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Trinity and monotheiesm

Trinity and Monotheism
The first principle of the doctrine of the Trinity is that there is only one, true, eternal, living Being who is God by nature and Maker of heaven and earth.
Trinitarians do not believe that the Father, Son and Holy Sprit are three separate gods.
“I am the Lord and there none else.” (Isa.45:18b)
“There is one God.” (1Tim.2:5)
The evidence is so overwhelming that even the demons understand that there is only one God (James 2:19). Yet, such cults as the Mormons teach that there are billions of gods.
Mohammad had the mistaken idea that the Christians worship three gods-the Father, the Mother and the Son (surah 5:73). He assumed that when Christians referred to God as “the Father”, this meant that the father was an exalted male deity who had a divine consort named Miriam. They had sexual intercourse and she conceived and gave birth to a son called Jesus. WHAT NONSENSE.
Given the pagan background of Mohammad, he erroneously assumed that the Trinity was composed of a male and female deity and that Jesus was the fruit of their sexual intercourse. What else one can expect from a man with his way of life and low level of intelligence?!
Yet the Koran states, “She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.” He said: “So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!”-and it is.” Surah 3:47
Christians do not believe that God the Father is a male deity. They do not believe that Mary was his female consort.
He was supernaturally conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit:
Luke 1:31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.
32”He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His Father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.”
Christians believe: The Father (God), His Word (His Mind and Wisdom) and His Spirit (His soul) are three in One. One cannot imagine a Mighty God who created the earth and heaven and everything in them, has no mind or no soul. Christians believe in a Live God (has Spirit) and has a Mind with which He can create and control His creation.
He took flesh. He came in flesh.1 John 4:2
He took flesh from the Virgin Mary. He did not come from the seed of man. Mat 1:20 & Luke 1:34
It is a union with His Divinity without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration.
Jesus IS GOD, the only God.
That is what Christians believe for over 2000 years, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OTHERS SAY.

The union between the Word and the flesh, or the union between the Divine nature and the human body, is a real union that cannot be separated.
The rod of iron will glow if it is left in fire for a certain time, and the iron could burn. The iron neither lost its nature nor the fire. The iron is a solid mass with specific volume, shape and weight . The fire keeps its nature of glowing and burning. You cannot end the union between iron and fire as long as the iron is hot.
The Divine nature and the human body of Jesus Christ are united in the hypostasis of the Son of God. The new nature combines the properties of the Divine nature and the human flesh.
This shows another reason for the Divine incarnation as not only to dwell among us because of His love and mercy, but to partake of the lives of man because of His Divine love and kindness.
The second reason is the redemption and the salvation of man through accepting death in His flesh instead of man. He redeemed man from eternal punishment as man disobeyed the commandment. This shows the justice of God as well as His love.
AhmedBahgat

LOL

You need to show us from your corrupt Bible how Jesus is the only god

can you do that?
BMZ

Re: Trinity and monotheiesm

ronyvo wrote:
Trinity and Monotheism
The first principle of the doctrine of the Trinity is that there is only one, true, eternal, living Being who is God by nature and Maker of heaven and earth.
Trinitarians do not believe that the Father, Son and Holy Sprit are three separate gods.
“I am the Lord and there none else.” (Isa.45:18b)
“There is one God.” (1Tim.2:5)
The evidence is so overwhelming that even the demons understand that there is only one God (James 2:19). Yet, such cults as the Mormons teach that there are billions of gods.
Mohammad had the mistaken idea that the Christians worship three gods-the Father, the Mother and the Son (surah 5:73). He assumed that when Christians referred to God as “the Father”, this meant that the father was an exalted male deity who had a divine consort named Miriam. They had sexual intercourse and she conceived and gave birth to a son called Jesus. WHAT NONSENSE.
Given the pagan background of Mohammad, he erroneously assumed that the Trinity was composed of a male and female deity and that Jesus was the fruit of their sexual intercourse. What else one can expect from a man with his way of life and low level of intelligence?!
Yet the Koran states, “She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.” He said: “So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!”-and it is.” Surah 3:47
Christians do not believe that God the Father is a male deity. They do not believe that Mary was his female consort.
He was supernaturally conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit:
Luke 1:31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.
32”He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His Father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.”
Christians believe: The Father (God), His Word (His Mind and Wisdom) and His Spirit (His soul) are three in One. One cannot imagine a Mighty God who created the earth and heaven and everything in them, has no mind or no soul. Christians believe in a Live God (has Spirit) and has a Mind with which He can create and control His creation.
He took flesh. He came in flesh.1 John 4:2
He took flesh from the Virgin Mary. He did not come from the seed of man. Mat 1:20 & Luke 1:34
It is a union with His Divinity without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration.
Jesus IS GOD, the only God.
That is what Christians believe for over 2000 years, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OTHERS SAY.



Please don't make fun of monotheism.  Laughing

Quote:
“I am the Lord and there none else.” (Isa.45:18b)
“There is one God.” (1Tim.2:5)
is the end of every other story. This clearly refutes anythingelse. It also means that the so-called Son and Holy Spirit are not gods or part of God. Period.

By the way, Muslims do not believe that there was any intercourse involved. It is a Christian argument thingy, when they discuss. For Muslims, it is very simple, like God said,"Let Mary conceive and lo! and Behold, Mary conceived."

Were the demons aware of Trinity? lol! There was no trinity during the days, when Jesus the man walked the land of Israel. Trinity is a post-Jesus thingy, coined 300+ years, later.

BMZ
David

Re: Trinity and monotheiesm

BMZ wrote:


“I am the Lord and there none else.” (Isa.45:18b)
“There is one God.” (1Tim.2:5) is the end of every other story. This clearly refutes anythingelse. It also means that the so-called Son and Holy Spirit are not gods or part of God. Period.


Yes, there is only one God.  Yes, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not gods or a part of God.

Trinitarians believe in one God and one God only.

BMZ wrote:


By the way, Muslims do not believe that there was any intercourse involved. It is a Christian argument thingy, when they discuss. For Muslims, it is very simple, like God said,"Let Mary conceive and lo! and Behold, Mary conceived."


The Qur'an implies that Christians believe sex was involved and they don't.

BMZ wrote:


Were the demons aware of Trinity? lol! There was no trinity during the days, when Jesus the man walked the land of Israel. Trinity is a post-Jesus thingy, coined 300+ years, later.

BMZ


The term "trinity" was coined in the second century by Tertullian, but the concept is biblical, just as the term "monotheism" is not in the Quran, but the concept is in the Quran.
David

Re: Trinity and monotheiesm

ronyvo wrote:


Mohammad had the mistaken idea that the Christians worship three gods-the Father, the Mother and the Son (surah 5:73). He assumed that when Christians referred to God as “the Father”, this meant that the father was an exalted male deity who had a divine consort named Miriam. They had sexual intercourse and she conceived and gave birth to a son called Jesus. WHAT NONSENSE.


One has to wonder why "Allah" did not refute the Trinity Christians really believe in.  There is no mention of the Holy Spirit as being a part of the Christian Trinity in the Quran. Why not?

My guess is that the people Muhammad came into contact with only mentioned the Father and the Son (Jesus) and; therefore, he was unaware that the Holy Spirit is part of the Christian Trinity.

What do you make of the Quran saying that Jesus and Mary could not be "gods" because they had to eat and sleep?

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