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Mutley vs. Intellectual Fighter

OK, here's the first simple question. WE both agree that the Quran tells us that Allah made life a test for us. We also both agree that Allah is all knowing. He knows everything about everything.

So can you explain to me why someone who is all knowing needs to test anything? Isn't the entire purpose of a test designed to discover something we are not sure of? Only non all knowing beings need to test, and it is the unknowing part that the test is designed to satisfy. So how can Allah be both all knowing, and yet unknowing enough to need to test us? He aleady knows everything there is to know about us, right? So this is a clear, problematic contradiction. Muhammad didn't think things through very carefully.

Second problem. If Allah KNOWS that I will go to hell before he even creates me, and we know Allah is never wrong, then can you tell me why he would still go and create me anyway? Why would any being create anything if that being KNEW he was going to end up torturing it? I don't even think Hitler was that sick.

Third problem. The stupid, cross eyed idea of the seal on the heart. Let's say Allah has applied a seal on my heart that blocks me from believing that Islam is a true religion, as the dumb little fairy tale says. In fact, I'm sure you think this IS actually the case. Fine. So someone once told me that I could pray to Allah to remove the seal. But how can I do that? I first have to believe in Islam before I can pray to Allah, right? But the seal is designed to prevent me from believing in Islam. So we have a tremendous logical chicken and the egg problem here.

Fourth problem. Since Allah has already written me off and has decided to actively block me from believing in him, why bother to keep me alive when he has already given up on me and there is nothing I can do about that fact as explained above?

Muhammad had a very hard time with rational logic, and even had many problems with fractions too, as per the inheritance  Laughing

So how can anybody believe in a philosophy that is so retarded and makes glaring contradiction errors unless one was retarded themselves? And how come you've never seen these problems before? Any rational person would recognize these problems immediately. But for some reason, they just flew right past you.

Now, tell me all about how Islam is the superior, rational religion. Laughing

Your ignorance is hysterical, but your arrogance is annoying. You're going to learn a lot here, You are going to learn some very needed lessons and you will stop being so arrogant about Islam.
Intellectual_fighter

Re: Mutley vs. Intellectual Fighter

Mutley wrote:
OK, here's the first simple question. WE both agree that the Quran tells us that Allah made life a test for us. We also both agree that Allah is all knowing. He knows everything about everything.


Ok..

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So can you explain to me why someone who is all knowing needs to test anything? Isn't the entire purpose of a test designed to discover something we are not sure of? Only non all knowing beings need to test, and it is the unknowing part that the test is designed to satisfy. So how can Allah be both all knowing, and yet unknowing enough to need to test us? He aleady knows everything there is to know about us, right? So this is a clear, problematic contradiction. Muhammad didn't think things through very carefully.


Now here comes your erroneous interpretation of All Knowing..All knowing is very well can be interpreted as to have knowledge of everything around the universe and their actions spontaneously..Therefore, this is All knowing...

You as a Human being dont know whats going on in the other side of teh globe in a perticular place ..Or nobody has the knowleadge about whats going on the furthest star located in the furthest Galxies.. But this is known by Almighty God.. Therefore, you see that Almighty is All knowing..

There have never been any contradiction whatsoever...But what  you gotta do is to think. Smile


Mutley wrote:
Second problem. If Allah KNOWS that I will go to hell before he even creates me, and we know Allah is never wrong, then can you tell me why he would still go and create me anyway? Why would any being create anything if that being KNEW he was going to end up torturing it? I don't even think Hitler was that sick.


Lol! Idea ..

This is again lotz of ignorance..sorry if i hurt you..

Allah never said anywhere that it is predetermined for human being..Rather its dependant on the deeds of human for which only We human beings are blame-worthy..





 
Mutley wrote:
Third problem. The stupid, cross eyed idea of the seal on the heart. Let's say Allah has applied a seal on my heart that blocks me from believing that Islam is a true religion, as the dumb little fairy tale says. In fact, I'm sure you think this IS actually the case. Fine. So someone once told me that I could pray to Allah to remove the seal. But how can I do that? I first have to believe in Islam before I can pray to Allah, right? But the seal is designed to prevent me from believing in Islam. So we have a tremendous logical chicken and the egg problem here.



If you knowingly reject the truth in order to get earthgly pleasure again and again,,then Allah could seal your heart..otherwise not...

Believe in monotheism , one only God,,,then plz do a research on the major religion.. You may get the light of truth because many Islam haters in the end reverted as Muslims..

But be rational and reasonable thats what Islam demands from everyone..



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Fourth problem. Since Allah has already written me off and has decided to actively block me from believing in him, why bother to keep me alive when he has already given up on me and there is nothing I can do about that fact as explained above?


Same topic again again,, Described,,,You arent written off,,




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Muhammad had a very hard time with rational logic, and even had many problems with fractions too, as per the inheritance  


Logic is the armour of Islam...Dont worry,,concertrate on the topic All knowing Almighty God.
Mutley

Re: Mutley vs. Intellectual Fighter

Intellectual_fighter wrote:
Mutley wrote:
OK, here's the first simple question. WE both agree that the Quran tells us that Allah made life a test for us. We also both agree that Allah is all knowing. He knows everything about everything.


Ok..

Quote:
So can you explain to me why someone who is all knowing needs to test anything? Isn't the entire purpose of a test designed to discover something we are not sure of? Only non all knowing beings need to test, and it is the unknowing part that the test is designed to satisfy. So how can Allah be both all knowing, and yet unknowing enough to need to test us? He aleady knows everything there is to know about us, right? So this is a clear, problematic contradiction. Muhammad didn't think things through very carefully.


Now here comes your erroneous interpretation of All Knowing..All knowing is very well can be interpreted as to have knowledge of everything around the universe and their actions spontaneously..Therefore, this is All knowing...


Wouldn't all knowing include knowing the future as well? And if one doesn't know the future, could they be considered all knowing? I'm afraid that it is you who is making the erroneous interpretation.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

You as a Human being dont know whats going on in the other side of teh globe in a perticular place.


Nor do we know the future, because we are not all knowing.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Or nobody has the knowleadge about whats going on the furthest star located in the furthest Galxies.. But this is known by Almighty God.. Therefore, you see that Almighty is All knowing..


What about the future? Doesn't "all knowing" include knowing the future?

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

There have never been any contradiction whatsoever...But what  you gotta do is to think. Smile


I'm afraid that it is you who have not thought.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Mutley wrote:
Second problem. If Allah KNOWS that I will go to hell before he even creates me, and we know Allah is never wrong, then can you tell me why he would still go and create me anyway? Why would any being create anything if that being KNEW he was going to end up torturing it? I don't even think Hitler was that sick.


Lol! Idea ..

This is again lotz of ignorance..sorry if i hurt you..

Allah never said anywhere that it is predetermined for human being..Rather its dependant on the deeds of human for which only We human beings are blame-worthy..


But an all knowing being knows the future as well. So what are you laughing about? There's a big fat hole in your reasoning. Who's the ignorant one? I'm afraid it's you. Laughing You still don't even fully understand the initial premise that I raised, let alone shown that you can answer it. And then you laugh, when it is you who is the stupid one? Muslims are such classic pieces of work, and they have no idea of this.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Mutley wrote:
Third problem. The stupid, cross eyed idea of the seal on the heart. Let's say Allah has applied a seal on my heart that blocks me from believing that Islam is a true religion, as the dumb little fairy tale says. In fact, I'm sure you think this IS actually the case. Fine. So someone once told me that I could pray to Allah to remove the seal. But how can I do that? I first have to believe in Islam before I can pray to Allah, right? But the seal is designed to prevent me from believing in Islam. So we have a tremendous logical chicken and the egg problem here.



If you knowingly reject the truth in order to get earthgly pleasure again and again,,then Allah could seal your heart..otherwise not...


You didn't answer the issue. Can the seal be removed? Is there anything that I can do that would cause Allah to remove it? You completely dodged the question. No surprise there.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Believe in monotheism , one only God,,,then plz do a research on the major religion.. You may get the light of truth because many Islam haters in the end reverted as Muslims..


Now you're doing nothing but showing angry frustration. Answer the issues please, rather than going off into the personal.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

But be rational and reasonable thats what Islam demands from everyone..


I am, that's why I saw the problems with this concept.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

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Fourth problem. Since Allah has already written me off and has decided to actively block me from believing in him, why bother to keep me alive when he has already given up on me and there is nothing I can do about that fact as explained above?


Same topic again again,, Described,,,You arent written off,,


Same topic that you didn't answer.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Quote:
Muhammad had a very hard time with rational logic, and even had many problems with fractions too, as per the inheritance  


Logic is the armour of Islam...


Ummmm...., I don't think so, and I think my questions display this. In fact, my whole intention was to display the poor logic involved in some Islamic concepts, and you did nothing to defend it.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Dont worry,,concertrate on the topic All knowing Almighty God.


I am, and you didn't answer it. It all comes down to you conveniently ignoring the fact that "all knowing" also means knowing the future, not just everything that is happening now. Nice try, but it didn't end up working.
Mutley

Shees, it's been close to 2 months and intellectual fighter doesn't have anything to say. But I sure see him other places here. Hmmmm...... Laughing   Laughing

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