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Prophet Muhammed in Hindu Scriptures

Prophet Muhammed in Hindu Scriptures

by By: Prof. Pundit Vaid Parkash





***** The Last Kalki Autar (Messenger) that the Veda has foretold and who is waited on by Hindus is the Prophet Muhammed ibn Abdullah (saw) *****



A recently published book in Hindi has raised a lot of hue and cry all over India. In the event of the author being Muslim, he would have been jailed AND a strict ban would have certainly been imposed on the printing and the publishing of the book.

The author of this important research work "Kalki Autar" i.e. "Guide and Prophet of whole universe" comes of a Bengali race and holds an important portfolio at Ilahabad University. Pundit Vaid Parkash is a Brahman Hindu and a well known Sanskrit scholar and research workder.


Pundit Vaid Parkash, after a great deal of toil and hard-work, presented the work to as many as eight great Pundits who are themselves very well known in the field of research in India, and are amongst the learned religious leaders. Their Pundits, after thorough study of the book, have acknowledged this to be true and authentic research work.


Important religious books of India mention the guide and prophet by the specific name of "Kalki Autar" it denotes the great man Muhammed (saw) who was born in Makkah. Hence, all Hindus where-ever they may be, should wait no longer for any other 'kalik autar' but to embrace Islam and follow in the footsteps of the last Messenger of Allah (swt) who was sent in the world about fourteen hundred years ago with a mission from Him and after accomplishing it has long ago departed this world. As an argument to prove the authenticity of his research, Pundit Vaid Parkash quotes from the Veda, a sacred book among Hindus:

1. Veda mentions that 'kalki autar' will be the last Messenger/Prophet of Bhagwan (Allah) to guide the whole world. Afer quoting this reference the Pundit Parkash says that this comes true only in the case of Muhammed (saw).


2. According to a prophecy of Hinduism, 'kalki autar' will be born in an island and that is the Arab territory which is known as 'jazeeratul Arab'.


3. In the 'sacred' book of Hindus the father's name of 'kalki autar' is mentioned as 'Vishnu Bhagat' and his mother's name as 'somanib'. In sanskrit, 'vishnu' stands for Allah (swt) and the literal meaning of 'bhagat' is slave.


'Vishnu Bhagat' therefore, in the Arabic language will mean Allah's slave (Abdullah). 'Somanib' in Sanskrit means peace and tranquilty which in arabic is denoted by the word 'Amina'. Whereas the last Messenger Muhammed's (saw) father and mother's names were Abdullah and Amina respectively.

4. In the big books of Hindus, it is mentioned that 'kalki autar' will live on olive and dates and he will be true to his words and honest. In this regard Pundit Parkash writes, "This is true and established only in the case of Muhammed (saw)".


5. Veda mentions that 'kalki autar' will be born in the respected and noble dynasty of his land. And this is also true as regards Muhammed (saw) as he was born in the respected tribe of Quraish who enjoyed great respect and high place in Makkah.


6. 'Kalki Autar' will be taught in the cave by Bhagwan through his own messenger. And it is very true in this matter. Muhammed (saw) was the only one person in Makkah who has taught by Allah's Messenger Gabriel in the cave of Hira.


7. It is written in the books which Hindus believe that Bhagwan will provide 'Kalki autar' with the fastest of a horse and with the help of which he will ride around the world and the seven skies/heavens. The riding on 'Buraq' and 'Meraj' by the Prophet Muhammed (saw) proves what?


8. It is also written in the Hindus' books that 'kalki autar' will be strengthened and heavily helped by Bhagwan. And we know this fact that Muhammed (saw) was aided and reinforced by Allah (swt) through His angels in the battle of Badr.

9. Hindus' books also mention that 'kalki autar' will be an expert in horse riding, arrow shooting, and swordsmanship. What Pundit Vaid Parkash comments in this regard is very important and worth attention and consideration. He writes that the age of horses, swords, and spears is long ago gone and now is the age of modern weapons like tanks, missiles, and guns, and therefore it will be unwise to wait for 'kalki autar' bearing sword and arrows or spears. In reality, the mention in our books of 'kalki autar' is clearly indicative of Muhammed (saw) who was given the heavenly book known as Al-Qur'an.



To all, no mockery , plz be logical in reasoning.


Peace.
HomoErectus

Re: Prophet Muhammed in Hindu Scriptures

Intellectual_fighter wrote:
Prophet Muhammed in Hindu Scriptures

by By: Prof. Pundit Vaid Parkash


Oh, my banana......
Here comes the flood!

This nonsense is being seen all over muslim pages, all over the internet, yet this fact does  not make it "true" !

Just another stunt!
Like the notorious "azzan flower miracle" !

Btw, great "reasoning", to use one fairy tale, about a fairy tale, to "prove" just another fairy tale !

duh.....

And its not the first time this faulty interpretation comes up.
read here !
MUHAMMAD IS NOT IN THE HINDU SCRIPTURES

And what makes the guy believe that - just a little detail - the avatar vishnu is referring to "allah" ?
By WHAT reasoning ?
I always thought that vishnu refers to vishnu, and to rama, no doubt ?

Do you  - side question - know what an avatar is ?
And how many gods are there in hindu religion ?
Intellectual_fighter

Re: Prophet Muhammed in Hindu Scriptures

HomoErectus wrote:



Oh, my banana......
Here comes the flood!


Do hold your self tightly. Laughing

HomoErectus wrote:
This nonsense is being seen all over muslim pages, all over the internet, yet this fact does  not make it "true" !


hellow, dear let be logical, plz dont be ironical Razz

HomoErectus wrote:
Just another stunt!
Like the notorious "azzan flower miracle" !


No stunt works with out being perfect.
Its just truth! You will see it in timw to time but unfortuantely just avoid it!

Doesnt matter, everybody is for himself. Do your job!

HomoErectus wrote:
Btw, great "reasoning", to use one fairy tale, about a fairy tale, to "prove" just another fairy tale !


Huh! I laugh to see the reasoning!!



HomoErectus wrote:
duh.....

And its not the first time this faulty interpretation comes up.
read here !


Cmnn! Its not me, or a devoted Muslim who interpreted!! Its a high profile Hindu Scholar. Cmnn man.



HomoErectus wrote:
And how many gods are there in hindu religion ?




Counter question,...1. Do you know which book is the Holiest Book of hindu religion!
Tvebak

Hi IF

I tried to search on this "Pundit Vaid Parkash" and nothing really came up besides sites talking about the book you refered to. Could you give a reference to that man really exists?

Furthermore I could not find any book titled the "Kalki Autar", but I guess it would be written in hindu.

I have on the other hand found this website arguing against the socalled 'prophesy'.:
http://muhammadinhinduism.tripod.com/id6.html

Cheers

PS. The Baha'i also claims to be the possesor of the "kalki autar"  Very Happy
HomoErectus

another reply from an expert here...

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hinduwoman
March 1, 2003, 09:31 PM


Oh Krishna, not more mis-propaganda again!

(i) Has Vaid Prakash converted to Islam? If not, does he not have confidence in his own research?

(ii) Vedas do not mention Kalki. the whole avatara cycle comes after Vedas were composed. So the scholarship of the pundit is gravely in doubt.

(iii) which prophecy says in what book 'kalki autar' will be born in an island and that is the Arab territory which is known as 'jazeeratul Arab'

(iv) The father's name is not vishnubhagat but vishnuyasha, which means the GLORY of Vishnu if anything, not slave. The mother's name is NOT mentioned.

(v) Kalki is not the messenger of god. He is the incarnation of God, which is very different.

(vi) Just where is it written that "it is mentioned that 'kalki autar' will live on olive and dates and he will be true to his words and honest. " Give reference instead of vaguely mentioning big books.

(vii) Kalki will not be taught by anyone since he is God himself.

REFERENCES, REFERENCES, REFERENCES,

(viii) The coming of Kalki will herald apocalypse, but the world is still here. No doubt to the tribes enslaved by Islam it did seem like end of the world :boohoo:

THE LAST POINT is the silliest, he writes that...
"the age of horses, swords, and spears is long ago gone and now is the age of modern weapons like tanks, missiles, and guns, and therefore it will be unwise to wait for 'kalki autar' bearing sword and arrows or spears. In reality, the mention in our books of 'kalki autar' is clearly indicative of Muhammed (saw) who was given the heavenly book known as Al-Qur'an. "

the Muslims simply has not thought this through. Rivers, so you think allah is not capable of of creating a horse faster than a jet, or a sword mightier than a missile?
So allah is not omnipotent after all.! Very Happy
Intellectual_fighter

HomoErectus wrote:

(i) Has Vaid Prakash converted to Islam? If not, does he not have confidence in his own research?


You and I , nobody knows. Most probably yes.

And it it is yes.


HomoErectus wrote:
(ii) Vedas do not mention Kalki. the whole avatara cycle comes after Vedas were composed. So the scholarship of the pundit is gravely in doubt.


Vedas also prophesised Muhammad(pbuh) . Need refereces?..

in the Rigveda

Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:
in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

i could provide many more

HomoErectus wrote:
(iii) which prophecy says in what book 'kalki autar' will be born in an island and that is the Arab territory which is known as 'jazeeratul Arab'



. According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:


"The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations."

The Prophecy states that:

i. The evil doers have corrupted the Arab land.

ii. Arya Dharma is not found in that land.

iii. The Indian Raja need not go the Arab land since his purification will take place in India after the musalmaan will arrive in India.

iv. The coming Prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people.

v. The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised. They will be without a tail on the head and bear a beard and will create a great revolution.

vi. They will announce the Aadhaan, i.e. ‘the Muslim call for prayer’.

vii. He will only eat lawful things and animals but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places:


 
HomoErectus wrote:
(iv) The father's name is not vishnubhagat but vishnuyasha, which means the GLORY of Vishnu if anything, not slave. The mother's name is NOT mentioned.


Cool ...Good lying! 'vishnu' stands for Allah (swt) and the literal meaning of 'bhagat' is slave.
So Arabic translation is Abdullah.




HomoErectus wrote:
(v) Kalki is not the messenger of god. He is the incarnation of God, which is very different.


According to vedas, there is nothing that can be called incarnation of God.




 
HomoErectus wrote:
(vi) Just where is it written that "it is mentioned that 'kalki autar' will live on olive and dates and he will be true to his words and honest. " Give reference instead of vaguely mentioning big books.


There are plenty of references.


The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:

a. Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.

b. Mantra 2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.

c. Mantra 3
He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.

d. Mantra 4
Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.

i. The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).

The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.

ii. He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah. The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, "A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an *** and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath".

iii. This mantra gave the Rishi's name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).

HomoErectus wrote:
(vii) Kalki will not be taught by anyone since he is God himself.


Again, a hard try to move the topic out of context. Kalki Avatar is not a God, he is a messenger of God. Hindu's ideas of god being inarnated is truley an erroneous one.

Muhammad(pbuh) was an illiterate person, he neither could read nor could write. think.

In vedas , it is mentoined that There is only one God and he is shapeless and he is all power ful. Whenever  anyone tries to give a shape to god, he is not a GOd, there incarnation is a faulty belief. Vedas doesnt support that.







HomoErectus wrote:
(viii) The coming of Kalki will herald apocalypse, but the world is still here. No doubt to the tribes enslaved by Islam it did seem like end of the world :boohoo:


Kalki avater is called the last messenger. And we all know that Muhammad(pbuh) is the last and final messenger of Almighty. Jesus(pbuh), moses(pbuh), none claimed that they were the last messenger of Almighty.





HomoErectus wrote:
THE LAST POINT is the silliest, he writes that...
"the age of horses, swords, and spears is long ago gone and now is the age of modern weapons like tanks, missiles, and guns, and therefore it will be unwise to wait for 'kalki autar' bearing sword and arrows or spears. In reality, the mention in our books of 'kalki autar' is clearly indicative of Muhammed (saw) who was given the heavenly book known as Al-Qur'an. "

the Muslims simply has not thought this through. Rivers, so you think allah is not capable of of creating a horse faster than a jet, or a sword mightier than a missile?
So allah is not omnipotent after all.! Very Happy


Here the writer showed his ignorance. Why! The horse that we are talking about is the horse called Borak given by Allah to Muhammad(pbuh) , and guess how much speedy it was,
Certainly Million  fold  speedier that todays rockets, and that made possible of Inter-Universe journey, Miraj, thats what believe.


Therefore, the prophecy matched perfectly.


Very Happy

Any more query.
Tvebak

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

You and I , nobody knows. Most probably yes.

And it it is yes.


Could you give me a reference that verify that this man exists? I was not able to find him on the net as I wrote above.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:
Vedas also prophesised Muhammad(pbuh) . Need refereces?..

in the Rigveda

Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:
in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

i could provide many more


Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:
9 With all-outstripping chariot-wheel, O Indra, thou far-famed, hast overthrown the twice ten Kings of men,
With sixty thousand nine-and-ninety followers, who came in arms to fight with friendless Suśravas.
Source Sacred Texts

in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:
8. I from my Father have received deep knowledge of eternal Law:
I was born like unto the Sun.
Source Sacred Texts

Is this prophecies?

But anyways I have over things to do right now, but I found another comment on this "prophesy":

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This article is being circulated around the internet by email and through many Islamic websites referring to a book by one Prof. Pundit Vaid Parkash, which purportedly says that Kalki, the last Avtar of Vishnu and for Hindus who is the Awaited One, is none but the Prophet Mohammed.

I ignored them earlier as the matter proclaimed in the article is completely based on imaginary facts, similar to the fake quatrains of Nostradamus which were being circulated after 9/11. A lie repeated thousand times is gradually accepted as truth. It is time that someone tackle this issue head-on. It has come to such a situation that a person searching the Net for Kalki will come up only with the (mis) information that Prophet Mohammed was mentioned in the Hindu scriptures as the Awaitred One.

The article can be read in a number of Islamic websites. One such URL is the following : http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywo...phet_hindu.htm . I am not repeating the texts. Other sites basically copy the same article along with their own commentaries.

The problem with the prophecies relating to Kalki is that very few people know the details of these prophecies. Due to this, it is quite easy to mislead people by presenting certain imaginary facts and interpretations. Judging from some of the Islamic websites, it seems that some of them really believe Prophet Mohammed was mentioned in the Hindu scriptures as Kalki, simply relying on that article, without bothering to verify the facts. Here is a line by line rebuttal on why it is not so. I may not be the authority on Kalki but at least I’ve read the original book. The English translation of parts of the “Kalki Puran” in this site is quite good and I have referred to those below while presenting my points.


Para-1 : It has been wrongly said that Kalki has been mentioned in the Vedas. Nowhere in the four Vedas has Kalki been ever mentioned. Kalki has been mentioned in the “Puranas” – namely, the “Vishnu Puran” (one of the 18 major Puran) and the “Kalki Puran” (a minor Puran).

Para-2: I have not heard any hue and cry about this purported book in India in Hindi and I’m a Hindi speaking guy. About putting the author in jail had he been a Muslim, well many Muslims in India regularly write such things about Hindu religion and still go scot-free. And when Muslims write such things about Islam, their books get banned. Example – Salman Rushdie for writing “Satanic Verses”. You see, in a democracy, politicians are overtly conscious about minority rights but forget about majority sentiments.

Para-3: No one has ever heard of a “Pundit Vaid Parkash” in India. It’s a concocted name and there is surely no renowned Sanskrit scholar of that name in India. He is said to be holding an important portfolio in “Ilahabad University”, which I take to be Allahabad University. The website of that University is http://www.allduniv.edu . Check out the faculty list of that university (I hope he was not a student  ). No such person in the faculty. The guy writing the article thought he was clever. But everything’s online these days.

The said “Pundit Vaid Parkash” is said to be coming from the “Bengali race”. The fact is that Bengalis don’t have names like “Pundit Vaid Parkash”. Ask any Bengali. And why would a Bengali write a book in Hindi? He could have used English (which would have a greater readership all over India) or even Bengali.

Para-4: Here comes “Eight great Pundits”. Who are they and what are their names? Maybe the author of the article could not devise more Hindu names other than “Pundit Vaid Parkash”.

Para-5: “All Hindus should embrace Islam … should not wait for any other Kalki Autar” – Ha ! that’s the whole idea behind this (mis)information, isn’t it? Caught ya !

In Kalki Puran the birth place of Kalki is in a village called “Sambhal”. Do you think it is a codename for Mecca in some way? Beats me.

Para-6 (Sl.1) : It is the Purans, namely the Vishnu Puran and Kalki Puran and not the Vedas which said that Kalki will be the last Avtar of Vishnu. How does it make him Mohammed? Islamic texts themselves prophesize the second coming of the Christ (Isa, son of Mariam) in the future! This “well known scholar” cannot distinguish between the Vedas and the Puranas which every ordinary Hindu can !

Para-7 (Sl.2): Which Hindu prophecy says that Kalki will be born in an Island? Kalki Purana mentions that Kalki will be born in “Sambhal” village which is in the mainland; only during his marriage with “Padma” he will travel to the island “Sinhala”.

Para-8 (Sl.3): Absolute .! The father of Kalki, according to both Vishnu Puran and Kalki Puram is “Vishnujasha” (not Vishnu Bhagat, as the Islamic rumormongers claim) and the name of his mother is “Sumati”, not Somanib. To quote Kalki Puran -

Afterwards, Sumati, the wife of Vishnujasha became pregnant.... Kalki descended to earth (as a human) in the month of Baisakha on the 12th day after the full moon

~ Kalki Purana, I[2], Verses 11 and 15
Obviously, the twisting of the names had been done to make their names look like the translation of the names of the parents of Prophet Mohammad. Even that translation is faulty.

Para-9 (Sl.4): Every avtar of God is true and honest. That’s not the sole prerogative of Prophet Mohammed. As for Kalki living on olive and dates, this is completely fictitious. In fact in Kalki Purana Chapter III[17], Verse 43, Kalki and his wife is shown to have been feasting on rice, curd and other milk products.

Para-10 (Sl.5): All avtars are born in a noble and respected family (not dynasty – the term is applied to royal families. Kalki was not born in a royal family). How does that make Kalki the same person as Prophet Mohammed? Was Mohammed the only person to be born in a noble and respected family?

Para-11 (Sl.6): Kalki was taught by his “Guru” named Ram in the “mahendra” mountain. Nowhere is it said in Kalki Puran that his Guru was a messenger of God. Ram lived on a mountain – but nowhere is it mentioned that either he or Kalki lived in a cave.

Para-12 (Sl.7): Did Prophet Mohammed have two horses? Well Kalki will be provided only one. And I do not think Mohammed managed to ride to heaven and skies with his horses.

Para-13 (Sl.Cool: It’s a foregone conclusion that an incarnation of God on earth will have the powers of God. How does that make Kalki the same as Prophet Mohammed? By the way, Kalki is an incarnation of God Himself. As per Islamic tradition, Mohammed was God’s messenger.

Para-14 (Sl.9): A very foolish conclusion. Even today, military personnel in many parts of the world are taught horse riding and swordsmanship during their training as part of military tradition and valour. Does that mean that they fight with these weapons? In a prophecy, weapons of the future are described in the nearest term understandable at that time. Similar terms had been used by Nostradamus too in his prophecies. And if you think that Kalki Puran mentions Kalki fighting with ancient weapons, how about this?

Soon they entered the city of Bishasan, the capital of Koli, and burnt down the city using fiery missile. Alongwith the city, Koli too was burnt and his sons and relatives were destroyed.
~ Kalki Purana, III[7], Verses 9 & 10
I hope that the para-wise rebuttal above is sufficient to prove that the concocted article, purportedly written by a Hindu Pundit yet prominently being displayed in various Islamic websites is nothing but a trash of lies and was devised with an obvious ulterior motive in mind.

Before concluding I will provide some more quotes from Kalki Purana to show its modern context and that it could not have spoken about Prophet Mohammed –

1. Soon, Garga (an associate of Kalki) and his army killed 6000 Buddhist soldiers. Bharga and his soldiers killed and injured 11 million enemy soldiers and his mighty allies killed 2500 of them. Kobi along with his sons killed 2 million enemy soldiers, Pragya killed 1 million and Sumantu killed 5 million soldiers ~ Kalki Purana, II[7], Verses 5, 6, 8, 9

It seems that Kalki and his allies kill or injure an army which is almost 20 million strong. How many million men did Mohammed kill in his battles? In fact this type of huge army can be conceived in the modern times only. Also, did Mohammed ever fight this many Buddhists or anyone at all?

2. This island (Sinhala) is situated on the other side of the shore. The island has pure water and is full of people. Full of various types of Aircrafts and decorated with jewellery. The beauty of the island is enhanced by huge buildings and flags and gates decorated in front of them ~ Kalki Purana, II[1], Verses 39, 40, 41

The interesting part of the description of the island where Kalki's wife-to-be stays is that apart from the huge buildings that the island city has, its sky is also full of Aircrafts! Was there aircrafts in Prophet Mohammad’s time? In the later chapters of Kalki Puran, Kalki himself was said to be traveling on such an Aircraft. Did Mohammed do that?

3. Lord Kalki, along with his soldiers armed with various types of weapons engaged in war with Kok and Bikok. These two brothers are supreme demons, great fanatics and adept in the art of war. These brothers are intimately connected, powerful, hard to defeat and are even feared by the Gods.

~ Kalki Purana, III[6], Verses 43 & 44

The surprise elements here are the description of the war with brothers called "Kok and Bikok", who are allied with Koli. These are surely Gog and Magog described in the Biblical book of Revelations and "Yajooj and Majooj" described in the Islamic prophecies. This is the final nail in the coffin for the mischievous article. The Yajooj/Majooj war (Gog/Magog in the Bible) is the war, in which Christ during His second coming will fight during the end of the world. Prophet Mohammed did not fight this war. This war is predicted for the future in the Islamic and Biblical prophecies.

We can thus definitely conclude that Kalki will appear in the future and is not Prophet Mohammed by any means. Claiming so can only be the work of a deceiver. However, it is the Muslims who are only deceived by all these ., not the Hindus.

Source:Ikastara

Cheers
infidel

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wel, ppl i'v tried to transliate and translate da sanskrit text

text of bhavishya purana, taken from here

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/purana0.html

posted by DR Z HAQ, an ally of DR LIER NAIK

translation by Dr Lier Naik

http://www.islam101.com/religions/hinduism/Mhs.htm

background of the verses!!

The ‘Pratisarg parva’ of Bhavishya Puran , 3rd khand

“The Shalivahan’s had ten generations. They reigned for 500 years and when they departed there remained no limitations of the Bhoolok for them. The tenth King, Raja ‘Bhoj’ was powerful. He with ten thousand soldiers, Brahmins & Kalidas set off for universal conquest. Crossing the Sindhu, he conquered the ‘Mlencch’ in Gandhar and the ‘Shath’ in Kashmir. King Bhoj grabbed their treasure and then punished them.

In the mean time, an illusory mlencch named Mahamadh ............

3rd khand 5-27


mahamadh ithi khayat, shishya-sakha-samniviyath 5
nupyashav mahadev marusthal nivasinam.
bhojne mahadevthe snanya-pya punch-gavua samnivithya
chandan-adhi bhirmav-charya tuvach mansa haram 6
bhojraj ucchav: namaste girijanath-marusthal-nivasine
tripurarsur-nashav bahu-maya pravathiney 7
malech-dharma shav shudhaya sat-chit-anandaya swarupye,
thva ma hei kinkare vidhii sharanaghatham 8

popular in here muhamad, with diciples and friends.`
lord of all arts mahadev[shiva], situated in desert!
king bhoj bathed mahadeva with punch-gavya[ 5 products of cow]
sandelwood etc,. within his mind.
bhojraj devotionally said: namaste o' girijanath [shiva] situated in desert,
o' destroyer of tripura-demon with all illusion, thy form of Truth, Consciousness, Bliss, untouched by malecha-dharma, i'am in thy protection.

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DR LIER NAIK
"A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, "I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents."



sooth uchav: ithi shurthiya sthav deva shabadh-mah nupaya tam,
gath-vaya bhojraj-ney mahakhaleshwar-sthale 9
malech-shu dhushita bhumi-vahika nam-vishritha
arya dharma hi nav-vathra vahike desh-darunya 10
vamu-vatra maha-mayi yo-sav dagdho myaa pura
tripuro bali-daithyane proshith punaragath 11
ayoni sa varo math prasava daithyo-vrudhan
mahamadh ithi khayath , paishacha-kruthi thathpar 12
nagathvaya thvya bhup paisachae desh-vartake
math prasadhayane bhupal tav shudhii prajayathe 13

sooth[narrater] said: after hearing, bhoj's devotional words, lord [shiva] said: o'bhojraj, thy should proceed to mahakaleshwar,
this land is polluted by malecha's ,ayra-dharma has been diminished , no righteousness exists in this horrible land of vahik.
The mahamayavi (highly illusory) Tripurasur [whom I had burnt ] has again come there, by the order of bali-demon, He is the one who is increasing the demons and is casteless.
He has attained a boon from me and is becoming popular by the name of ‘Mahamad’. He is fast in demoniac actions.
That is why O King, be not here in this demoniac land. O King, you will be purified by my blessings.”

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DR LIER NAIK

"The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are.



thi shruthva nupshav svadesha-napu maragmath
mahamadh toi sadhav sindhu-thir mupaye-yav 14
uchav bhupati premane mahamadh-virshad
tva deva maharaja das-tva magath 15
mamo-chit sabhu jiya-dhatha tatpashya bho nup
ithi shruthya ththa hata para vismaya-magath16
malechdhano mathi-shasi-tatsaya bhupasaya darutho17

Listening to this, King Bhoj returned back to his kingdom. Mahamad too acompanied him to the banks of the river Sindhu. Affectionately he said to King Bhoj, “Your Lord who is expert in all arts, has now become my slave. See how he eats my left over food.” King saw all that happened.

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DR LIER NAIK ... ignors...14-17


tucha tva kalidas-sthu rusha praah mahamadham
maya-thei nirmithi dhutharya nush-mohan-hethvei 18
hanishyami-duravara vahik purusha-dhamum
ityak va sa jidh shrimanava-raja-tathpar 19
japthya dush-sah-trayach tah-sahansh juhav sa
bhasm mutva sa mayavi malech-dev-tva-magath 20
maybhithashtu tachya-shyaa desh vahii-kamayuuah
guhitva svaguro-bhasm madaheen tva-magatham 21
swapiit tav bhu-ghyot-thro-shrumadh-tathpara
madaheen puro jath thosha trith sayam smurthaum 22

Kalidasa seeing the King engrossed in the illusion created, said to the illusory Mahamad, “O cunning Mahamad, you have constructed an illusion to hypnotize the King. I will destroy the wicked bâhik Saying this, the glorious Brahman performed a ceremony of chanting the navârß jap ten thousand times. He made offerings of one tenth of those in a sacred fire (hom). As a result, the illusionary mlencch transformed into divine ashes.Seeing this, his disciples’ fleed to the bahik lands. They buried the ashes of their Guru and stayed there itself. That place is named as Madaheen (presently known as Madina)

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DR LIAR NAIK... ignors ... 18-22  



rathri sa dev-roop-shav bahu-maya-virshad
paisacha deha-marathaya bhojraj hi so trivith23
arya-dharmo hei to raja-sarvoutham smurth
ishapraya karinayami paishacha dharma darunbhu24

At night, the highly illusionary (Mahamad) who was transformed in devine ashes, taking the form of a demon said to King Bhoj, “Your Ârya dharm is the only dharm that is superior of all. But by the orders of God, I will create a demoniac religion.

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DR LIER NAIK

At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters.  


linga-chedri shikha heen, shamshu dhari sa dhushak
uga-laapi, sarva-bhakshi bhavishyati jano mum25
vina kaul cha pashva-stosha bhakshava mata mum
musal-nevo sanskar, kushariv bhavishyathi 26
tasma- musal-vanto hee jathiyo dharma-dhushika
ithi pisacha-dharma bhavishyaat mayaa kruth27

My fellowmen will be those who will do circumcision , will be without shikhâ (the tuft or lock of hair left on the top of head at tonsure), will have beard, will loudly hum in tune , and will eat every thing (sarvabhakshak). I am of opinion that one should eat everything.
As the Kushas, their sanskar will be done by MUSAL, hence their musalman sect will pollute all other religions. Such will be my demoniac religion in future”


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DR LIER NAIK

My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations."  




glory to our sages!!!!

btw, bhavishyapuran text also supports that: kaaba was/is a shiva temple!!

muslims , while kissin the black stone should remember , tis LORD SHIVA's linga [penis]  


apart from bhavishya purana, nowhere else mo is mentioned in hindu-scripture, tis mere lies of ZAKIR naik


Source: Ranull at http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=989126#989126
HomoErectus

HomoErectus wrote:

(i) Has Vaid Prakash converted to Islam? If not, does he not have confidence in his own research?

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

You and I , nobody knows. Most probably yes.

And it it is yes.



See...
So why are we now supposed to believe a mutated ex-pundit, kissing up to his new clientel ?


HomoErectus wrote:
(ii) Vedas do not mention Kalki. the whole avatara cycle comes after Vedas were composed. So the scholarship of the pundit is gravely in doubt.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Vedas also prophesised Muhammad(pbuh) . Need refereces?..



Show me the original text where "muhammad" is being mentioned !

I guess the muslims have pulled this "pundit" out of their... [self imposed censorship here!]

No references around about him, nothing, except for your funny islamic websites having a hay-day with him !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

in the Rigveda

Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:
in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

i could provide many more



So, where does it say "muhammad" ?


HomoErectus wrote:
(iii) which prophecy says in what book 'kalki autar' will be born in an island and that is the Arab territory which is known as 'jazeeratul Arab'

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

. According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:[/b]

"The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh)



Caca di buffalo !
The "well known muhammad" ??????
Who "knew" him back then ?
He hadn't even yet been just a horny thought in the balls of his maker at that time!


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters.



So, where is muhammad in this ?


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head)



Ooooh, these must be the jews !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer)



The muslim call for prayer - says WHO ?

I also wear a beard, and I'm a revolutionary too!
Could it be the vedas were talking about... ME ?


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations."



Yeah, come up with more caca di buffalo!
And "musalmaans" is NOT mentioned there !
Twist and lie till the cows come home....

A Pork-roast is a very fine thing, but never mind, we'll keep 'em all for ourselves !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

The Prophecy states that:

i. The evil doers have corrupted the Arab land.



This may indeed hint at mohammad and muslims !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

ii. Arya Dharma is not found in that land.



Right !
It will not be found in arab lands.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

iii. The Indian Raja need not go the Arab land since his purification will take place in India after the musalmaan will arrive in India.



Whatever happened to the swamp called "Pakistan" ?
No "paki" there, but plenty of deluded muslims !
But no "purification" !



Intellectual_fighter wrote:

iv. The coming Prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people.



Here we have to return to the question you evaded in your typical islamic defence strategy - you were just asking a counter question, no more....

So, here we go again:

WHAT is an "avatar" ?

And how many gods are there in hindu religion ?

And what makes you say "i.e"
Who has done this interpretation that "i.e." monotheism and "will reform"....


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

v. The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised.



Jews again ?
You know, the people whom your socalled prophet has labelled as "apes and swine" ?
And the same people from whom he copied and pasted parts of his epileptic "revelations" ?


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

They will be without a tail on the head and bear a beard and will create a great revolution.



See, the vedas knew me!
Now THAT's a prophecy !

As I said above, I wear a beard, no tail on my head, and... I'm a revolutionary too !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

vi. They will announce the Aadhaan, i.e. ‘the Muslim call for prayer’.



No.
This is typical caca di buffalo, no more.

You can call [for instance me, and millions of others too] day and night, and I'll sue your mosque for disturbing my legal PEACE, five times a day!

We go for noise-reduction !

Besides, there is no whatsoever hinting that it will be for the muslim "call for prayer", just your day dream.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

vii. He will only eat lawful things and animals but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places:



Who cares what the Quran "confirms" ?

Have a pork-roast and a beer !

Thats better than your whole quran, and its the provable truth too!


HomoErectus wrote:
(iv) The father's name is not vishnubhagat but vishnuyasha, which means the GLORY of Vishnu if anything, not slave. The mother's name is NOT mentioned.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Cool ...Good lying! 'vishnu' stands for Allah (swt) and the literal meaning of 'bhagat' is slave.
So Arabic translation is Abdullah.



Vishnu stands for Vishnu, but certainly not for Allah !

I repeat - what is an AVATAR  in your eyes ?

How many gods in hindu religion ?

And why was mohammads uncle already an "abdullah" ?

Allah was the moon-god, back then, residing in the kaaba.

Why did mohammad first bow towards Jerusalem ?

Has god moved to another appartment ?

And why do muslims bow towards Makkah, is their god residing THERE ?
[I thought you believe he is "up there" in the skies ?]

I say, god eats pork-chops, and also drinks beer - he created it all, didn't he ?
Why create something without any use ?
[Aaah, but then he also created useless mohammedans - bad bad "god"!]


HomoErectus wrote:
(v) Kalki is not the messenger of god. He is the incarnation of God, which is very different.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

According to vedas, there is nothing that can be called incarnation of God.



Same question again and again - What is an "avatar" and how many gods in hindu religion ?

You may resist till the cows come home, but it wont help you to "advance" even an inch.


HomoErectus wrote:
(vi) Just where is it written that "it is mentioned that 'kalki autar' will live on olive and dates and he will be true to his words and honest. " Give reference instead of vaguely mentioning big books.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

There are plenty of references.



Where ?
Quotes please !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:

a. Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad).



Muhammad - says WHO ?
Your mutatet "pundit", now a slave of "allah" too, is maybe not the right guy to do that!


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.



It can only be wrong, don't you see ?
Mohammad NEVER was a "prince of peace", but a criminal committing the most heinous crimes !

And I seriously doubt that [60,090] enemies would have protected him -  he would have had them slayed, their properties stolen, their womenfolks enslaved [his sexual obsession], cursing them into "hellfire".

Mohammad would end up in some dungeon if he was around today.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

b. Mantra 2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.



Many people ride camels, you know....
I prefer a car !

And last week I flew in a helicopter, we also touched the sky ?

Besides all that, what you say is not hinting at mohammad at no point.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

c. Mantra 3
He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.



I know some farmers who have more of all of that !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

d. Mantra 4
Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.

i. The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).



You can translate any of those words into any language, and apply this then onto the  preferred socalled "god" of any culture !

Where is the word "Muhammad" and where is the word "Allah" ?


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’



No, no, no !
Your socalled "prophet" [profit] never was a "prince of peace" !

He was a criminal, with a very "respectable" record of crimes, thats all !

In connection with "mohammad" the LEAST thing that would come to my mind would be "peace" !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood.



Thats a cleancut LIE !
So, either "god" was a liar", your mohammad had a hearing problem, or a problem comprehending what his imaginary god told him.....

Islam is RACIST and FASCIST, a tool for oppression, and commiting crimes, yet not getting accused for that.


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.



An Immigrant is a person who leaves the country !
He left his country for RAIDS, for killing, stealing, looting, slashing, enslaving, oppressing, and forcing people to "convert" to his deadly devilish ideology !

Imigration at walking distance is not valid!
And he imigrated because he HAD to !

Bring any "messenger" of your sick ideology, and I could make him imigrate again.....


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

ii. He will be protected from 60,090 enemies,



A bad joke here ?


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

which was the population of Makkah.



Says WHO again ?


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

The Prophet would ride a camel.



So, what ?
Is every bandit riding a camel a "prophet" ?


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, "A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an *** and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath".



Wrong again.
Ever been to Gujarat or Rajastan ?
India has about 500000 camles !

Even the indian army uses camels....



AS for "suppressing your breath" -  try that, long enough, and you will not be able to see the results of your experiment anymore...


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

iii. This mantra gave the Rishi's name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc.



And according to exactly this logic, it CAN'T be mohammad at all !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’,



No sanskrit books give the prophets name as "mohammad" !


Quote:

but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).



Why would an indian write "pbuh" ?
Its - again - a muslims forgery, no more !

Muslims always try to justify their weak faith by pointing to other religions, from which mohammad had stolen parts of his "book", copy and paste, you know !

Why is there literally NOTHING original in this manual for terrorists ?

PBUH means "peas be under him" so they'd hear him coming and quickly act as if...


HomoErectus wrote:
(vii) Kalki will not be taught by anyone since he is God himself.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Again, a hard try to move the topic out of context. Kalki Avatar is not a God, he is a messenger of God. Hindu's ideas of god being inarnated is truley an erroneous one.



Caca di buffalo !
How do YOU know ?
God talked to you ?

Get some education and don't talk out of your a... [self imposed censordhip again]


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Muhammad(pbuh) was an illiterate person, he neither could read nor could write. think.



Right!
He was NOTHING, but a jobless orphaned child, with nothing in his hands, no education, no money, no wealth, no skills, no knowledge, no position, not even ONE camel, and no perspective for his future - yet he became khadijas sex-toy [suited him well], and in the later course, he became the worst criminal on this planet forever, killing, raping, ambushing, stealing, looting, and enslaving numbers of females, for his [and companions] sexual obsessions.
Later on he was the wealthiest man in arabia - if he existed today, he would end up in jail forever !

He makes hitler, stalin, pol pot and mao look like amateurs !


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

In vedas , it is mentoined that There is only one God and he is shapeless and he is all power ful. Whenever  anyone tries to give a shape to god, he is not a GOd, there incarnation is a faulty belief. Vedas doesnt support that.



Vedas are not about islam, did that ever occur to your islamically limited no-brain ?


HomoErectus wrote:
(viii) The coming of Kalki will herald apocalypse, but the world is still here. No doubt to the tribes enslaved by Islam it did seem like end of the world :boohoo:

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Kalki avater is called the last messenger. And we all know that Muhammad(pbuh) is the last and final messenger of Almighty. Jesus(pbuh), moses(pbuh), none claimed that they were the last messenger of Almighty.



Fairy tales and fables from way back when - we have 2007 now, you realize ?

Besides, to be a "prophet" was quite an inflationary profession back then, even your book tells of thousands of prophets.
And you ought to respect them all, commanded by the quran!

Where are they now, and WHAT did they say ?

And NO, muhammad is NOT the last [but the least] "messenger", we have plenty of "prophets" roaming this planet!
Its only, you tend to ignore all the others !
You are brainwashed into believing this desert-hoax, thats all.


HomoErectus wrote:
the Muslims simply has not thought this through. Rivers, so you think allah is not capable of of creating a horse faster than a jet, or a sword mightier than a missile?
So allah is not omnipotent after all.! Very Happy

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Here the writer showed his ignorance. Why! The horse that we are talking about is the horse called Borak given by Allah to Muhammad(pbuh) , and guess how much speedy it was,
Certainly Million  fold  speedier that todays rockets, and that made possible of Inter-Universe journey, Miraj, thats what believe.



Aah, yes BURAK - the first mohammeddan "space-ship"
Sorry, but your "beliefs", assumptions, theories, are neither proof nor are they relevant!


Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Therefore, the prophecy matched perfectly.



It only matches in a twisted mind, mixing it up with twisted logic.
For ANY un-brainwashed outsider it will result in shaking his/her head in disbelief about your delusions, i.e. thinking you are a crook.


Quote:

Any more query.



You have not answered anything, but whirled yourself deep into further delusions, thats all.

You go and answer...

What about this "earth flat as a pancake" ?

And what about the "crack in the moon" ?

Furthermore please clarify the "sun setting in a muddy pool" ?

Besides the "Giant fish upon which the world is resting" ?

Does the "universe revolve around the earth" ?

Who is "shooting with meteors at jinns" ?

Why did people first bow towards Jerusalem, then to Makkah ?
Has your "god" moved to another appartment ?

And finally...
WHY is your alleged "God" making so many errors, fallacies, misjudgements, wrongs, misperceptions, miscalculations, faults and mistakes ?

He ain't no "God" at all, could it be ?!

Aaaah, yeah, again - "allah is the best deceiver" !!!!

WHO is getting deceived by your delusion called "allah", your imaginary "god" ?

Get real, have a pork-roast and a beer, come out of this self-imposed mental JAIL !
HomoErectus

Oh, and by the way.....

All your claims about "mohammad in hindu scriptures" DEBUNKED !

Greetings to the ever-more "notoriuos" proclamator of caca di buffalo, zakir naik.

Read here, its a bit too long to have it copied here, but nevertheless, all points covered.


Do Vedas really tell about Muhammad?

How did Dr. Zakir Naik manage to discover Muhammad in hindu scriptures !!!!

The Kalki Avtar-Lets take a look!

Whats in Bhavishya puran Prophet Muhammad or Demon Mahamad?

A RESPONSE TO M.N. ANDERSON'S ARTICLE: "Prophet Muhammad in Hindu Scriptures?"

Answers to Questions by Brother Azhar !

FAKE Shankaracharya


ALL of these links completely DESTROY the LIES of zakir naik, as well as ALL of the islamic websites glued to this hoax.

And... how did you say in one of your posts... ?
"Any more queries" ?
Intellectual_fighter

HomoErectus wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:

(i) Has Vaid Prakash converted to Islam? If not, does he not have confidence in his own research?

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

You and I , nobody knows. Most probably yes.

And it it is yes.



See...
So why are we now supposed to believe a mutated ex-pundit, kissing up to his new clientel ?


Huh!

Now, he is a mutated ex-pundit!! What a logic to deny the truth.





HomoErectus wrote:
 
HomoErectus wrote:
(ii) Vedas do not mention Kalki. the whole avatara cycle comes after Vedas were composed. So the scholarship of the pundit is gravely in doubt.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Vedas also prophesised Muhammad(pbuh) . Need refereces?..



Show me the original text where "muhammad" is being mentioned !

I guess the muslims have pulled this "pundit" out of their... [self imposed censorship here!]

No references around about him, nothing, except for your funny islamic websites having a hay-day with him !




Oh,  Really . no where Muhammad is mentioned,

Have you read the article properly?..If you had then you wouldn’t ask this, you know why,

When its said Narashangsha is Sankskrit, it exact translation of Arabic is Muhammad..

In everwhere, wherever  they  there is anything about that maha Rishi,  you will find that it is called none other Muhammad………

The main point mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:

a. Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.





Intellectual_fighter wrote:

in the Rigveda

Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:
in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

i could provide many more



HomoErectus wrote:
So, where does it say "muhammad" ?  



the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

"Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun." The Prophecy confirms:

The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as "I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father".



HomoErectus wrote:
 
HomoErectus wrote:
(iii) which prophecy says in what book 'kalki autar' will be born in an island and that is the Arab territory which is known as 'jazeeratul Arab'

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

. According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:[/b]

"The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh)



Caca di buffalo !
The "well known muhammad" ??????
Who "knew" him back then ?
He hadn't even yet been just a horny thought in the balls of his maker at that time!


Oh yes… Now you are going to your pure logic ….  Caca di buffalo

Who didn’t know him?..All around Arabian peninsula knew about the prophet..From Roman empire to Persian empire, even the king of the then Abisinia ,

Now, you are asking me that who knew Muhammad(pbuh) back then,

Buddy, you gotta learn some history…Don’t assume so much….





HomoErectus wrote:
 
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters.


So, where is muhammad in this ?


Sound laugh,!

You all are same buddy…Why you have taken a half of that full text….



According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:

"The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations."


Here the description is given that when the prophet will come and what his followers will do…




 
HomoErectus wrote:
   
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head)



Ooooh, these must be the jews !


Seriously speaking, You will run to and fro , here and there..

This is a challenge, and all the readers will find it later.



HomoErectus wrote:
     
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer)



The muslim call for prayer - says WHO ?

I also wear a beard, and I'm a revolutionary too!
Could it be the vedas were talking about... ME ?



Now, to all, Hellow readers, lets find our the Logic of Erectus,,,
He doesn’t know that  Muslims call for prayer. Period…Laugh..

Now dear HomoErectus, its really sad that you dont  know Muslims call for prayer.
Anywayz, to err is human , or you may really don’t know..
But let me tell, where you want to go , go and you will find that Muslims are calling for prayer 5 times in a day….

HomoErectus wrote:
     I also wear a beard, and I'm a revolutionary too!
Could it be the vedas were talking about... ME ?


I  told that I will find you running to and fro as though you can deny the truth..

Now, yes, Vedas could talk about you..!! period,,laugh…haha..

Your name is Muhammad, right??..Your fathers name is Abdullah , right?..You ride camel . right?..oh yeah!! Laugh ..haha

You have defeated twenty kings, right?...Oh yeah..haha,,,

You have a huge number of follower.right…?..You have born in Mecca , right?...


Period,,,let me laugh..plz..dont mind,,,,,,hahaa








HomoErectus wrote:
     
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations."



Yeah, come up with more caca di buffalo!
And "musalmaans" is NOT mentioned there !
Twist and lie till the cows come home....

A Pork-roast is a very fine thing, but never mind, we'll keep 'em all for ourselves !


Caca di buffalo..lol..

What mentions there that the follower of that prophet maha rishi will not eat pork and only eat lawful animals..

Now you are discarded  as you eat pork,,,sad,,,Buddyy………….






HomoErectus wrote:
       
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

The Prophecy states that:

i. The evil doers have corrupted the Arab land.



This may indeed hint at mohammad and muslims]



Lol…




HomoErectus wrote:
       
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

ii. Arya Dharma is not found in that land.



Right !
It will not be found in arab lands.


Now,the  total population of Makka is 60000, right???..oh yeah…lol..

What you are saying and doing , do you know,,,Haha…








   
HomoErectus wrote:
       
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iv. The coming Prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people.



Here we have to return to the question you evaded in your typical islamic defence strategy - you were just asking a counter question, no more....

So, here we go again:

WHAT is an "avatar" ?

And how many gods are there in hindu religion ?

And what makes you say "i.e"
Who has done this interpretation that "i.e." monotheism and "will reform"....  



Hoh,,,! I evaded question..!!

How much you know about Vedas..According to Vedas the avatar or the rishies are the messenger of PoromAtma (Almighty)…


And how many gods, again, I will go for Vedas teaching, There is only one God, in hindu Vedas,

Now Hindus believe thousands of Gods but this has no impact as Hindus are now seriously flawed in their religion.


DO YOU KNOW WHAT  IS ARYA DHARM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT VEDAS  PROPAGATE ..

PURE MONOTHEISM,,,buddy,,,

You gotta learn more the comparative study of religion…





   
HomoErectus wrote:
       
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v. The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised.



Jews again ?
You know, the people whom your socalled prophet has labelled as "apes and swine" ?
And the same people from whom he copied and pasted parts of his epileptic "revelations" ?  



No, its not Jews, its you buddy,,,,lol….

Name the prophet of jews! He is Muhammad,,Right? Truly, Muhammad(pbuh) is the prophet for whole humanity…

Buddy , I am in serious confusion!! Lol….





   
HomoErectus wrote:
       
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

They will be without a tail on the head and bear a beard and will create a great revolution.



See, the vedas knew me!
Now THAT's a prophecy !

As I said above, I wear a beard, no tail on my head, and... I'm a revolutionary too !  


But buddy, Vedas gives the description of the followers of the prophet,

You could become one of us, Just believe  in one Almighty God and Muhammad(pbuh) is the last and final messenger of him..

Buddy,, You just don’t have any clue of what you are saying, I thought of you are a person who is worthy of having a debate with me..

But sad for, you just coudnt cover up any logic,,sorry buddy, I had to say that….



   
HomoErectus wrote:
       
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

vi. They will announce the Aadhaan, i.e. ‘the Muslim call for prayer’.



No.
This is typical caca di buffalo, no more.

You can call [for instance me, and millions of others too] day and night, and I'll sue your mosque for disturbing my legal PEACE, five times a day!

We go for noise-reduction !



Oh yeah,,,caca di buffalo…lol

I aint  gonna comment on that..

Up to the readers about your logic….






HomoErectus wrote:
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

vii. He will only eat lawful things and animals but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places:



Who cares what the Quran "confirms" ?

Have a pork-roast and a beer !

Thats better than your whole quran, and its the provable truth too!


None ask you to care about the Glorious Quran, just see what an analogy..

We muslims are forbidden to eat pork that was told by both the Glorious Quran and Vedas…..

And eat your pork how much you could..have good lunch..but  be careful about those warms,,





HomoErectus wrote:
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HomoErectus wrote:
(iv) The father's name is not vishnubhagat but vishnuyasha, which means the GLORY of Vishnu if anything, not slave. The mother's name is NOT mentioned.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Cool ...Good lying! 'vishnu' stands for Allah (swt) and the literal meaning of 'bhagat' is slave.
So Arabic translation is Abdullah.



Vishnu stands for Vishnu, but certainly not for Allah !

I repeat - what is an AVATAR  in your eyes ?

How many gods in hindu religion ?


And why do muslims bow towards Makkah, is their god residing THERE ?
[I thought you believe he is "up there" in the skies ?]

I say, god eats pork-chops, and also drinks beer - he created it all, didn't he ?
Why create something without any use ?  


Hoho..

Vishnu is  a Sanskrit word that means God…And the Arabic translation of God is Allah..

Learn buddy………You gotta….

Regarding avater,  I told you what Vedas says.

According to Vedas there is only one God…ok!

Muhammad uncles name is Abdullah…..hoho..Buddy…It was the same of Muhammad(pbuh)’s father.

Muslims bow towards kaba because of showing Unity, If I bow towards north,, another one to south,/east, there would  be an anarchy, So, we bow towards kaaba, it’s the Holiest mosque and was built by Abraham(pbuh)..


Buddy,,,,stick to the topic…Why you are trying to to awry…..!!Bro. I know you haven’t got much to say..about the topic..





HomoErectus wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:
(v) Kalki is not the messenger of god. He is the incarnation of God, which is very different.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

According to vedas, there is nothing that can be called incarnation of God.



Same question again and again - What is an "avatar" and how many gods in hindu religion ?  



I explained above  according to Vedas the Most sacred book of Hinduism..







HomoErectus wrote:
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:

a. Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad).



Muhammad - says WHO ?
Your mutatet "pundit", now a slave of "allah" too, is maybe not the right guy to do that!



Again, you showed an ineptness  ..

You don’t have any idea at all..

Narashansah means the praised one,,,the exact Arabic translation is Muhammad…




HomoErectus wrote:
 
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.



It can only be wrong, don't you see ?
Mohammad NEVER was a "prince of peace", but a criminal committing the most heinous crimes !

And I seriously doubt that [60,090] enemies would have protected him -  he would have had them slayed, their properties stolen, their womenfolks enslaved [his sexual obsession], cursing them into "hellfire".

Mohammad would end up in some dungeon if he was around today.



Again. Awkwardness buddy,,,

After beoming  prophet, Muhammad(pbuh) stayed many years in Makka where he was tortured by the pagan Arabians severly, by he didn’t protest. Rather Muhammad(pbuh) prayed to Allah as though those people can get guidance..


Think how peaceful he was…

And when one night  all the Meccans decided to kill him. Almighty Allah saved him and Muhammad(pbuh) emigrated to Medina…After conquering Mekka Muhammad(pbuh) didn’t harm any single person, and those people used to toture Muhammad(pbuh)  ..But Muhammad(pbuh) forgave them all,,,



Buddy. History, I recommend for you..Plz..read the history..


HomoErectus wrote:
   
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

b. Mantra 2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.



Many people ride camels, you know....
I prefer a car !

And last week I flew in a helicopter, we also touched the sky ?

Besides all that, what you say is not hinting at mohammad at no point.



A hindu Brahman  is forbidden to ride camel, that means that prophet wont be one among Hindu Brahman,,,,

And it is  none other than Muhammad(pbuh) and why?...You have got that already  I think….

No other person matches the prophecy except Muhammad(pbuh)…If you have any doubt you can contact with any famous Hindu scholar to refute me…

Ask, Guru Sri Sri  Rabishankar , one of the Most famous hindu scholar,,,




HomoErectus wrote:
   
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

c. Mantra 3
He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.



I know some farmers who have more of all of that !  



You do know lot more  buddy, but not correct….




HomoErectus wrote:
     
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

d. Mantra 4
Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.

i. The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).



You can translate any of those words into any language, and apply this then onto the  preferred socalled "god" of any culture !

Where is the word "Muhammad" and where is the word "Allah" ?  



Could refer that to any language with any name of anyother prophet??
If you cant, then that previous assumption by you is nothing but a bull-shit..lol…
You just cant, let me  emphasize, you just wont be able to explain your remark here  

You can translate any of those words into any language, and apply this then onto the  preferred socalled "god" of any culture !

This is a challenge from me….

Regarding your question, I explained, where is Muhammad and where is Allah….
If I say Almighty God., what does that mean, that means to us Allah..




HomoErectus wrote:
     
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’



No, no, no !
In connection with "mohammad" the LEAST thing that would come to my mind would be "peace" !


Only because , You don’t know the real history, and you have been taught like that,,but the reality is very different, You will have get a little glimpse  from what I mentined above.


HomoErectus wrote:
     
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood.



Thats a cleancut LIE !
So, either "god" was a liar", your mohammad had a hearing problem, or a problem comprehending what his imaginary god told him.....

Islam is RACIST and FASCIST, a tool for oppression, and commiting crimes, yet not getting accused for that.


First of all, Islam is the most peaceful religion on this earth.

Read the Glorious Quran with perfect context.

Whoever kills a person without his being guilty of murder or of creating unrest in the land, is as though he kills the whole of mankind. (Al-Maaidah 5: 32)

Islam gives equal rights to all races, there is no partition of blacks or white..
Women are treated with high esteem,,,and equality in perfect sense..






HomoErectus wrote:
     
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.



An Immigrant is a person who leaves the country !
He left his country for RAIDS, for killing, stealing, looting, slashing, enslaving, oppressing, and forcing people to "convert" to his deadly devilish ideology !

Imigration at walking distance is not valid!
And he imigrated because he HAD to !

Bring any "messenger" of your sick ideology, and I could make him imigrate again.....


First of all, immigrant and emigrant are different words with different meaning,,
It seems you don’t know about that
..

Anywayz,,what ever you said is complete lying without knowing….




HomoErectus wrote:
     
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

ii. He will be protected from 60,090 enemies,



A bad joke here ? ,


And it hurts people like you!! Lol




HomoErectus wrote:
       
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

which was the population of Makkah.



Says WHO again ? .


Again you don’t know,

At the time of Muhamad(pbuh) the total population of Makka were 60000 and Vedas says that the prophet will be saved from 60000 enemies…Muhammad(pbuh) was saved from being killed by those pagans.



Makes  perfect sense,,,,






HomoErectus wrote:
         
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, "A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an *** and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath".



Wrong again.
Ever been to Gujarat or Rajastan ?
India has about 500000 camles !

Even the indian army uses camels....

]

AS for "suppressing your breath" -  try that, long enough, and you will not be able to see the results of your experiment anymore...


The prophet will be a Malecha, .do you know what is malecha?  Malecha is a foreigner that means the great prophet is not from India,,,Buddy,,,I am surprised to know about you.





HomoErectus wrote:
       
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

iii. This mantra gave the Rishi's name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. ,


And according to exactly this logic, it CAN'T be mohammad at all ! ,



According to all logics, reason  and with a power of understanding, everyone will conclude that the rishi is none but Muhammad(pbuh0









HomoErectus wrote:

Muslims always try to justify their weak faith by pointing to other religions, from which mohammad had stolen parts of his "book", copy and paste, you know !



Haha…I understand you mental agony…What you could  more do ,,




HomoErectus wrote:
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HomoErectus wrote:
(vii) Kalki will not be taught by anyone since he is God himself.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Again, a hard try to move the topic out of context. Kalki Avatar is not a God, he is a messenger of God. Hindu's ideas of god being inarnated is truley an erroneous one.



Caca di buffalo !
How do YOU know ?
God talked to you ?

Get some education and don't talk out of your a... [self imposed censordhip again]


Caca di buffalo ! Returns! Haha
How I know, ok..according to Vedas there is no incarnation of god.. God is one only .shapeless and thatshow I know that Kalki avatar is a prophet….


Caca di buffalo………..









HomoErectus wrote:
 
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Muhammad(pbuh) was an illiterate person, he neither could read nor could write. think.



Right!
He was NOTHING, but a jobless orphaned child, with nothing in his hands, no education, no money, no wealth, no skills, no knowledge, no position, not even ONE camel, and no perspective for his future - yet he became khadijas sex-toy [suited him well], and in the later course, he became the worst criminal on this planet forever, killing, raping, ambushing, stealing, looting, and enslaving numbers of females, for his [and companions] sexual obsessions.
Later on he was the wealthiest man in arabia - if he existed today, he would end up in jail forever !

He makes hitler, stalin, pol pot and mao look like amateurs !


Again, without knowing the history…

Haha….gone out of topic..I knew you would ….

Now. Muhammad(pbuh) was called truthful,Alamin by the pagans, and he was  the most righteous person among them, After being married with Khadija,(ra) Khadija gave all her wealth to Muhammad(pbuh)..

He provided the solution for all, he is the greatest man ever the world has seen.
Muhammad(pbuh) never killed one single innocent person, he never asked other to enslave women, and everyone loved him more than their life.

Muhammad(pbuh) never did any crime whatsoever….

And you said that Muhammad(pbuh) was the richest person,,,what a sadness, !! Buddy, Muhammad(pbuh) was actually one of the poorest man, Many times he had to starve and after having so much power he never misused it, rather lead an austere life .







HomoErectus wrote:
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

In vedas , it is mentoined that There is only one God and he is shapeless and he is all power ful. Whenever  anyone tries to give a shape to god, he is not a GOd, there incarnation is a faulty belief. Vedas doesnt support that.



Vedas are not about islam, did that ever occur to your islamically limited no-brain ?



If you are a Hindu and believe Vedas , yo would become a Muslim…




HomoErectus wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:
(viii) The coming of Kalki will herald apocalypse, but the world is still here. No doubt to the tribes enslaved by Islam it did seem like end of the world :boohoo:

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Kalki avater is called the last messenger. And we all know that Muhammad(pbuh) is the last and final messenger of Almighty. Jesus(pbuh), moses(pbuh), none claimed that they were the last messenger of Almighty.



Fairy tales and fables from way back when - we have 2007 now, you realize ?

Besides, to be a "prophet" was quite an inflationary profession back then, even your book tells of thousands of prophets.
And you ought to respect them all, commanded by the quran!

Where are they now, and WHAT did they say ?

And NO, muhammad is NOT the last [but the least] "messenger", we have plenty of "prophets" roaming this planet!
Its only, you tend to ignore all the others !
You are brainwashed into believing this desert-hoax, thats all.



Haha…

Dear readers , look at HomoErectus..

After being failed to disprove that claim by logic, he now talking  about fairy tales.

Poor guy….

Your all logics have gone now!!!

Caca di buffalo,,,jews,,you ,,defaming Muhammad(pbuh)…!!! Now fairy tale…






HomoErectus wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:
the Muslims simply has not thought this through. Rivers, so you think allah is not capable of of creating a horse faster than a jet, or a sword mightier than a missile?
So allah is not omnipotent after all.! Very Happy

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Here the writer showed his ignorance. Why! The horse that we are talking about is the horse called Borak given by Allah to Muhammad(pbuh) , and guess how much speedy it was,
Certainly Million  fold  speedier that todays rockets, and that made possible of Inter-Universe journey, Miraj, thats what believe.



Aah, yes BURAK - the first mohammeddan "space-
Sorry, but your "beliefs", assumptions, theories, are neither proof nor are they relevant!


Buddy, learn and examine the Relativity theory,,,

You will come to know a lot of thing…




HomoErectus wrote:
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Therefore, the prophecy matched perfectly.



It only matches in a twisted mind, mixing it up with twisted logic.
For ANY un-brainwashed outsider it will result in shaking his/her head in disbelief about your delusions, i.e. thinking you are a crook.


Quote:

Any more query.



You have not answered anything, but whirled yourself deep into further delusions, thats all.

You go and answer...

What about this "earth flat as a pancake" ?

And what about the "crack in the moon" ?

Furthermore please clarify the "sun setting in a muddy pool" ?

Besides the "Giant fish upon which the world is resting" ?

Does the "universe revolve around the earth" ?

Who is "shooting with meteors at jinns" ?

!


All are out of topic..

But still,,,let me ans…


1. The Glorios Quran says, the earth is egg-shaped,

    2  About crack in the moon… Science has confirmed that the moon did indeed crack as Allah Almighty mentioned in the Noble Quran 1500 years ago.





3. About sun setting  Clearly, the setting of the sun, is a figurative speech  indicating that he reached a town with a spring or lake in it, and he meditated through the beautiful view of the setting of the sun on that town.
 
4. HoH!! Where!!

5. Nowhere in the glorious Quran it is said the the universe is revolving around the earth. What a grave lying??....Rather the Glorious Quran  says that all the planets and stars are revolving around their own axes.

6. Shooting meteors,,At jinns,,Do you believe in Jinns..You dunno how they look and what their mentality…If there is a storm in the sea and you and I are  popel coastal areas.. then surely by observing  storms/tsunamis we will be frightened,,  
About meteors, what jinns feel you don’t know, do you?..So, if we go according to that analogy then surely, we could say that meteors could frighten jinns.









Atlast,

Buddy, I would love to show your logics against the prophecy on all the billboards all over the internet…..

I have a request to you brother, don’t delete your post and mine..


In the end, let me offer you peace and tranquility from Islam…
There is no God But ALLAH and Muhammad(pbuh) is the last and final messenger of HIM..


Islam is truth , therefore, its victory is inevitable…  



May Allah bless all.


Reagrds…………………





Mutley

Dear intellectual fighter. I find your stupidity to be annoying, so I request that you join me in the debate section, so that I may properly expose your inability to reason correctly. Please join me there. Thank you.
Tvebak

Hi IF

Are you gonna answer my comments aswell?

Cheers
Tvebak

Quote:
1. The Glorios Quran says, the earth is egg-shaped,

   2  About crack in the moon… Science has confirmed that the moon did indeed crack as Allah Almighty mentioned in the Noble Quran 1500 years ago.





3. About sun setting  Clearly, the setting of the sun, is a figurative speech  indicating that he reached a town with a spring or lake in it, and he meditated through the beautiful view of the setting of the sun on that town.
 
4. HoH!! Where!!

5. Nowhere in the glorious Quran it is said the the universe is revolving around the earth. What a grave lying??....Rather the Glorious Quran  says that all the planets and stars are revolving around their own axes.

6. Shooting meteors,,At jinns,,Do you believe in Jinns..You dunno how they look and what their mentality…If there is a storm in the sea and you and I are  popel coastal areas.. then surely by observing  storms/tsunamis we will be frightened,,  
About meteors, what jinns feel you don’t know, do you?..So, if we go according to that analogy then surely, we could say that meteors could frighten jinns.


Qute, that was a keeper  Wink

But in the meanwhile, besides my earlier comment, can you answer me on som questions?

Quote:
At the time of Muhamad(pbuh) the total population of Makka were 60000 and Vedas says that the prophet will be saved from 60000 enemies…Muhammad(pbuh) was saved from being killed by those pagans.


Do you have a reference for this?

Do you have any comments on the post "infidel" posted?

Quote:
The main point mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:

a. Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.


According to Sacred-texts this is book 20 hymn 127 verses 1-13:

Quote:
HYMN CXXVII
A hymn in praise of the good Government of King Kaurama
1Listen to this, ye men, a laud of glorious bounty shall be sung.
 Thousands sixty, and ninety we, O Kaurama, among the
 Rusamas have received.
2Camels twice-ten that draw the car, with females by their side,
  he gave.
 Fain would the chariot's top bow down escaping from the stroke
  of heaven.
3A hundred chains of gold, ten wreaths, upon thee Rishi he
  bestowed,
 And thrice-a-hundred mettled steeds, ten-times-a-thousand cows
  he gave.
4Glut thee, O Singer, glut thee like a bird on a ripe-fruited tree.
 Thy lips and tongue move swiftly like the sharp blades of a pair
  of shears.
5Quickly and willingly like kine forth come the singers and their
  hymns:
 Their little maidens are at home, at home they wait upon the
  cows.
6O Singer, bring thou forth the hymn that findeth cattle, findeth:
  wealth. p. 364
 Even as an archer aims his shaft address this prayer unto the
 Gods.
7List to Parikshit's eulogy, the sovran whom all people love,
 The King who ruleth over all, excelling mortals as a God.
8'Mounting his throne, Parikshit, best of all, hath given us peace
  and rest,'
 Saith a Kauravya to his wife as he is ordering his house.
9'Which shall I set before thee, curds, gruel of milk, or barley-
  brew?'
 Thus the wife asks her husband in the realm which King
 Parikshit rules.
10Up as it were to heavenly light springs the ripe corn above the
  cleft.
 Happily thrive the people in the land where King Parikshit
  reigns.
11Indra hath waked the bard and said, Rise, wander singing here
  and there.
 Praise me, the strong: each pious man will give thee riches in
  return,
12Here, cows! increase and multiply, here ye, O horses, here, O
  men.
 Here, with a thousand rich rewards, doth Pūshan also seat him-
  self.
13O Indra, let these cows be safe, their master free from injury.
 Let not the hostile-hearted or the robber have control of them.


I guess it is this sentence which have given the "miracle"-searchers a bone:

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A hymn in praise of the good Government of King Kaurama


But it does not seem to mean "the praised one", but it means that the hymn is a praise to the "good Government of King Kaurama".

Cheers
Tvebak

Some more questions and comments:

Where do you find the word "vishnubhagat" in relation to the "kalkis" father?

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According to vedas, there is nothing that can be called incarnation of God.


that would be the "avatar"

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the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

"Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun." The Prophecy confirms:

The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as "I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father".


As far as I can see the samaveda is not  built in that way. According to fx sacred text it's book II, chapter II, decade I, verse 8:

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8. I from my Father have received deep knowledge of eternal Law:
I was born like unto the Sun.


Was does it spell in sanskrit?

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According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:

"The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations."


This piece was commented in "infidels" comment, please read it? And do you then find the "prophesy" a positive thing?

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And how many gods, again, I will go for Vedas teaching, There is only one God, in hindu Vedas,

Now Hindus believe thousands of Gods but this has no impact as Hindus are now seriously flawed in their religion.


That would be the many "halfgods", aka incarnations.

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Vishnu is  a Sanskrit word that means God…And the Arabic translation of God is Allah..


The arabic translation is "ilah"


But anyways I will repost my comment in case you've missed it:

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This article is being circulated around the internet by email and through many Islamic websites referring to a book by one Prof. Pundit Vaid Parkash, which purportedly says that Kalki, the last Avtar of Vishnu and for Hindus who is the Awaited One, is none but the Prophet Mohammed.

I ignored them earlier as the matter proclaimed in the article is completely based on imaginary facts, similar to the fake quatrains of Nostradamus which were being circulated after 9/11. A lie repeated thousand times is gradually accepted as truth. It is time that someone tackle this issue head-on. It has come to such a situation that a person searching the Net for Kalki will come up only with the (mis) information that Prophet Mohammed was mentioned in the Hindu scriptures as the Awaitred One.

The article can be read in a number of Islamic websites. One such URL is the following : http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywo...phet_hindu.htm . I am not repeating the texts. Other sites basically copy the same article along with their own commentaries.

The problem with the prophecies relating to Kalki is that very few people know the details of these prophecies. Due to this, it is quite easy to mislead people by presenting certain imaginary facts and interpretations. Judging from some of the Islamic websites, it seems that some of them really believe Prophet Mohammed was mentioned in the Hindu scriptures as Kalki, simply relying on that article, without bothering to verify the facts. Here is a line by line rebuttal on why it is not so. I may not be the authority on Kalki but at least I’ve read the original book. The English translation of parts of the “Kalki Puran” in this site is quite good and I have referred to those below while presenting my points.


Para-1 : It has been wrongly said that Kalki has been mentioned in the Vedas. Nowhere in the four Vedas has Kalki been ever mentioned. Kalki has been mentioned in the “Puranas” – namely, the “Vishnu Puran” (one of the 18 major Puran) and the “Kalki Puran” (a minor Puran).

Para-2: I have not heard any hue and cry about this purported book in India in Hindi and I’m a Hindi speaking guy. About putting the author in jail had he been a Muslim, well many Muslims in India regularly write such things about Hindu religion and still go scot-free. And when Muslims write such things about Islam, their books get banned. Example – Salman Rushdie for writing “Satanic Verses”. You see, in a democracy, politicians are overtly conscious about minority rights but forget about majority sentiments.

Para-3: No one has ever heard of a “Pundit Vaid Parkash” in India. It’s a concocted name and there is surely no renowned Sanskrit scholar of that name in India. He is said to be holding an important portfolio in “Ilahabad University”, which I take to be Allahabad University. The website of that University is http://www.allduniv.edu . Check out the faculty list of that university (I hope he was not a student  ). No such person in the faculty. The guy writing the article thought he was clever. But everything’s online these days.

The said “Pundit Vaid Parkash” is said to be coming from the “Bengali race”. The fact is that Bengalis don’t have names like “Pundit Vaid Parkash”. Ask any Bengali. And why would a Bengali write a book in Hindi? He could have used English (which would have a greater readership all over India) or even Bengali.

Para-4: Here comes “Eight great Pundits”. Who are they and what are their names? Maybe the author of the article could not devise more Hindu names other than “Pundit Vaid Parkash”.

Para-5: “All Hindus should embrace Islam … should not wait for any other Kalki Autar” – Ha ! that’s the whole idea behind this (mis)information, isn’t it? Caught ya !

In Kalki Puran the birth place of Kalki is in a village called “Sambhal”. Do you think it is a codename for Mecca in some way? Beats me.

Para-6 (Sl.1) : It is the Purans, namely the Vishnu Puran and Kalki Puran and not the Vedas which said that Kalki will be the last Avtar of Vishnu. How does it make him Mohammed? Islamic texts themselves prophesize the second coming of the Christ (Isa, son of Mariam) in the future! This “well known scholar” cannot distinguish between the Vedas and the Puranas which every ordinary Hindu can !

Para-7 (Sl.2): Which Hindu prophecy says that Kalki will be born in an Island? Kalki Purana mentions that Kalki will be born in “Sambhal” village which is in the mainland; only during his marriage with “Padma” he will travel to the island “Sinhala”.

Para-8 (Sl.3): Absolute .! The father of Kalki, according to both Vishnu Puran and Kalki Puram is “Vishnujasha” (not Vishnu Bhagat, as the Islamic rumormongers claim) and the name of his mother is “Sumati”, not Somanib. To quote Kalki Puran -

Afterwards, Sumati, the wife of Vishnujasha became pregnant.... Kalki descended to earth (as a human) in the month of Baisakha on the 12th day after the full moon

~ Kalki Purana, I[2], Verses 11 and 15
Obviously, the twisting of the names had been done to make their names look like the translation of the names of the parents of Prophet Mohammad. Even that translation is faulty.

Para-9 (Sl.4): Every avtar of God is true and honest. That’s not the sole prerogative of Prophet Mohammed. As for Kalki living on olive and dates, this is completely fictitious. In fact in Kalki Purana Chapter III[17], Verse 43, Kalki and his wife is shown to have been feasting on rice, curd and other milk products.

Para-10 (Sl.5): All avtars are born in a noble and respected family (not dynasty – the term is applied to royal families. Kalki was not born in a royal family). How does that make Kalki the same person as Prophet Mohammed? Was Mohammed the only person to be born in a noble and respected family?

Para-11 (Sl.6): Kalki was taught by his “Guru” named Ram in the “mahendra” mountain. Nowhere is it said in Kalki Puran that his Guru was a messenger of God. Ram lived on a mountain – but nowhere is it mentioned that either he or Kalki lived in a cave.

Para-12 (Sl.7): Did Prophet Mohammed have two horses? Well Kalki will be provided only one. And I do not think Mohammed managed to ride to heaven and skies with his horses.

Para-13 (Sl.: It’s a foregone conclusion that an incarnation of God on earth will have the powers of God. How does that make Kalki the same as Prophet Mohammed? By the way, Kalki is an incarnation of God Himself. As per Islamic tradition, Mohammed was God’s messenger.

Para-14 (Sl.9): A very foolish conclusion. Even today, military personnel in many parts of the world are taught horse riding and swordsmanship during their training as part of military tradition and valour. Does that mean that they fight with these weapons? In a prophecy, weapons of the future are described in the nearest term understandable at that time. Similar terms had been used by Nostradamus too in his prophecies. And if you think that Kalki Puran mentions Kalki fighting with ancient weapons, how about this?

Soon they entered the city of Bishasan, the capital of Koli, and burnt down the city using fiery missile. Alongwith the city, Koli too was burnt and his sons and relatives were destroyed.
~ Kalki Purana, III[7], Verses 9 & 10
I hope that the para-wise rebuttal above is sufficient to prove that the concocted article, purportedly written by a Hindu Pundit yet prominently being displayed in various Islamic websites is nothing but a trash of lies and was devised with an obvious ulterior motive in mind.

Before concluding I will provide some more quotes from Kalki Purana to show its modern context and that it could not have spoken about Prophet Mohammed –

1. Soon, Garga (an associate of Kalki) and his army killed 6000 Buddhist soldiers. Bharga and his soldiers killed and injured 11 million enemy soldiers and his mighty allies killed 2500 of them. Kobi along with his sons killed 2 million enemy soldiers, Pragya killed 1 million and Sumantu killed 5 million soldiers ~ Kalki Purana, II[7], Verses 5, 6, 8, 9

It seems that Kalki and his allies kill or injure an army which is almost 20 million strong. How many million men did Mohammed kill in his battles? In fact this type of huge army can be conceived in the modern times only. Also, did Mohammed ever fight this many Buddhists or anyone at all?

2. This island (Sinhala) is situated on the other side of the shore. The island has pure water and is full of people. Full of various types of Aircrafts and decorated with jewellery. The beauty of the island is enhanced by huge buildings and flags and gates decorated in front of them ~ Kalki Purana, II[1], Verses 39, 40, 41

The interesting part of the description of the island where Kalki's wife-to-be stays is that apart from the huge buildings that the island city has, its sky is also full of Aircrafts! Was there aircrafts in Prophet Mohammad’s time? In the later chapters of Kalki Puran, Kalki himself was said to be traveling on such an Aircraft. Did Mohammed do that?

3. Lord Kalki, along with his soldiers armed with various types of weapons engaged in war with Kok and Bikok. These two brothers are supreme demons, great fanatics and adept in the art of war. These brothers are intimately connected, powerful, hard to defeat and are even feared by the Gods.

~ Kalki Purana, III[6], Verses 43 & 44

The surprise elements here are the description of the war with brothers called "Kok and Bikok", who are allied with Koli. These are surely Gog and Magog described in the Biblical book of Revelations and "Yajooj and Majooj" described in the Islamic prophecies. This is the final nail in the coffin for the mischievous article. The Yajooj/Majooj war (Gog/Magog in the Bible) is the war, in which Christ during His second coming will fight during the end of the world. Prophet Mohammed did not fight this war. This war is predicted for the future in the Islamic and Biblical prophecies.

We can thus definitely conclude that Kalki will appear in the future and is not Prophet Mohammed by any means. Claiming so can only be the work of a deceiver. However, it is the Muslims who are only deceived by all these ., not the Hindus.


And then infidels comment:

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wel, ppl i'v tried to transliate and translate da sanskrit text

text of bhavishya purana, taken from here

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/purana0.html

posted by DR Z HAQ, an ally of DR LIER NAIK

translation by Dr Lier Naik

http://www.islam101.com/religions/hinduism/Mhs.htm

background of the verses!!

The ‘Pratisarg parva’ of Bhavishya Puran , 3rd khand

“The Shalivahan’s had ten generations. They reigned for 500 years and when they departed there remained no limitations of the Bhoolok for them. The tenth King, Raja ‘Bhoj’ was powerful. He with ten thousand soldiers, Brahmins & Kalidas set off for universal conquest. Crossing the Sindhu, he conquered the ‘Mlencch’ in Gandhar and the ‘Shath’ in Kashmir. King Bhoj grabbed their treasure and then punished them.

In the mean time, an illusory mlencch named Mahamadh ............

3rd khand 5-27


mahamadh ithi khayat, shishya-sakha-samniviyath 5
nupyashav mahadev marusthal nivasinam.
bhojne mahadevthe snanya-pya punch-gavua samnivithya
chandan-adhi bhirmav-charya tuvach mansa haram 6
bhojraj ucchav: namaste girijanath-marusthal-nivasine
tripurarsur-nashav bahu-maya pravathiney 7
malech-dharma shav shudhaya sat-chit-anandaya swarupye,
thva ma hei kinkare vidhii sharanaghatham 8

popular in here muhamad, with diciples and friends.`
lord of all arts mahadev[shiva], situated in desert!
king bhoj bathed mahadeva with punch-gavya[ 5 products of cow]
sandelwood etc,. within his mind.
bhojraj devotionally said: namaste o' girijanath [shiva] situated in desert,
o' destroyer of tripura-demon with all illusion, thy form of Truth, Consciousness, Bliss, untouched by malecha-dharma, i'am in thy protection.


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DR LIER NAIK
"A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, "I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents."




sooth uchav: ithi shurthiya sthav deva shabadh-mah nupaya tam,
gath-vaya bhojraj-ney mahakhaleshwar-sthale 9
malech-shu dhushita bhumi-vahika nam-vishritha
arya dharma hi nav-vathra vahike desh-darunya 10
vamu-vatra maha-mayi yo-sav dagdho myaa pura
tripuro bali-daithyane proshith punaragath 11
ayoni sa varo math prasava daithyo-vrudhan
mahamadh ithi khayath , paishacha-kruthi thathpar 12
nagathvaya thvya bhup paisachae desh-vartake
math prasadhayane bhupal tav shudhii prajayathe 13

sooth[narrater] said: after hearing, bhoj's devotional words, lord [shiva] said: o'bhojraj, thy should proceed to mahakaleshwar,
this land is polluted by malecha's ,ayra-dharma has been diminished , no righteousness exists in this horrible land of vahik.
The mahamayavi (highly illusory) Tripurasur [whom I had burnt ] has again come there, by the order of bali-demon, He is the one who is increasing the demons and is casteless.
He has attained a boon from me and is becoming popular by the name of ‘Mahamad’. He is fast in demoniac actions.
That is why O King, be not here in this demoniac land. O King, you will be purified by my blessings.”


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DR LIER NAIK
"The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are.




thi shruthva nupshav svadesha-napu maragmath
mahamadh toi sadhav sindhu-thir mupaye-yav 14
uchav bhupati premane mahamadh-virshad
tva deva maharaja das-tva magath 15
mamo-chit sabhu jiya-dhatha tatpashya bho nup
ithi shruthya ththa hata para vismaya-magath16
malechdhano mathi-shasi-tatsaya bhupasaya darutho17

Listening to this, King Bhoj returned back to his kingdom. Mahamad too acompanied him to the banks of the river Sindhu. Affectionately he said to King Bhoj, “Your Lord who is expert in all arts, has now become my slave. See how he eats my left over food.” King saw all that happened.

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DR LIER NAIK ... ignors...14-17



tucha tva kalidas-sthu rusha praah mahamadham
maya-thei nirmithi dhutharya nush-mohan-hethvei 18
hanishyami-duravara vahik purusha-dhamum
ityak va sa jidh shrimanava-raja-tathpar 19
japthya dush-sah-trayach tah-sahansh juhav sa
bhasm mutva sa mayavi malech-dev-tva-magath 20
maybhithashtu tachya-shyaa desh vahii-kamayuuah
guhitva svaguro-bhasm madaheen tva-magatham 21
swapiit tav bhu-ghyot-thro-shrumadh-tathpara
madaheen puro jath thosha trith sayam smurthaum 22

Kalidasa seeing the King engrossed in the illusion created, said to the illusory Mahamad, “O cunning Mahamad, you have constructed an illusion to hypnotize the King. I will destroy the wicked bâhik Saying this, the glorious Brahman performed a ceremony of chanting the navârß jap ten thousand times. He made offerings of one tenth of those in a sacred fire (hom). As a result, the illusionary mlencch transformed into divine ashes.Seeing this, his disciples’ fleed to the bahik lands. They buried the ashes of their Guru and stayed there itself. That place is named as Madaheen (presently known as Madina)

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DR LIAR NAIK... ignors ... 18-22  




rathri sa dev-roop-shav bahu-maya-virshad
paisacha deha-marathaya bhojraj hi so trivith23
arya-dharmo hei to raja-sarvoutham smurth
ishapraya karinayami paishacha dharma darunbhu24

At night, the highly illusionary (Mahamad) who was transformed in devine ashes, taking the form of a demon said to King Bhoj, “Your Ârya dharm is the only dharm that is superior of all. But by the orders of God, I will create a demoniac religion.

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At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters.  



linga-chedri shikha heen, shamshu dhari sa dhushak
uga-laapi, sarva-bhakshi bhavishyati jano mum25
vina kaul cha pashva-stosha bhakshava mata mum
musal-nevo sanskar, kushariv bhavishyathi 26
tasma- musal-vanto hee jathiyo dharma-dhushika
ithi pisacha-dharma bhavishyaat mayaa kruth27

My fellowmen will be those who will do circumcision , will be without shikhâ (the tuft or lock of hair left on the top of head at tonsure), will have beard, will loudly hum in tune , and will eat every thing (sarvabhakshak). I am of opinion that one should eat everything.
As the Kushas, their sanskar will be done by MUSAL, hence their musalman sect will pollute all other religions. Such will be my demoniac religion in future



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My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations."  





glory to our sages!!!!

btw, bhavishyapuran text also supports that: kaaba was/is a shiva temple!!

muslims , while kissin the black stone should remember , tis LORD SHIVA's linga [penis]  


apart from bhavishya purana, nowhere else mo is mentioned in hindu-scripture, tis mere lies of ZAKIR naik


cheers
HomoErectus

Intellectual_fighter wrote:


Atlast,

Buddy, I would love to show your logics against the prophecy on all the billboards all over the internet…..



Well, do it !
I'd love to see a million of muslims here and get a chance to set things straight FOR them !
I promise I won't run away !
Anxiously awaiting your buddies !

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I have a request to you brother, don’t delete your post and mine..


Rest assured, I don't believe in deleting posts, or banning, unless its "troll-activity".
You are not in this category !

You are WELCOME to discuss whatever comes to your mind.


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In the end, let me offer you peace and tranquility from Islam…
There is no God But ALLAH and Muhammad(pbuh) is the last and final messenger of HIM..



Well, let me offer you peace and tranquility WITHOUT any religious concept, and also without fear and oppression, withouth threats and violence, without limits... no "God" needed at this point !


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Islam is truth , therefore, its victory is inevitable…  



Says who ?

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May Allah bless all.



May "allah" bless himself, he needs it more than anybody else !

Besides, are you aware that you havent refuted any of the points I made ?

You have CLAIMS on your side, but no more.
infidel

Where is I_F, run away as usual.

What an indefendable cult islam is, and we have blind followers of it all over claiming its the only true religion. Shame to mobots. Laughing

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