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using the Koran to attack Christians

Using the Koran to attack Christians
Some Muslims replies to my posts citing verses from the Bible. They try to discredit the Bible using those verses.
I was wondering; is it possible that all those Muslims read the Bible?
It is very possible that they didn’t read the Koran.
Lately, I got the answer to my wonder.
Some one gave me a copy of the Koran with 2 columns, one in Arabic and the opposite column is the English translation. THE NOBLE QUR’AN.
Towards the end, the translators cited some verses from the Bible and their comments attacking Christians and trying to discredit the Bible, very ignorantly.
The exact verses and comments which, were used by those Muslims in  few forums, to discredit my posts.
The 2 translators are PhDs. So, the simple reader will not doubt such educated persons.
I am not a scholar, but no scholar is needed to prove the narrow minded and the ignorance of those persons.
For instance, they tried to disprove the ‘story’ of the Cross, by saying:
“The Bible testifies to the fact that Jesus was known among the Jews …..therefore it was unnecessary to hire a Jew for thirty pieces of silver to direct them to Him.”
The answer to that is very simple. There was no TV or Newspaper or even cameras at that time. So, unless whoever seen Him directly and close, will not recognize Him.
In addition, if one of His disciples leads them to Him, there would be no mistake for His identity.

The Koran said that Jesus was not crucified.
All those people who witnessed the crucifixion are ignored and Mohammad who came 700 years later knew better?!
They asked 14 empty questions which expose their utter ignorance. Which could be answered easily.
Besides, all those questions, have been answered, in detail, by many others in many WEB sites. If those “intellectuals” spend some time and effort to search and research, they wouldn’t have dared to print such nonsense and IN THE KORAN (the so called holy).
My big surprise, however, is that they used the HOLY NOBLE Koran to attack the Christians.
This Koran was printed in Saudi Arabia by king Fahd Complex For The Printing of the Holy Koran!!!!
But that should have not surprised me. This is the way Muslims operate. Anything goes to discredit Christianity and show that Islam is correct. They cannot use the sword in the West, so they use all cunning and deceiving tactics and lies.  
They cited from the Bible: ”If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father and He shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you forever.”
They explained this by saying that the “comforter” was Mohammad. What nonsense.
In response:
First: Jesus was soon going to leave the disciples, but he would remain with them. How could this be? The Counselor (which another translation to the Comforter)- the Spirit of God himself- would come after Jesus was gone to care for and guide the disciples. The regenerating power of the Spirit came on the disciples just before Jesus’ ascension (20:22); and the Spirit was poured out on all believers at Pentecost (Acts 2).
Second: The Lord Jesus Christ Himself said: “…and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.” Mathew 24:11
So, actually Mohammad is one of those false prophets The Lord Jesus was talking about.
Besides, they should understand the Holy Trinity before writing such attacks.
BMZ

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ronyvo,

Many Muslims read and study Jewish Tanakh and also the Christian Bible.  I have read both of them very well. Many Muslims also have read Qur'aan and understand it well, like yours truly.

Which translation was given to you, in which the translators cited biblical verses to discredit the Bible? Could you let me know the translators' name?

The Bible is self-contradicting and discredits itself. We just point out.

According to the gospels, Jesus had a multitude of followers, walked about 24,000 kilometres across the holy lands, visiting villages and towns and most of the people had seen him. He was well-known. The triumphal entry had taken place, where the entire population was screaming Hoshana, etc. Almost everyone knew him.

It is thus wrong to say that a disciple was needed and bought out to point him out. I can't buy that.
Perhaps Judas was a traitor right from the start and was an agent of the Romans or the San Hedrin.

However, I will rule Judas out for being an agent of San Hedrin because the Jews did not kill every person who claimed to be a messiah only in the Jewish holy lands, not in any other parts of the  neighbouring Arabia. There were plenty of them and the Jews considered them loonies and madmen. If the Jews had wanted him killed, they could have easily killed him earlier.

The Romans considered him a serious potential threat. They wanted him out but God saved him.

Paul, himself, a false apostle, was never tested, examined and checked out thoroughly by people or the elders. Moreover, after Jesus, there were some prophets and these were accepted. Hope you know that there were prophets after Jesus according to the NT. All false prophets or apostles had to come from the region in which Jesus lived and travelled.

Thus, you will notice something very significant.  Muhammad was not sent into the land of genuine prophets of yore and the land of the false prophets. He was the first prophet sent to Arabs in Arabia. No other prophet or a false prophet came after him in Arabia, at all.

If Muhammad had been sent to Israel, he would have faced the same problem which Jesus faced.
That is why he was not sent to Israel. Thus the false prophets had to come from within Jesus' own people.

Arabs had nothing to do with him. Remember how rude was Jesus with the Canaanite woman, when he gave her the example of "not throwing food to the dogs" and she dumbfounded him with her heart-rendering answer? He could listen to a pagan Gentile Centurion without treating him as one of the dogs but the writer chose to use it for the Canaanite woman. lol! Read it yourself. Cheers!


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Matthew 15:22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

28Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.


Do you seriously believe that Jesus allegedly full of love, broke the golden rule, was a biased person or a racist and he did that? I don't believe he said anything like that. This is the way the gospels were written by biased and polemic minds and that is how the NT contradicts within, on it's own.

Let us take another example:


Quote:
Luke 14:26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.


I know very well what he meant. But look at the horrible language in above. Is this really the way Jesus spoke and is it the correct translation? Wasn't there any word better than than the dirty word HATE, available for the gospel writer or the translators? Why would the man of so-called love use the word HATE? Is that the way he spoke? I don't believe that. That is the way the non-Ph.D gospel writers wrote.

The same message is beautifully given in Qur'aan and there is no HATE word in it. Have you read that? I am sure many Christians and you have not!

Cheers

BMZ

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