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Old Tetament, N.T. Koran

Old Testament, N.T., Koran

How many times, the violence in the O.T. comes up when I quote Surahs (verses) from the Koran instructing its followers to terrorize and kill the infidels (non-Muslims).
- The violence in the OT was as a result of the continuous disobedience and evil acts of God’s people. He (God) was punishing His people.
- In some cases people were acting, on their own and committing all kinds of wicked and evil acts, which God has nothing to do with.
- God tried everything to bring His people to worshiping Him alone. He sent to them many prophets. He gave them guidelines (The Ten Commandments). Still they disobeyed Him Grossly. He was extremely patient. He kept trying for thousands of years.
SO, GOD PUNISHED HIS PEOPLE WHO DISOBYED HIM AND COMMITED ALL KINDS OF SIN.
- While, Allah (Mohammad’s god, the moon god) instructs his followers to be judges and executors:
    “Apostle, rouse the believers to fight.” 8:64
    “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove     you out.” 2:191 The Muslim advocates in the West are saying that this pertain to self-defense. Well, keep reading.
    “Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day…and fight People of the Book (Jews and Christians), who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute by hand, being inferior.” 9:29.  This is still happening today in some Islamic countries.
Here are more surahs to prove that Islam is violent and evil:
4:76,4:74,8:12-13,8:39,9:37,0:73,9:123,9:111
I guess, by now we all know about JIHAD.
Muslims called me a liar. My answer is: those surahs, are they in the Koran or not? If they are, then the Koran is a big lie and not I.
My main English source is a translation done by 2 Saudi scholars in Saudi Arabia, THE NOBLE KORAN. Since I know Arabic and English I can say that the translation is about 90% correct. For instance, some words like enkahoo, which means the “F” 4 letters word was translated to marry.

On the other hand, The New Testament, which, the Christians follow, is a refreshing teaching, full of love and peace.
The Lord Jesus Christ emphasized and demonstrated LOVE to the extent “love your enemies.” Mathew 5:43
Now, if all Christians follow Jesus’ teachings, PEACE would have spread all over the world. Which is contrary to Mohammad’s teachings. And, because Muslims are following the Koran, we are in this mess.  We can see and observe the effect of it all over the world.

However, when Muslims or others try to compare the OT with the Koran as far as violence is concerned, they forget that the violent in the OT was thousands of years ago.
The violence in the Koran is followed to the present time. 2 Different eras. Islam is taking us to the barbarian era.

9/11/01 Exposed Islam to the world. Not enough, but it is a beginning.
If Muslims are ashamed of what the Koran contains, they have the choice:
Either they get out. They are here in a free country.
Or, change the Koran and eliminate the hadith, not only in the West, but also especially, in the Islamic countries.
Since, the second choice is impossible they are left with the first. Which, many Muslims are doing now.
Also, some tried to argue that since the Bible contains the Old & New testaments, Christians are responsible with the violence in the OT.
There is a thematic unity. The OT leaves us with unfulfilled prophecies, unexplained ceremonies, unsatisfied longings and as unfinished destiny. The NT fulfills, explains, satisfies and finishes all of these things.
Jesus said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” Matt 5:17
And He continues; “You have heard that it was said. ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you…whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.” Matt 5:38-39
Also, “You have heard that it was said, ‘you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy’. But I say to you, love your enemies.” And much more in Matthew 5, for whoever is honest and serious about finding the TRUTH.
Also, one should note the fact that Jesus did not force his teachings on His followers: “And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.” Matt 10:14
Also, “If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.” Matt 10-13
In Islam, however everything is by force. The mere relationship between man and his God is largely restricted and censored. For instance, Apostasy (leaving Islam) in Islam is punishable by death.
The sword was and is the way to spread Islam. In the West, since the sword cannot be used, all kinds of deception and cunning tactics are used and without shame.  The Islamic leaders in the West are swaggers, boasters and use double standard. They depend on the ignorance of the average American of the truth about Islam.

Now, a very simple question: assuming, for argument purpose, that Jesus and Mohammad are normal men, one is preaching PEACE AND LOVE, and the other is preaching terror and murder, whom would you like to follow?
AhmedBahgat

Used by date crap

The same applies to you mister confused, as your bible is tough with those disobdient humans, the Quran is tough with the disobdient people who prefer disbelief as well fight the religion of God to send more people astray joining them

Another Tom and jerry argument bites the dust

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HomoErectus

Mister
You don't have a better argument at all !

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BMZ

Re: Old Tetament, N.T. Koran

ronyvo wrote:
 On the other hand, The New Testament, which, the Christians follow, is a refreshing teaching, full of love and peace.
The Lord Jesus Christ emphasized and demonstrated LOVE to the extent “love your enemies.” Mathew 5:43
Now, if all Christians follow Jesus’ teachings, PEACE would have spread all over the world. Which is contrary to Mohammad’s teachings. And, because Muslims are following the Koran, we are in this mess.  We can see and observe the effect of it all over the world.

However, when Muslims or others try to compare the OT with the Koran as far as violence is concerned, they forget that the violent in the OT was thousands of years ago.
The violence in the Koran is followed to the present time. 2 Different eras. Islam is taking us to the barbarian era.

9/11/01 Exposed Islam to the world. Not enough, but it is a beginning.
If Muslims are ashamed of what the Koran contains, they have the choice:
Either they get out. They are here in a free country.
Or, change the Koran and eliminate the hadith, not only in the West, but also especially, in the Islamic countries.
Since, the second choice is impossible they are left with the first. Which, many Muslims are doing now.
Also, some tried to argue that since the Bible contains the Old & New testaments, Christians are responsible with the violence in the OT.
There is a thematic unity. The OT leaves us with unfulfilled prophecies, unexplained ceremonies, unsatisfied longings and as unfinished destiny. The NT fulfills, explains, satisfies and finishes all of these things.
Jesus said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” Matt 5:17
And He continues; “You have heard that it was said. ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you…whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.” Matt 5:38-39
Also, “You have heard that it was said, ‘you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy’. But I say to you, love your enemies.” And much more in Matthew 5, for whoever is honest and serious about finding the TRUTH.
Also, one should note the fact that Jesus did not force his teachings on His followers: “And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.” Matt 10:14
Also, “If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.” Matt 10-13
In Islam, however everything is by force. The mere relationship between man and his God is largely restricted and censored. For instance, Apostasy (leaving Islam) in Islam is punishable by death.
The sword was and is the way to spread Islam. In the West, since the sword cannot be used, all kinds of deception and cunning tactics are used and without shame.  The Islamic leaders in the West are swaggers, boasters and use double standard. They depend on the ignorance of the average American of the truth about Islam.

Now, a very simple question: assuming, for argument purpose, that Jesus and Mohammad are normal men, one is preaching PEACE AND LOVE, and the other is preaching terror and murder, whom would you like to follow?


Firstly, I must say that 911 was a grave wrong committed by Osama bin Ladin and I condemn it. Osama should have turned the other cheek but he did not after Clinton ordered attack and the US Military bungled and goofed up with useless and aimless cruise missile attacks, rained on his camps in Afghanistan, giving him the chance to escape and retaliate. Perhaps Osama had not known what the son of Mary was alleged to have said about turning the other cheek.

Having condemned Osama's attack, you must now leave 911 behind and move forward. Enough irrepairable and irreversible damage has already been done by your incompetent regime in the US.
Just forget 911. And make sure it is not repeated and stay alert. It was extremely idiotic and dumb of US to have allowed it to happen.

Now coming to son of Mary, the man was alleged to have said,"Turn the other cheek." but this is
what he really did not say himself. It was just done to give the man a nice image. I would say good marketing. But in reality, the son of Mary never turned the other cheek. You find him fighting, arguing and using tu quoque with the Jews, making fun of them, talking arrogantly with them and cursing them. The son of Mary was full of anger and hate of the Jews, his own people and he being one himself. We find him throwing tables and chairs, etc.

So, please spare us this love and cheek crap.  Laughing The son of Mary had nothing new to bring and brought nothing new. In fact, after his departure, the God, that the Jews knew so well, became a laughing stock, courtesy the man, who never explained anything.

Cheers
BMZ
HomoErectus

And WHAT "new" did mohammad bring ?

There's hardly anything original in the quran !

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BMZ

HomoErectus wrote:
And WHAT "new" did mohammad bring ?

There's hardly anything original in the quran !

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Muhammad also did not bring anything new. He brought back the God of Abraham, hacked by Christianity. He brought a very coherent message. He did not bring anything incoherent like the mishmash and hocus pocus of the New Tesatment.

Qur'aan also did not bring anything new. It just brought back the true message, which can be found within the Jewish Holy Scriptures.

Qur'aan did not bring anything from the New Testament also, which has nothing new in it, except a distortion of Judaism. It just mentions the main characters, namely, Maryam aka Mary, Esa aka Jesus, Zakaria aka Zeccharias and Yahya aka John and nothingelse.
HomoErectus

Good to see you in agreement that mohammad did not bring anything new...

After the "peace" message of the christians, the new testament...

mohammad had to RE-introduce VIOLENCE to the plan !

GRRRREAT news, isn't it - we need more violence in this world... what a "message" !

Just from the statistical point...

Your always comparing religions will not make your specific religion "more" valid  !

Yet you hang on to that "strategy", like to the notorious CARROT !

0% is no more than 0%

Face the truth !

As you know already, many many people do not "believe" at all, no gods, no hocus-pocus... strong enough to face life without an air-grip.

Facing those, you will always get confronted with the most basic question !

PROVE your alleged "god" !

And its only 0% at this point !

And the rating wont get any higher, now matter how you twitch and twine...

But, I confess its FUN to talk about the details of THE great HOAX ! Very Happy

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HomoErectus

By the way...

HELLO "ronyvo" !

Your input is very much welcome !

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Tvebak

Hello ronyvo

I assume this is your "introduce yourself"-thread...

Peace
BMZ

HomoErectus wrote:
By the way...

HELLO "ronyvo" !

Your input is very much welcome !

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Laughing
Baal

Welcome Ronyvo, good to see you here as well,
All_Brains

Welcome to the forum ronyvo!

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