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Why should one convert to Christianity?

If I'm going to ask for a thread on why Islam is superior, I should have another thread on Christianity.  Trouble is, I don't believe in proselytizing.  I can't even spell it well, lol, had to check it in Word!

My answer is published at length in my webpages.  Here's the short answer:  religion doesn't do squat to provide a relationship with God.  All religion does is make you nervous and fearful, legalistic and obstreperous to others.

  1. Instead, if God exists, it should be about relationship to God, a personal matter between God and you.

  2. If God is infinite, then Infinitely Perfect, hence Holy, so if creation will exist then it will sin.  
  3. So that offense must be paid for, and the DAMAGE from it must also be made good on.    
  4. For if God exists, there's this HUGE Infinity-finity dichotomy, a problem.  
  5. That's where I think inquiry must start, and that's a breach in the relationship:  the breach means it's too intimidating for the creature to do anything about the breach, and indeed he cannot; and it's too low for God, for creation to exist.  Sin only complicates the problem further.  
  6. So if God is Infinite, then God is Omnipotent, so why not just bing! everything to make it nice all the time?  
  7. Answer?  Then it's never FREE.  
  8. If Truth, it should be FREE.  If FREE it must be fully able to have its own attributes, its own free effects.  Which ends up meaning, full-spectrum, all the negative bads, and all the positive goods.  Without coercion.

  9. Okay, then that means only GOD can MAKE GOOD ON all those free bads.  Yeppers.  So we know by this that God would prefer to WORK AT IT rather than just flick his fingers, so to speak, and have everything be nice and Stepford-wifey.  He'd rather PAY for all the bads, than shave them or stop them or manipulate them.
 

Now, I realize that the above text doesn't convince you to become Christian.  I just can't make myself want to convince you, sorry.  You are saved from hell forever if you ONCE EVER believe that Jesus the Christ paid for your sins, and all I can do is report that.

But why should you decide to believe in Christ, in order to avoid hell?  I sure wouldn't.  No.  Instead, the question should be, "if there is this Infinitely Gorgeous God out there, I WANT A RELATIONSHIP with that God" -- okay, then the book which tells you how to get it, is the book God directly or via humans, wrote.

See, if you're a guy and you meet a wonderful gal you want to have a relationship with her.  So if she's too smart, too rich, too "something" you'll want to bridge that gap between you.  Above all, you'll want to have something you can GIVE her, to express your joy in the relationship.

Ok, now extrapolate that idea to God.  What can we give God?  If God is superior in everything, and we are nothings, it's EXTREMELY uncomfortable, huh.  That's not God saying we should be nothings, WE are feeling that way.  So it would be better for there to be no God, or no relationship, if there is no RESOLUTION to the huge gap between Big God, and little us.

The resolution Bible offers, is to make us LIKE God.  Unilaterally.  But not coerced.  
    1. So after one believes in Christ, that solves the sin problem, and sets up a new potential:  to get God's THINKING in us.  
    2. For Infinity is a CHARACTER of thinking.  Finite soul, immaterial, but 'boundaried' by its thoughts.  
    3. Finite in number, finite in character, and hence the integrity easily breaks down.
    4. Infinity would be Infinite-Quality Thought, ALL of it present at ALL times, in fact timeLESS.

    5. But if Godness is Infinite and Immaterial, then it's THOUGHT, which like math, can be REPLICATED, in the finite human.  
    6. So God ADDED Humanity to Himself to create the STRUCTURE of Infinite-Quality thought CYCLING in the Humanity,
    7. and with that Thinking IN the Humanity, paid for sins.  
    8. Thus the CYCLING STRUCTURE completed on the Cross and can be REPLICATED in us.  Actually, Isaiah says all this in Isaiah 53's Hebrew and LXX texts, and all my webpages are about it.
    9. So what does the alleged holy book tell you is the mechanism for both?  I can't find any, except Bible, which deals with the question.  I can't find any, except Bible, which provides an answer.
    10. So, what I find makes God of the Bible superior to other presentations of Him is that the necessary Infinity Characteristic of God is properly handled, and the SOLUTION to it given that we are finite creation, is also apt.
So, then:  if there is a superior solution to the Infinity-finity dichotomy somewhere else, you should take it.  I can't find one anywhere else.
brainout

So the superiority claim of Bible (not Christians, who largely don't even know much about Bible), is this:

1.  It's a RELATIONSHP, not a religion.
2.  It's a RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, not people.
3.  It's a GROWING UP IN YOUR SOUL, with reference to God, so that you come to think LIKE God.  Obviously, only God could cause this to happen to you, as you consent to learn and live on His Thinking.
4.  So it's a RAPPORT which develops, super-human in nature.  Intimacy with God.  Again, only God could cause this.  Super-human thinking requires super-human power granted BY God, as you consent.

Consent is superior, because Love is superior.  Righteousness/Justice cannot fulfill itself, but only assert standards and their enforcement.  Love for Righteousness/Justice, alone fulfills either one. {Nerd note:  "Righteousness/Justice" is meaning of Hebrew tsedekah or Greek dikaiosune;  you cannot divorce the concepts like we do in English.}

Conclusion?  Everything about it would be higher.  So it's not even ABOUT morality, it's its own universe of relationship.

Obviously, if God exists and is perfect, His Integrity would be higher than human.  So too, then EVERY THOUGHT would have a PERFECTION standard, so automatically you'd be more moral -- well, as you practice thinking that way you will become so.  But becoming more moral is but a byproduct.  You're actually instead training to learn to be in a relationship with God.

Think of the athlete.  He's really trying to achieve certain sports goals.  A byproduct of this is that he avoids alcohol (it hurts his performance), he probably avoids sex (he's too busy practicing, at least), he avoids bad foods (which hurt his performance), and he inflicts on himself a rigorous schedule (so learns to delay gratification, and as a result becomes more humble and patient).  And so on.

Notice that his goal is not to become more moral, but in the process of going after the goal he WANTS, he does 'happen' to become more moral.

So morality is just a good thing for the body, of itself having no value except to make life nice for the body and for life with other people.  That's good, but it's not spiritual.

Yet if pursuing the spiritual, naturally one engages in athletic thinking which also adds to any morality one needs to have, for the body and for relationship with other people.

Bible is all about this:  go after life with GOD -- which you'd want to do, if He's Gorgeous, naturlich -- and the rest (i.e., becoming more moral, or a better person, happier with people) will come along for the ride.  "Seek first the kingdom of God..."

Sadly, people distort Christianity into a religion, and bludgeon others about morality.  Again, Christians don't know what the Bible says, and just like other humans will distort any God-ideas into instruments of control.  So read the Bible if at all, with God and God alone, asking Him questions as you do this.  You need a teacher, keyed to your personality, and God has selected one.  So if you have believed in Christ, then find the teacher, ask God to make him (never a her) known to you.  Then just do that.  GodSystem.htm in my webpages outlines the very simple five 'pillars' of the spiritual life.  No ritual.  Just learning God via Bible, and living on what you learn.
kafir forever

Good question.  You have not answered it for me, but maybe for others.
brainout

kafir forever wrote:
Good question.  You have not answered it for me, but maybe for others.


Right, kafir.  I just can't do the salesman thing.  Discussing/debating analytical points, fine.  But telling someone what THEY should believe?  No.  I won't let it be done to me, and I don't want to do it to others.  Good thing I'm not a preacher, huh...
Mutley

brainout wrote:
So the superiority claim of Bible (not Christians, who largely don't even know much about Bible), is this:

1.  It's a RELATIONSHP, not a religion.
2.  It's a RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, not people.
3.  It's a GROWING UP IN YOUR SOUL, with reference to God, so that you come to think LIKE God.  Obviously, only God could cause this to happen to you, as you consent to learn and live on His Thinking.
4.  So it's a RAPPORT which develops, super-human in nature.  Intimacy with God.  Again, only God could cause this.  Super-human thinking requires super-human power granted BY God, as you consent.

Consent is superior, because Love is superior.  Righteousness/Justice cannot fulfill itself, but only assert standards and their enforcement.  Love for Righteousness/Justice, alone fulfills either one. {Nerd note:  "Righteousness/Justice" is meaning of Hebrew tsedekah or Greek dikaiosune;  you cannot divorce the concepts like we do in English.}

Conclusion?  Everything about it would be higher.  So it's not even ABOUT morality, it's its own universe of relationship.

Obviously, if God exists and is perfect, His Integrity would be higher than human.  So too, then EVERY THOUGHT would have a PERFECTION standard, so automatically you'd be more moral -- well, as you practice thinking that way you will become so.  But becoming more moral is but a byproduct.  You're actually instead training to learn to be in a relationship with God.

Think of the athlete.  He's really trying to achieve certain sports goals.  A byproduct of this is that he avoids alcohol (it hurts his performance), he probably avoids sex (he's too busy practicing, at least), he avoids bad foods (which hurt his performance), and he inflicts on himself a rigorous schedule (so learns to delay gratification, and as a result becomes more humble and patient).  And so on.

Notice that his goal is not to become more moral, but in the process of going after the goal he WANTS, he does 'happen' to become more moral.

So morality is just a good thing for the body, of itself having no value except to make life nice for the body and for life with other people.  That's good, but it's not spiritual.

Yet if pursuing the spiritual, naturally one engages in athletic thinking which also adds to any morality one needs to have, for the body and for relationship with other people.

Bible is all about this:  go after life with GOD -- which you'd want to do, if He's Gorgeous, naturlich -- and the rest (i.e., becoming more moral, or a better person, happier with people) will come along for the ride.  "Seek first the kingdom of God..."

Sadly, people distort Christianity into a religion, and bludgeon others about morality.  Again, Christians don't know what the Bible says, and just like other humans will distort any God-ideas into instruments of control.  So read the Bible if at all, with God and God alone, asking Him questions as you do this.  You need a teacher, keyed to your personality, and God has selected one.  So if you have believed in Christ, then find the teacher, ask God to make him (never a her) known to you.


There's an interesting Eastern saying that says when the student is ready, the teacher will come.

brainout wrote:

Then just do that.  GodSystem.htm in my webpages outlines the very simple five 'pillars' of the spiritual life.  No ritual.  Just learning God via Bible, and living on what you learn.


I thought you said that you don't prosthelitize?
kafir forever

brainout wrote:
kafir forever wrote:
Good question.  You have not answered it for me, but maybe for others.


Right, kafir.  I just can't do the salesman thing.  Discussing/debating analytical points, fine.  But telling someone what THEY should believe?  No.  I won't let it be done to me, and I don't want to do it to others.  Good thing I'm not a preacher, huh...


You said it, not me.  Very Happy
brainout

Mutley, I don't proseylitize.  I explain.  Those webpages grew out of chatrooms where like here, I was asked so many questions I'd be typing for 24 hours at a time.  So to save time, I wrote them.  Then they became an audit.

So I quote the page just to save time.  Whether someone reads or not, agrees or not, is not my affair.

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