikah. The word Nikha is not mentioned at all in the famous Nikah verse. It only states that "We made them Halal for you", so I would not advertize the rules of Nikah so much if I were you.

PS: As for being a moderator. I will never moderate a discussion I am in.
BMZ

AhmedBahgat wrote:
 what the fuk my sister had to do with it, you filthy freak?


LOL! Bro. That was a good one.

Baal's comment made me think as if he/she, keeping in mind that I do not know his/her gender, works in the flesh trade. Looks like mainly in procurement department.  Laughing

BMZ
BMZ

Baal wrote:
He allowed himself to nikah as many women as he wants. Only to himself. And he did. By the Dozen. And your objection is that he had to pay a dowry - mahr? In this case, that is the same as you paying a prostitute.

And you state that I have to read 33:51 and 33:52 as well? Those verses make Muhammad worse, they make him into a monster not just a dirty old man.

In 33:51 he allows himself, and Only himself to *Do As He Wishes* with their turns. He can take one instead of the other with no regard to anything but his dick.

In 33:52 is the absolute BS, after allowing himselg anything under the Sun, it states that he can not marry anymore then what is under the Sun. And it still reiterates that he can have from what his right hand possess.


Don't be silly by saying he allowed himself. Only an idiot will say that.  Laughing We will discuss this when I will quote you the verses in Arabic. You will be doing the translation for me.  Laughing

Baal wrote:
Btw BMZ, I would not jump for joy so much about the verse permitting Nikah. The word Nikha is not mentioned at all in the famous Nikah verse. It only states that "We made them Halal for you", so I would not advertize the rules of Nikah so much if I were you.


We will cover this also. I think you will be of great help when I will ask you to translate along with me. Just be patient. It is easy for you to talk silly when you write on your own.  Laughing

We will do that together.

Assuming you are a married woman, did your husband just take you or married you?


Baal wrote:
PS: As for being a moderator. I will never moderate a discussion I am in.


This discussion does not require a moderator. However, If there is a need, only a person who knows Arabic and is good at English, can moderate.

BMZ
AhmedBahgat

BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
 what the fuk my sister had to do with it, you filthy freak?


LOL! Bro. That was a good one.

Baal's comment made me think as if he/she, keeping in mind that I do not know his/her gender, works in the flesh trade. Looks like mainly in procurement department.  Laughing

BMZ



I invited Chicken lies bro to this web site, I passed to him a link to your post about him and told him to join  so we can have him for breakfast

I guess he is thinking about it

we too need to think about it, how would you like him bro?

well done?
BMZ

Translate the following verses along with me Baal

Hellooo, Baal

Could you please let me know how old are you? It is imperative that I should know. Thanks. Here are the verses and please translate in your own English. I want to see an ex-Muslim Egyptian Arab translating it for me and the audience.



يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ إِنَّآ أَحۡلَلۡنَا لَكَ أَزۡوَٲجَكَ ٱلَّـٰتِىٓ ءَاتَيۡتَ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَكَتۡ يَمِينُكَ مِمَّآ أَفَآءَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيۡكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمَّـٰتِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَـٰلَـٰتِكَ ٱلَّـٰتِى هَاجَرۡنَ مَعَكَ وَٱمۡرَأَةً۬ مُّؤۡمِنَةً إِن وَهَبَتۡ نَفۡسَہَا لِلنَّبِىِّ إِنۡ أَرَادَ ٱلنَّبِىُّ أَن يَسۡتَنكِحَہَا خَالِصَةً۬ لَّكَ مِن دُونِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَۗ قَدۡ عَلِمۡنَا مَا فَرَضۡنَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ فِىٓ أَزۡوَٲجِهِمۡ وَمَا مَلَڪَتۡ أَيۡمَـٰنُهُمۡ لِكَيۡلَا يَكُونَ عَلَيۡكَ حَرَجٌ۬ۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورً۬ا رَّحِيمً۬ا (٥٠) ۞ تُرۡجِى مَن تَشَآءُ مِنۡہُنَّ وَتُـٔۡوِىٓ إِلَيۡكَ مَن تَشَآءُۖ وَمَنِ ٱبۡتَغَيۡتَ مِمَّنۡ عَزَلۡتَ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيۡكَۚ ذَٲلِكَ أَدۡنَىٰٓ أَن تَقَرَّ أَعۡيُنُہُنَّ وَلَا يَحۡزَنَّ وَيَرۡضَيۡنَ بِمَآ ءَاتَيۡتَهُنَّ ڪُلُّهُنَّۚ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ مَا فِى قُلُوبِكُمۡۚ وَڪَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَلِيمًا حَلِيمً۬ا (٥١) لَّا يَحِلُّ لَكَ ٱلنِّسَآءُ مِنۢ بَعۡدُ وَلَآ أَن تَبَدَّلَ بِہِنَّ مِنۡ أَزۡوَٲجٍ۬ وَلَوۡ أَعۡجَبَكَ حُسۡنُہُنَّ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتۡ يَمِينُكَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىۡءٍ۬ رَّقِيبً۬ا (٥٢)


Translate each verse separately and put commas and full-stops (periods), where you think it is necessary.

You are allowed to do commentary also to explain each verse. You don't have to rush up. Take your time.

BMZ
Baal

Re: Translate the following verses along with me Baal

BMZ wrote:
Hellooo, Baal

Could you please let me know how old are you? It is imperative that I should know. Thanks. Here are the verses and please translate in your own English. I want to see an ex-Muslim Egyptian Arab translating it for me and the audience.



يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ إِنَّآ أَحۡلَلۡنَا لَكَ أَزۡوَٲجَكَ ٱلَّـٰتِىٓ ءَاتَيۡتَ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَكَتۡ يَمِينُكَ مِمَّآ أَفَآءَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيۡكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمَّـٰتِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَـٰلَـٰتِكَ ٱلَّـٰتِى هَاجَرۡنَ مَعَكَ وَٱمۡرَأَةً۬ مُّؤۡمِنَةً إِن وَهَبَتۡ نَفۡسَہَا لِلنَّبِىِّ إِنۡ أَرَادَ ٱلنَّبِىُّ أَن يَسۡتَنكِحَہَا خَالِصَةً۬ لَّكَ مِن دُونِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَۗ قَدۡ عَلِمۡنَا مَا فَرَضۡنَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ فِىٓ أَزۡوَٲجِهِمۡ وَمَا مَلَڪَتۡ أَيۡمَـٰنُهُمۡ لِكَيۡلَا يَكُونَ عَلَيۡكَ حَرَجٌ۬ۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورً۬ا رَّحِيمً۬ا (٥٠) ۞ تُرۡجِى مَن تَشَآءُ مِنۡہُنَّ وَتُـٔۡوِىٓ إِلَيۡكَ مَن تَشَآءُۖ وَمَنِ ٱبۡتَغَيۡتَ مِمَّنۡ عَزَلۡتَ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيۡكَۚ ذَٲلِكَ أَدۡنَىٰٓ أَن تَقَرَّ أَعۡيُنُہُنَّ وَلَا يَحۡزَنَّ وَيَرۡضَيۡنَ بِمَآ ءَاتَيۡتَهُنَّ ڪُلُّهُنَّۚ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ مَا فِى قُلُوبِكُمۡۚ وَڪَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَلِيمًا حَلِيمً۬ا (٥١) لَّا يَحِلُّ لَكَ ٱلنِّسَآءُ مِنۢ بَعۡدُ وَلَآ أَن تَبَدَّلَ بِہِنَّ مِنۡ أَزۡوَٲجٍ۬ وَلَوۡ أَعۡجَبَكَ حُسۡنُہُنَّ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتۡ يَمِينُكَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىۡءٍ۬ رَّقِيبً۬ا (٥٢)


Translate each verse separately and put commas and full-stops (periods), where you think it is necessary.

You are allowed to do commentary also to explain each verse. You don't have to rush up. Take your time.

BMZ

I am in the mid-Thirties. And the koran has no concept of commas so i find it silly when i read a translation with commas in it.

I have people over for christmas, I will translate when they leave although it is 1:20am and they do not seem to be slowing down yet.
BMZ

Re: Translate the following verses along with me Baal

Baal wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hellooo, Baal

Could you please let me know how old are you? It is imperative that I should know. Thanks. Here are the verses and please translate in your own English. I want to see an ex-Muslim Egyptian Arab translating it for me and the audience.



يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ إِنَّآ أَحۡلَلۡنَا لَكَ أَزۡوَٲجَكَ ٱلَّـٰتِىٓ ءَاتَيۡتَ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَكَتۡ يَمِينُكَ مِمَّآ أَفَآءَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيۡكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمَّـٰتِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَـٰلَـٰتِكَ ٱلَّـٰتِى هَاجَرۡنَ مَعَكَ وَٱمۡرَأَةً۬ مُّؤۡمِنَةً إِن وَهَبَتۡ نَفۡسَہَا لِلنَّبِىِّ إِنۡ أَرَادَ ٱلنَّبِىُّ أَن يَسۡتَنكِحَہَا خَالِصَةً۬ لَّكَ مِن دُونِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَۗ قَدۡ عَلِمۡنَا مَا فَرَضۡنَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ فِىٓ أَزۡوَٲجِهِمۡ وَمَا مَلَڪَتۡ أَيۡمَـٰنُهُمۡ لِكَيۡلَا يَكُونَ عَلَيۡكَ حَرَجٌ۬ۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورً۬ا رَّحِيمً۬ا (٥٠) ۞ تُرۡجِى مَن تَشَآءُ مِنۡہُنَّ وَتُـٔۡوِىٓ إِلَيۡكَ مَن تَشَآءُۖ وَمَنِ ٱبۡتَغَيۡتَ مِمَّنۡ عَزَلۡتَ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيۡكَۚ ذَٲلِكَ أَدۡنَىٰٓ أَن تَقَرَّ أَعۡيُنُہُنَّ وَلَا يَحۡزَنَّ وَيَرۡضَيۡنَ بِمَآ ءَاتَيۡتَهُنَّ ڪُلُّهُنَّۚ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ مَا فِى قُلُوبِكُمۡۚ وَڪَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَلِيمًا حَلِيمً۬ا (٥١) لَّا يَحِلُّ لَكَ ٱلنِّسَآءُ مِنۢ بَعۡدُ وَلَآ أَن تَبَدَّلَ بِہِنَّ مِنۡ أَزۡوَٲجٍ۬ وَلَوۡ أَعۡجَبَكَ حُسۡنُہُنَّ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتۡ يَمِينُكَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىۡءٍ۬ رَّقِيبً۬ا (٥٢)


Translate each verse separately and put commas and full-stops (periods), where you think it is necessary.

You are allowed to do commentary also to explain each verse. You don't have to rush up. Take your time.

BMZ

I am in the mid-Thirties. And the koran has no concept of commas so i find it silly when i read a translation with commas in it.

I have people over for christmas, I will translate when they leave although it is 1:20am and they do not seem to be slowing down yet.


No worries and no hurry. Take your time. You are young and will more time.  Very Happy

BMZ
BMZ

AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
 what the fuk my sister had to do with it, you filthy freak?


LOL! Bro. That was a good one.

Baal's comment made me think as if he/she, keeping in mind that I do not know his/her gender, works in the flesh trade. Looks like mainly in procurement department.  Laughing

BMZ



I invited Chicken lies bro to this web site, I passed to him a link to your post about him and told him to join  so we can have him for breakfast

I guess he is thinking about it

we too need to think about it, how would you like him bro?

well done?


Looks like, you read my mind, bro. Of course well done.  Laughing

You invited him and I am sure he will come and bring along a team. That is good. If Beef_Pie can be done well, Chicken_Pie will not need a long time to be well done.

Salaams
BMZ

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