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The treatment of women in Islam

Many Muslims argue that Islam has honored women like no other religion did. I really beg to differ!

This thread is designed to reinterpret women's rights as understood by today's humanity and see if Islam really provide these rights.

Please feel free to throw ideas here of why and why not Islam treats women as they should be treated.

I will start with the first example:

Quote:
34 الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَاء بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَا أَنفَقُواْ مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ فَالصَّالِحَاتُ قَانِتَاتٌ حَافِظَاتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللّهُ وَاللاَّتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ
وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلاَ تَبْغُواْ عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلاً إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ عَلِيّاً كَبِيرا
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Shakir 4:34 Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

yusufali 4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

Pickthal 4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Al-Hilali 4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because All‚h has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to All‚h and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what All‚h orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, All‚h is Ever Most High, Most Great.


Notice how some of the translators introduce words like "lightly" and "If it's useful" I believe out of embarrassment, whilst these words don't exist in Quranic text!!!!

Your thoughts please!
Baal

I prefer to discuss the good that the Koran gives women. So far I found Three rights women have on Earth. I posted a request to get more rights on answering-faithfreedom.org and I have been waiting for Two weeks now.

Here are the rights I found:
1. The right to not be buried.
2. The right to keep her dowry (although she can give it up if asking for a divorce - as per koran)
3. The right to keep her inheritance.

She also has the right to alimony, although islamic sharia states only for one year, a joke for an older woman 40+. So I would like one day to research the take of koran on alimony.)

Some guy from AFF also posted that the women and the man are both punished the same at 100 lashes if non-married and caught in consentual adultery.

And those are the rights I found for women so far. A very far cry from the image muslims paint of how they elevate and treat women. When compared with Rights that men have in the koran, specially over women.

I would like for muslims to list more rights for me. Some people here are muslims, some are in AFF, can you plz ask your muslim contacts to list more rights for women? Plz list something, it is embarrassing even for me, an Arab but a non-muslim.
katlike

I have been told that by letting a woman keep her last name when she marries is an example of her being honored, that it is her right to keep her maiden name. †I am not sure how that makes a difference one way or the other, not to mention, when I was married I could've kept my maiden name if I wanted, so does she have the right to take his name like I had? †Heck, my husband could've taken my name or we could've combined our names and created a new name. †So who has more rights when it comes to this rather benign issue? †I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear praise for this islam given muslimah "right". †(I have no idea if this issue is found in the koran, the ahadiths, or simply custom, but it has been brought up numerous times as an example of how much islam honors woman).

The other "right" a woman has is the right to be maintained, which means fed and clothed. †On some of the muslim forums I visit they really play this one up, both the men and the woman. †Lots of muslimah articles I have read use this as an example of how wonderfully freeing islam is for them. †I don't really see it as freeing, I see it as a trade off, by having the right to be maintained, they now must succumb to the husband's demands, or give up the right to not be beaten. †(Yeah, I know lightly, because we all know how effective a light tap on the shoulder is when you've already stopped communicating and sleeping together †Rolling Eyes † )

The final right that I am aware of is the right to keep her own money if she earns it. †She doesn't need to contribute to the household expenses. †(she's excersising her right to be maintained after all) The problem with this is 2 fold. †What kind of mother would spend money on herself if say the lights or heat were going to be turned off for nonpayment? †Who would want to be married to this type of person? †This is the type of person islam creates with this right. †The other problem is, does this create a partnership between 2 adults? †Marriage should be an ongoing negotiation, it should allow for personal growth, individual challenges, all the while fostering a sense of togetherness. †It's you and me against the world, and you don't have to worry, I am here for you, not because I have to, but because I want to. †islam doesn't seem to create this partnership, it stops it by creating job descriptions instead.

The "rights" granted to woman in islam are rights I already enjoy without trading in my other rights. †Not much there for islam to be proud of in my humble opinion.

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