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ibnishaq

Muhammad name in sky?

Happy new years all!

I was asked to post this here on this forum, so I am posting this. I also posted this on FFI, so sorry if you guys get confused!!


So here is how the situation goes.

* Conference of 400,000-500,000 people takes place in Lahore.
* Many issues are spoken about
* There are 87 Islamic scholars, many prominent and from all over the world; mainly Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Syria
* Sheikh ul-Islam speaks about the name "Muhammad"
* While speaking about it, he draws it with his finger and says "I wish I had a marker board so I could write this"
* Apparently, during his discussion a scholar went to him and said "His name is in the cluds, look" and so her looked and saw it.
* The next day it was the headline of most major newspapers
* It was recorded live on 2 TV stations
* Some Wahabbi's tried to deny it, but a Wahabbi scholar who saw it told them that it DID happen
* It was basically accepted as a miracle

Normally, I would say :"oh, name in the sky so what." I mean we have all seen pictures of the cross in the sky, or all the different cloud illusions that   are recorded daily.
The only thing that makes me think this might be a miracle though, is that it happened during a speech with Muslims, about Muhammad's name, and with hundreds of thousands of people. It was not just some random occurance in no man's land. It happened the moment the scholar was speaking about the name of Muhammad's name.

So my question is what are your thoughts on this? Is it even the name of muhammad?

There is a youtube video showing it, but when it shows it, it does not look like the name "muhammad." For this reason, some have said "no miracle." However, according to many, the video put the film on the sky a little too late, and the light was bright. So let us forget about the video for a second and say that it looked exactly like what the picture shows.

So what are your thoughts and all? Muslims and non Muslims please respond Smile
Pazuzu bin Hanbi

*flashback to childhood when we would all state what different shapes we could see in the clouds…*

Reaching, surely? And why wouldn’t the name Allah appear in the sky instead?
HomoErectus

Dear Pazuzu

Its nothing but another desperate attempt of proving "god" by a "miracle"....

yaaawn...........

that piece with the clouds, the written "words", is just utterly stupid, thats all !

And its been debunked too, there's a thread on FFI dealing with it.

Same with the "numbers-miracle", as well as the "azzan-flower-miracle"....

None of these socalled "miracles" holds ground after looking into each of the cases.
Tvebak

Hi Shaq

Quote:
The only thing that makes me think this might be a miracle though, is that it happened during a speech with Muslims


Of course it ""happened" during a speech with Muslims" cause non-muslims would not be active in searching such a "miracle". A lot of people who have faith in something is trying find "proof" of their specific faith and is therefore projecting "images"/"patterns" etc. on every single element they can think of.

The best thing about these name-"miracles" is that "god" can't figure out which kaligrafi-model to use, if we say that the word at all resemble.

Cheers
Pazuzu bin Hanbi

Interesting how Christians see representations of Yeshua‘ or the BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary), and Muslims see the words of God instead of images. Why does no–one ever see (or indeed, have dreams featuring visitations by) Zeus, Ares, Ardena, Hecate, etc?
Tvebak

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Interesting how Christians see representations of Yeshua‘ or the BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary), and Muslims see the words of God instead of images. Why does no–one ever see (or indeed, have dreams featuring visitations by) Zeus, Ares, Ardena, Hecate, etc?


Well not any more. There problably where some back when those religious figures was "active". For instans some young woman dreaming of Zeus coming down to her and ... well and gets naughty, perhaps as a bull. Or some other having some dreams about a good feast featuring Dionysos blessing the party with "godly" wines.  Wink

Cheers
Pazuzu bin Hanbi

But people used to believe that those mythological entities truly existed. This doesn’t apply anymore. How long before our current deities in circulation cease to exist?
Blind Faith

Shaq wrote..

Quote:
I was asked to post this here on this forum, so I am posting this. I also posted this on FFI, so sorry if you guys get confused!!


Hello Shaq.
Who asked you to post this here..?
The people at FFI or people from an islamic forum..?
If the request came from an islamic forum then can you give us a link to the thread.........?

What amazes me Shaq, is that during mohamads lifetime he was often asked by scholars to prove his prophethood. All they wanted was for him to ask his buddy allah for a miracle and they would believe and follow him, but to no avail.

Yet today all an islamic scholar needs to do is click his fingers and voila!!

It seems islamic miracles are 'ten a penny' nowadays.
All you need to do is believe, 'realy believe'..... Wink  and allah will send you a fish or an apple, or a tomato, or stone, or cloud, or tree with his own (or mohamads) personal squiggly signature...Allah seems to be very busy nowadays Shaq.
Have you any idea why this is ?
Pazuzu bin Hanbi

Mir‘aj!

Blind Faith wrote:
mohamad … was often asked by scholars to prove his prophethood. All they wanted was for him to ask his buddy allah for a miracle and they would believe and follow him, but to no avail.


The Qur’an itself logs the thoughts of people around him that they wouldn’t believe him until he went to Heaven and came back with a Holy Book. Lo & behold, he then had ‘revelations’ how he went to heaven on the back of a white steed! Shocked Convenient… Laughing
Baal

Re: Mir‘aj!

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Blind Faith wrote:
mohamad … was often asked by scholars to prove his prophethood. All they wanted was for him to ask his buddy allah for a miracle and they would believe and follow him, but to no avail.


The Qur’an itself logs the thoughts of people around him that they wouldn’t believe him until he went to Heaven and came back with a Holy Book. Lo & behold, he then had ‘revelations’ how he went to heaven on the back of a white steed! Shocked Convenient… Laughing

And the first thing he visited was the temple of Jerusalem. Which was built during the reign of Khattab's.
ibnishaq

would it have been hard for someone to deliberately do this? what would they have had to do in order to make that name in the clouds?

i am wondering because there are just low chances of this cloud taking this shape when someone speaks about muhammads name so maybe perhaps it was forged.
HomoErectus

Dear Ishaq

Would you now think that "god" is a RABBIT ?

BMZ

ibnishaq wrote:
would it have been hard for someone to deliberately do this? what would they have had to do in order to make that name in the clouds?

i am wondering because there are just low chances of this cloud taking this shape when someone speaks about muhammads name so maybe perhaps it was forged.


Well, I can read and write that language also. The name is correct. Personally, I did not see that.
Thousands of faces and words can be imagined by looking at clouds but that does not come under miracle. I have seen the Roman Jesus and an angry Moses many times in the clouds but that is just my imagination.

All I can say is that if a people, attached and devoted to their prophet, find something looking like his name in Arabic, let them rejoice. They have not done any harm to others.

BMZ
ibnishaq

HomoErectus wrote:
Dear Ishaq

Would you now think that "god" is a RABBIT ?


lol yea i don't at any way dispute that clouds make weird forms sometimes. only this happened when the scholar was speaking about the name of muhammad and he said "i wish i had a marker board to spell his name" and then he showed with his fingers at an islamic conference, and the boom.. it showed in the sky.

so i mean the chances of that are rare rare rare.. so maybe it was made up? but how!

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