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Paradise in Islam

The Islamic Paradise or Al-Janna which was invented by Muhammad to bribe the Arabs into committing hideous crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn't obtain in the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.

VIRGINS (HOURIS)

Muhammad knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Muhammad is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...

Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "

Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

In the Hadiths, Muhammad  goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

Quote from Hadiths

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."

YOUNG BOYS

Homosexuality was and is widely practiced in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.

As mentioned in my previous article, famous poets in Arabia glorified homosexuality. As an example I am including a poem in 'Perfumed Garden' by Abu Nuwas:
O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils


Need I say anything more after this colorful rendition by Abu Nuwas ?

WATER

One of the major problems in the desert of Arabia was shortage of pure water. Muhammad  knew very well that to the Arabians, fresh water was an item of luxury. So promising them abundant pure water, river, fountains and springs in paradise would definitely lure them to murder, loot and plunder people of other religions in this life.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 13:35
This is the paradise which the righteous have been promised: it is watered by running streams..

Koran 3:198
As for those that fear their Lord, theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams in which they will abide for ever, and a goodly welcome from God...

Koran 3:136
...These shall be rewarded with forgiveness from their Lord and with gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell forever. Blessed is the reward of those who do good works..

Koran 15:45
The righteous (will be) amid gardens and fountains (of clear flowing water)

Koran 22:23
As for those who have faith and who do good work, God will admit them to gardens watered by running streams..

Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteneous are promised: In it are rivers of water incorruptible;

Koran 55:50-51
In them each will be two springs flowing free; Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 55:66-67
In them will be Two Springs pouring forth water in continuous abundance:Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 44:51-55
As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amidst gardens and fountains...

Koran 56:7-40
...They shall recline on couches raised on high in the shade of thornless Lote trees and talhs; amidst gushing water...


WINE
Muhammad had to find more selling points besides virgins, young boys and plenty of water. What good would be of Paradise without rivers of wine for his followers? Wine was an extremely precious commodity in the dry deserts of Arabia where it was rare to find vineyards. Muhammad  had a problem here- he had to include wine in his 'Paradise-Package' but how could he include it in the list when Allah had declared intoxicants as sinful. The only way to do this was to somehow claim that the wine in the promised Paradise was not intoxicating and therefore not sinful. Never mind the fact that wine by nature contains alcohol which is intoxicating.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised. In it are...rivers of wine...

Koran 37:40-48
But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,...they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them.

Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine:

Koran 83:23-26
The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk...

FRUITS
So far Muhammad  has presented a very appetizing picture of Paradise, but then it struck him that sex is no fun on an empty stomach. Besides that one needs lots of nutrition in order to have the energy to perform with so many Houris and young boys. The prophet was an expert on this subject having honoured every one of his numerous wives and mistresses with a nightly visitation on one single night. Besides the only fruits he had ever gotten to taste in this life was some dates and dry pomegranates. So heaven had to be furbished with an inexhaustible supply of every variety of fruits.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 13:35
This is the paradise which the righteous have been promised.. eternal are its fruits, and eternal are its shades..

Koran 37:40-48
But the true servants of God shall be well provided for, festing on fruit and honoured in the gardens of delight...

Koran 43:68-73
...Such will be the garden of which ye are made heirs for your deeds. Ye shall have therein abundance of fruit, from which ye shall have satisfaction.

Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteous are promised: ...In it are rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; And rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; And grace from their Lord..

Koran 55:47-49
Containing all kinds of trees and delights.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 55:52-53
In them there will be fruits of every kind, two and two. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 55:54-55
...The fruit of the gardens will be near and easy to reach. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 55:68-69
In them will be Fruits, And dates and pomegranates: Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 44:51-55
...Secure against all ills, they shall call for every kind of fruit..

Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with ...fruits of their own choices and flesh of fowls that they relish..

Koran 76:13-21
...Reclining there upon soft couches, they shall feel neither the scorching heat nor the biting cold. Trees will spread their shade around them, and fruits will hang in clusters over them...

But the best was yet to come. The highlight of life in Islamic Paradise is the fact that one doesn't have to go to the toilet. All merciful Allah had miraculously provides a much better system for getting rid of body waste. You simple sweat it out (probably after all that sex or belch after consuming all that fruit and wine)

Quote from the Hadiths:

Sahih Muslim Book 39, Number 6798, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
I heard Allah's Apostle (pbuh) as saying that the inmates of Paradise would eat and drink but would neither spit, nor pass water, nor void excrement, nor suffer catarrh. It was said: Then, what would happen with food? Thereupon he said: They would belch and sweat (and it would be over with their food), and their sweat would be that of musk and they would glorify and praise Allah as easily as you breathe."

WEALTH
Muhammad  wanted to ensure that his followers would not be obsessed with 'worldly things' in this life. So he made sure that they have plenty of worldly things to pursue in heaven.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 22:23
As for those who have faith and who do good work, God will admit them to gardens watered by running streams. They shall be decked with pearls and bracelets of gold, and arrayed in garments of silk.

Koran 43:68-73
Enter ye the Garden, Ye and your wives, in beauty and rejoicing. To them will be passed round, dishes and goblets of gold: there will be there all that soul could desire, all that the eyes could delight in: and ye shall abide there in..

Koran 55:70-77
..They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

Koran 44:51-55
As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amidst gardens and fountains, arrayed in rich silks and fine brocade...

Koran 55:54-55
They will recline on carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade...

Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches..

Koran 76:13-21
..They shall be arrayed in garments of fine green silk and rich brocade,and adorned with bracelets of silver..

Muhammad 's promise of an Islamic Paradise that glittered with the fulfillment of all sorts of worldly desires and sense enjoyment was nothing but a sinister ploy to recruit those who had no hope or expectation of ever getting these things in their present lives. Knowing that they are assured of such a Paradise simply because they follow Islam, Muslims can go around committing murder, rape plunder and loot. It is the picture of this paradise that has motivated Muslims over the centuries to cut down people of other religions, to desecrate their places of worship and mistreat them in the name of Allah. Even after death, the spiritually deprived Prophet of Islam could not see beyond wine, women and food, leave alone exploring spiritual heights of the soul.
Baal

The islamic Janna always struck me as a place that I do not care much for. The good things, I already have on Earth. The mere site of servants will actually piss me off and anger me. I do not want to see people 'serving' me. As I do not want to own slaves. And I will fight against anyone owning slaves.

As for reclining on a couch or sitting in throne in room facing a whole bunch of guys also sitting on a couch or a throne. What makes anyone think I would want to be stuck in a room facing perverts?
Sanitarium

What are you guys on about? It sounds EXACTLY like a desert man's paradise!
All_Brains

Why would anyone be interested in water, fruit, milk, honey wine and sex as ultimate and eternal prize, whisy
all of the above is available in any 7/11 shop on your way to your local "titty bar"!?
HomoErectus

Re: Paradise in Islam

All_Brains wrote:

The Islamic Paradise or Al-Janna which was invented by Muhammad....


I think I am already in "janna", almost all things are already available for me !
I have been to the "virgin" part [palease... no more of those !]
I own a garden with trees bearing fruits, vegetables growing on the ground, and a quite large vinyard [3000 plants], the young boys come from the neighbourhood, I definitely  could use a bit more of "wealth", but its not bothering me.

And as for "huris" - if I need some I can go down to the grocery store and by myself a pound of "white RAISINS", no problem at all !
Very Happy
AhmedBahgat

Hello A_B

I will try to find my comment that I did in the past on FFI  in which I slam dunked your lie about young boys in heaven
HomoErectus

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hello A_B

I will try to find my comment that I did in the past on FFI  in which I slam dunked your lie about young boys in heaven



At this specific point we should maybe also regard the syro-aramaic reading of the quran - luxenberg - pointing at the "white raisins" instead of "huris", male or female.

But maybe we ought to discuss luxenberg and this issue in an extra thread ?
It deserves the attention.
AhmedBahgat

HomoErectus wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hello A_B

I will try to find my comment that I did in the past on FFI  in which I slam dunked your lie about young boys in heaven



At this specific point we should maybe also regard the syro-aramaic reading of the quran - luxenberg - pointing at the "white raisins" instead of "huris", male or female.

But maybe we ought to discuss luxenberg and this issue in an extra thread ?
It deserves the attention.


well I have no problem with the word Horri to mean a virgin woman or a virgin man , whatever they are, their role is obvious in the Quran, SEX and nothing but SEX


I'm disputing the role of the young boys as portrayed by the perverts among the kafirs who only think sex when young boys are mentioned, the Quran clearly told us the role of those young boys found in paradise, something the prevert kafirs deliberately turn a blind eye on
All_Brains

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hello A_B

I will try to find my comment that I did in the past on FFI  in which I slam dunked your lie about young boys in heaven


Hello Ahmed

Sure.

I have to be honest and tell you though that the sex with young boys is a mere speculation. It's just my view since the Islamic paradise has a very strange emphasis on "physical pleasures", specially those appealing to the Arabians and desert dwellers, where pedophilia with young boys was commonly practiced.
AhmedBahgat

All_Brains wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hello A_B

I will try to find my comment that I did in the past on FFI  in which I slam dunked your lie about young boys in heaven


Hello Ahmed

Sure.

I have to be honest and tell you though that the sex with young boys is a mere speculation. It's just my view since the Islamic paradise has a very strange emphasis on "physical pleasures", specially those appealing to the Arabians and desert dwellers, where pedophilia with young boys was commonly practiced.



Great A_B

there is no need for my comment then after you conceded that sex with boys in paradise is a mere speculation

however what I have to say though that this does not free you from your evil thoughts regarding young boys because there is nothing to speculate about, the young boys ROLE in paradise was CLEARLY explained in the Quran

your speculation is motivated by your agenda to defame Islam that's all

cheers
All_Brains

AhmedBahgat wrote:
well I have no problem with the word Horri to mean a virgin woman or a virgin man , whatever they are, their role is obvious in the Quran, SEX and nothing but SEX


I am glad we agree on that! It's very curious though that Allah chooses to reward his people with physical pleasures available to all people on earth today...however was very sought after around the time and place Islam was revealed in!

Also, the Houri moral dilemma poses many questions:

1) Are these Houri created only to be sex slaves?
2) Or were they living people around us here ?
3) What's the fun of having sex with a virgin every night? It's actually quite awful experience "sometimes"?
AhmedBahgat

All_Brains wrote:
Also, the Houri moral dilemma poses many questions:

1) Are these Houri created only to be sex slaves?


yes

All_Brains wrote:

2) Or were they living people around us here ?


Impossible because the Quran said no human touched them before

All_Brains wrote:

3) What's the fun of having sex with a virgin every night?


the word birgin means that they have not been touched before however I'm sure there will be no probs whatsoever, you are trying to compare them to what we know about humans which is invalid

All_Brains wrote:

It's actually quite awful experience "sometimes"?


for the humans yes but with the Hoor, we really dont know, so stop guessing
HomoErectus

AhmedBahgat wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hello A_B

I will try to find my comment that I did in the past on FFI  in which I slam dunked your lie about young boys in heaven



At this specific point we should maybe also regard the syro-aramaic reading of the quran - luxenberg - pointing at the "white raisins" instead of "huris", male or female.

But maybe we ought to discuss luxenberg and this issue in an extra thread ?
It deserves the attention.


well I have no problem with the word Horri to mean a virgin woman or a virgin man , whatever they are, their role is obvious in the Quran, SEX and nothing but SEX



So, you see how sexually obsessed muslims are, even in paradise it has been made THE dominating source of pleasure !

The result of a sexually deprived, oppressed and morally defunct society !

Should make you think, at least on a reality-level !

Women are "bounty", and objects only, to be seen on a daily basis in islamic lands.


Quote:

I'm disputing the role of the young boys as portrayed by the perverts among the kafirs who only think sex when young boys are mentioned, the Quran clearly told us the role of those young boys found in paradise, something the prevert kafirs deliberately turn a blind eye on


This is a matter of interpretation of your islamic texts.
You waive it all - fine.
But are you right ?
AhmedBahgat

HomoErectus wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
I'm disputing the role of the young boys as portrayed by the perverts among the kafirs who only think sex when young boys are mentioned, the Quran clearly told us the role of those young boys found in paradise, something the prevert kafirs deliberately turn a blind eye on


This is a matter of interpretation of your islamic texts.
You waive it all - fine.
But are you right ?


Yes I'm 500% right, now stop acting ignorant and dismiss yourself
XXX

Come on All Brains, i expected better from you. I read this nonsense on some Hindu website.


Quote:
Homosexuality was and is widely practiced in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

You know this is a load of nonsense. You, are well aware of the punishment regarding Homosexuality in Islam, so how can there be any truth behind the claim "In order to please the homosexuals amongst his followers"?
You are also well aware of the attitude towards homosexuals/homosexuality amongst muslims.


Non-muslims might find a perverted meaning behind these verses, but muslims certainly do not. No where in any Islamic literature will you find any support for such a claim that these boys are there for any perverse reason. They're servants and not a single muslim or Reputable Islamic scholar throughout history has claimed otherwise.


You also have to understand that everything in Paradise is beyond any person imagination. Everything there is not anything like its counter-part you'd find on earth. i.e the wine, water, milk, honey etc


Quote:
Muhammad 's promise of an Islamic Paradise that glittered with the fulfillment of all sorts of worldly desires and sense enjoyment was nothing but a sinister ploy to recruit those who had no hope or expectation of ever getting these things in their present lives. Knowing that they are assured of such a Paradise simply because they follow Islam, Muslims can go around committing murder, rape plunder and loot. It is the picture of this paradise that has motivated Muslims over the centuries to cut down people of other religions, to desecrate their places of worship and mistreat them in the name of Allah. Even after death, the spiritually deprived Prophet of Islam could not see beyond wine, women and food, leave alone exploring spiritual heights of the soul.


I think this person fails to understand anything about the after-life in Islam. He seems to focus on these certain things, as if they are what muslims strive for.
Those are only a few things of what the dwellers of paradise receive. The ultimate sucess and goal is to be in paradise, to be with your loved ones and in the presence of God. Not rivers of wine and virgins which the author claims.

My belief is, that it has been the goal of Non-muslims to make everyone believe, the only reason why muslims blow themselves up is for the rewards they get. It isn't because of desperation or fighting oppression but rewards of wine&virgins.
HomoErectus

AhmedBahgat wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:


This is a matter of interpretation of your islamic texts.
You waive it all - fine.
But are you right ?


Yes I'm 500% right, now stop acting ignorant and dismiss yourself



Whenever somebody comes up with a figure above 100%, we can be pretty sure its an exaggeration on purpose, aiming at convincing not only the "other one", but also the speaker of the line himself, acting in forced self-support.

And this is not really impressing, but rather undermining the speakers position...

____________


@ XXX

If you were right, WHY then do we see homosexuality as a common practice in muslim lands ?

Or would you try to deny this fact ?

Get back onto the issue of a sexually deprived and opressed society, maybe then you can possibly hit a nail....
AhmedBahgat

HomoErectus wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:


This is a matter of interpretation of your islamic texts.
You waive it all - fine.
But are you right ?


Yes I'm 500% right, now stop acting ignorant and dismiss yourself



Whenever somebody comes up with a figure above 100%, we can be pretty sure its an exaggeration on purpose, aiming at convincing not only the "other one", but also the speaker of the line himself, acting in forced self-support.

And this is not really impressing, but rather undermining the speakers position...



then how about I post it to you and you prove me wrong?
HomoErectus

One hundred per-cent - you know what it means, don't you ?
And... the only one who will appear "ignorant" is yourself, when using numbers like this, and on the same hand confirming the islamic ways of defence, always wrong and exaggerating in numbers  = irrelevant !

You may very well hold your own opinion of "islam" or the "quran" - will you be "right" in the end ?

It will depend in which socalled islamic land you are at this moment...

Shiites, f.i., will not act very friendly, when you come up with your views.
XXX

HomoErectus wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:


This is a matter of interpretation of your islamic texts.
You waive it all - fine.
But are you right ?


Yes I'm 500% right, now stop acting ignorant and dismiss yourself



Whenever somebody comes up with a figure above 100%, we can be pretty sure its an exaggeration on purpose, aiming at convincing not only the "other one", but also the speaker of the line himself, acting in forced self-support.

And this is not really impressing, but rather undermining the speakers position...

____________


@ XXX

If you were right, WHY then do we see homosexuality as a common practice in muslim lands ?

Or would you try to deny this fact ?

Get back onto the issue of a sexually deprived and opressed society, maybe then you can possibly hit a nail....


Homosexuality is common all over the world, is it not?

Even if it is common in Muslim Lands, how does that prove the validity of the claim, the boys in paradise are for a sexual purpose?

No one in the history of Islam, ever understood these verses in the manner people now days say. Not a single one. What does that tell you about it?
All_Brains

Quote:
You know this is a load of nonsense. You, are well aware of the punishment regarding Homosexuality in Islam, so how can there be any truth behind the claim "In order to please the homosexuals amongst his followers"?
You are also well aware of the attitude towards homosexuals/homosexuality amongst muslims.


Hi XXX

No, it's not nonsense. Let me show you my reasons.

Drinking wine is punishable in Islam. Having sex outside of marriage and to more than 4 is punishable in Islam.

YET, all of the above are considered to be prizes in paradise. By the same token, a punishable offense, if refrained from in life, can be very well the basis of a reward in Islamic paradise.


Quote:
Non-muslims might find a perverted meaning behind these verses, but muslims certainly do not. No where in any Islamic literature will you find any support for such a claim that these boys are there for any perverse reason. They're servants and not a single muslim or Reputable Islamic scholar throughout history has claimed otherwise.


I agree, but there is disputable hint here. I choose to go for the sexual hint, as the Islamic paradise fails to produce spiritual rewards and focus a great deal on the physical side.

Quote:

You also have to understand that everything in Paradise is beyond any person imagination. Everything there is not anything like its counter-part you'd find on earth. i.e the wine, water, milk, honey etc


That's is a very poor attempt at making a mediocre rewards look fantastic! Can you tell me how the unchanged taste of milk (does not go off) be any different than drinking a freshly milked milk every day, which can be achieved in this very life?????

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I think this person fails to understand anything about the after-life in Islam. He seems to focus on these certain things, as if they are what muslims strive for.Those are only a few things of what the dwellers of paradise receive. The ultimate sucess and goal is to be in paradise, to be with your loved ones and in the presence of God. Not rivers of wine and virgins which the author claims.


Please refer me to the Quranic verses or Hadiths that promote the paradise as a spiritual reward being near God.

And what loved once are you talking about? Do you think most Muslim men would want to be with the same wives they had all their natural life....The emphasis mate is on deflowering those virgins every day!

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My belief is, that it has been the goal of Non-muslims to make everyone believe, the only reason why muslims blow themselves up is for the rewards they get. It isn't because of desperation or fighting oppression but rewards of wine&virgins.


I take your views on this. I think this could be a lot complex than just rewards in the after life!

However, I would like you present to Surahs and hadiths that reflect your soft and spiritual understanding of the rewards in paradise.
brainout

AB, it's precisely this depiction of the afterlife in Qu'ran which first made me suspect a demon 'gave' Muhammed the 'revelation' just as he first reportedly  concluded (per the hadith).  It's satire.  Hell surely has slaves and lots of sex, especially the raping kind depicted, where the females are just taken, no love involved.

"God" should be about higher things.  Granted, when we are younger sex is on the brain, but as one ages one finds higher enjoyments, and 'intercourse' with another SOUL's thinking becomes much more satisfying.  Sex is after all rather messy.  Only if strong love is involved between the two partners is it anything more than a rutting or power lust being satisfied.

In America we have oodles of how-to-have-sex books, so it's religified, too.  I often wonder if anyone has fun in sex anymore, it's so fraught with rules and where you put your hands, etc.  Takes all the romance out of it.

Conquest of the virgin, oldest story known to man.  But that's not love.  That's hell.  And how good can the woman be at making love, if she's a virgin?  That's hell for the man, too.  Oh well.

More than anything else, Islamic heaven is a dead giveaway God didn't write the Qu'ran.  It's under the earth, its pleasures are just orgies, no fellowship with Allah is provided, and um -- there's no breeze, none of the enjoyments we have now.  You just rut forever?  Wear nice clothes and preen over your golden couches?  LOL that's hell even up here, outdoing your neighbor, how much worse to have it forever!
AhmedBahgat

Hello All

A type of the perverts of the world are those sick bastards who think sex when young boys are mentioned, they have to be paedophiles in disguise, well the Quran exposes them big times, let's see what the Quran said in regards to the young boys in heaven:

Awaze Quam wrote:
I don't understand the current condemning of homosexuality in Islam.


Because you are a clear cut confused ignorant

Awaze Quam wrote:
My understaning is that homosexuality was practised widely in Mohammeds time.


You are a liar

Homosexuality is practised normal in the USA Australia and the UK, of course in many other countries, but at least those 3 mentioned are the leaders of homosexuality in the world

Awaze Quam wrote:
To please the homosexuals among his followers mohammed  promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise.


You are a filthy liar as I will prove to you in a moment

Awaze Quam wrote:
So the thinking is that after committing plunder,


You will know that it was you who blundered

Awaze Quam wrote:
loot, rape and murder in this life,


Mohammad never committed loot nor rape you filthy retarded and manipulated liar

Awaze Quam wrote:
the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.


Were they made for sex or it is your perverted paedophile mind who think of these young boys as tools for filthy sex?

Awaze Quam wrote:
(QURAN 52:24): "And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls."

(QURAN 56:17): "They will be served by immortal boys."

(QURAN 76:19): "And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls."

Can anyone explain the appparent duplicity?


Does any of the above verses say those young boys are for sex?, well let me ask you another question you ignorant dumb, does the Quran specified the role of those young boys in the Garden?

Awaze Quam wrote:
care to explain your observations?
Or is making generalised, unsubstantied, off the cuff throw away remarks a particular speciality of yours?


Well, it was not me who threw generalised, unsubstantiated, and off the cuff throw away remarks, it was you who did just that by accusing Islam of allowing homosexuality with young boys in the heaven

Now I have to ask ya, did the Quran ever say that believers will have sex with young boys?, anyone who suggest that have a mind of a pervert and possibly is a paedophile, this allegation is nothing but a clear cut lie by the sick enemy of Islam and they keep repeating it for years after been slam dunked fair and square by many Muslims, some clear cut manipulators like piscochot  and others even posted a photo of an Iranian paedophile kissing a young boy on the mouth  to further brainwash those who lack knowledge about this great religion, they are just working hard to create a filthy image about this great religion but they keep failing as the Quran will continue to expose their perverse minds as it always did for the last 1400 years, I don't give a fluke if everyday you catch a so called Muslim sleeping with a young boy, he is not a Muslim from the first place but a clear cut paedophile, contradictory to your lie, most paedophiles  caught are non Muslims.

Firstly the said statement that the Muslims are promised with sex in the heaven via young boys is contradictory to the current reality because we don't see the paedophiles of the world are converting to Islam to share a slice of this alleged paedophiles brothel in heaven imagined by those with  perverse minds like ya who only think of sex when a young boy is mentioned

I have never seen anyone of those perverts like ya explaining any of the Quran verses they post and all it says YOUNG BOYS sex was never mentioned you sick tard, on the other hand the Quran clearly told us what those young boys will be doing to the Garden residents, those boys are nothing but young servants who are circulating around all time long carrying drinks and food to the heaven dwellers and that is what you expect in heaven, to be served by servants, like waiters,  

Did any of the verses you posted  ever mention sex with them?, bloody no, they are nothing but servants and this is obvious from the Arabic words Yatoof Alayhum, i.e. they are serving the heaven dwellers, this was confirmed in the Quran, surely the enemy of Islam don't want to look at it:

17: Round about them shall go youths never altering in age
18: With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink;

[The Quran ; 56:17-18]

يَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ وِلْدَانٌ مُّخَلَّدُونَ (17)
بِأَكْوَابٍ وَأَبَارِيقَ وَكَأْسٍ مِّن مَّعِينٍ (1Cool

-> See, 56:17 is highlighting the role of those young servants in heaven يَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ, Yatoof Alayhum, i.e. Serving them, in 56:18 shown above we read the Quran is telling us what those servants will be offering: With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink, do those young servants offer sex as the sick enemy of Islam with perverse minds imagine?, of course not and nothing in the Quran that suggests the slightest as such, those servants will move around heaven all time long : With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink exactly as Allah told us in 56:18

If we look at 76:19, same refute applies, it seems the enemy of Islam are turning a blind eye on the Arabic words Yatoof Alayhum which means To serve them and clearly 56:18 is telling us that they will be serving goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink, the Quran never told us that those servants will be serving sex as the sick enemy of Islam with dirty minds imagine, let's look at the verse and see for yourself the same words Yatoof Alayhum in it:

And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.

[The Quran ; 76:19]

وَيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ وِلْدَانٌ مُّخَلَّدُونَ إِذَا رَأَيْتَهُمْ حَسِبْتَهُمْ لُؤْلُؤًا مَّنثُورًا (19)

-> See : َيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ, I.e. they are SERVANTS, the enemy of Islam missed for the second time what those young servants will be serving which is mentioned just 4 verses earlier in 76:15, let's have a look:

And there shall be made to go round about them vessels of silver and goblets which are of glass,

[The Quran ; 76:15]

وَيُطَافُ عَلَيْهِم بِآنِيَةٍ مِّن فِضَّةٍ وَأَكْوَابٍ كَانَتْ قَوَارِيرَا (15)

-> See, the same words again : َيُطَافُ عَلَيْهِم, i.e. the believers will be served, served with what?, again and for the second time served with : vessels of silver and goblets which are of glass, will they serve sex as the sick enemy of Islam minds suggest?, again for the second time, NO.

When the enemy of Islam want to cook a lii against the Quran they deliberately drop adjacent or nearby verses that talk about the same context to take the whole thing out of context, they only end up deceiving themselves and others, we can see this shiftiness above when they quoted 56:17 and ignored 56:18, same with 76:19 by ignoring 76:15 and in this example they deliberately ignore 52:23 and just quoted  52:24

23- They shall pass therein from one to another a cup wherein there shall be nothing vain nor any sin.
24- And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls.

[The Quran ; 52:23-24]
 
يَتَنَازَعُونَ فِيهَا كَأْسًا لَّا لَغْوٌ فِيهَا وَلَا تَأْثِيمٌ (23)
وَيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ غِلْمَانٌ لَّهُمْ كَأَنَّهُمْ لُؤْلُؤٌ مَّكْنُونٌ (24)

-> See, the same words again : وَيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ, ], i.e. the young servants will be serving the believers, served with what?, we read it just before it in 52:23: a cup wherein there shall be nothing vain nor any sin, will they serve sex as the sick enemy of Islam minds suggest?, again for the third  time, NO. because sex was never mentioned as those retarded paedophile alike sick humans imagine in their filthy minds

Now I ask you:

Can you show me where i in the Quran we read that those young boys will be serving sex?

If you can't then you need to confess to a priest in a church that you lied against Islam, and while doing so, don't allow him to molest ya

Cheers
brainout

Ahmed, you don't find that disgusting, just the same?  Robot pretty boys?  Serving food and drink?  Why describe them as scattered pearls, anyway?  They have no free will?  Pets?

The entire picture with or without the sex angle, is disgusting.  If that's what paradise is, then life BEFORE death is better, more spiritual.  

Makes me think of a Tony Robbins infomercial.  No thanks.
AhmedBahgat

brainout wrote:
Ahmed, you don't find that disgusting, just the same?  Robot pretty boys?  Serving food and drink?  Why describe them as scattered pearls, anyway?  They have no free will?  Pets?



Because Allah is explaining to us that everything in heaven is beautiful you ignorant, it is not like our servants in heaven will be damn ugly, nor that the sevants must be OLDER than us , it has to be young boys and they have to be beautiful, those with sick mind are the ones who only think of young and beautful boys as tools for sex

brainout wrote:

The entire picture with or without the sex angle, is disgusting.  If that's what paradise is, then life BEFORE death is better, more spiritual.  


what i found disgusting is your ignorance really

why don't you WALK ME THROUGH  all the passages in your bible that talk about the heaven, can you do the walk mister talk?
brainout

Well, you can read them yourself.  The salient passages on heaven are in 1Corinthians 15, Revelation 20-21, and notice how it's all about fellowship with God.  No sex at all.  In the Pub there's a thread about Cosmic Dancer being tired of the polemics we get into (and you and I also are tired of that), so I proposed a spreadsheet where proponents of each faith get to say the features of THEIR faith THEIR way.  So no debate, and no upset over someone else 'getting it wrong'.  In that post, I show a mini-spreadsheet with a few verses filled out in the "Christian" column.  Look for the one which depicts the Afterlife, there you'll see more verses than I post here.

I want us to collaborate on a full database so a reader can compare for himself.  We all obviously have opposing ideas.  But we too often get into debates and the actual content of each faith gets shoved out.  We need to do a collaborative database instead.

This idea about slaves and servants is one of the big differences between Islam and Bible's heaven.  Hence you reading the material on your own is probably a better idea than my telling you.  But actually read it when you have time, Ahmed.  Don't go by hearsay.

And I hope you got your billing project done.  As for mine, the clients put it off and later on today I have to work, lol.  So I won't be back here next week. Sad  Will miss you.

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