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cosmicdancer

Will the Real Islam Please Stand Up!

Just made this video - didn't spend time on it - just had some spare time and did it off the top of my head - just a bit of fun lol

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2tWIZyGhUaU

Smile
HomoErectus

Just seen it... very good !

I like it !

and aside from the content... the simple visual "tricks" you use, are the best, always !
AhmedBahgat

The true Islam is standing up for 1400 years in its Quran, and it is still standing, The fact is this according to the Quran, it is the flawed humans whom been set upon by veils, that is why they can't see it (the Quran) standing up and standing out

cheers
Pazuzu bin Hanbi

That makes one hell of a lot of flawed humans since none of them seem to stand for the ‘true’ Islâm. And it makes me wonder about Islâm having something inherently wrong with it that so many people can’t seem to put it into practice properly!

Great video, cosmicdancer, I really enjoyed it. I watched Baba Ali’s stuff afterwards and 3 words kept going through my head: annoying fucking git.
AhmedBahgat

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
That makes one hell of a lot of flawed humans since none of them seem to stand for the ‘true’ Islâm. And it makes me wonder about Islâm having something inherently wrong with it that so many people can’t seem to put it into practice properly!
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That is exactly right, MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, MOST PEOLPLE ARE EITHER KAFIROON OR MUSHRIKOON THEREFOROE MOST PEOPLE ARE DESTINED TO HELL, makes great sense to me, hope I'm not one of those doomed ones inshaalllah
Pazuzu bin Hanbi

You don’t even know? You denounce others and yet can’t guarantee that you live the good life according to the rules and dictates of your own religion? How pathetic! Worse: utterly random, and completely lacking any connection with the moral character of the believer. Sahih Bukhari logs Muhammad himself as fearing hellfire. The one supposedly touched by god with a new divine revelation, yet even HE couldn’t guarantee his own place in heaven for following god’s will!
AhmedBahgat

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
You don’t even know? You denounce others and yet can’t guarantee that you live the good life according to the rules and dictates of your own religion? How pathetic! Worse: utterly random, and completely lacking any connection with the moral character of the believer. Sahih Bukhari logs Muhammad himself as fearing hellfire. The one supposedly touched by god with a new divine revelation, yet even HE couldn’t guarantee his own place in heaven for following god’s will!


sorry, had to dismiss your usual crap

dismissed
BMZ

Re: Will the Real Islam Please Stand Up!

cosmicdancer wrote:
Just made this video - didn't spend time on it - just had some spare time and did it off the top of my head - just a bit of fun lol

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2tWIZyGhUaU

Smile


CD,

The real Islam is not just standing on the internet. It has been standing there right on the gound and will be standing there.

Salaams
BMZ
BMZ

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
You don’t even know? You denounce others and yet can’t guarantee that you live the good life according to the rules and dictates of your own religion? How pathetic! Worse: utterly random, and completely lacking any connection with the moral character of the believer. Sahih Bukhari logs Muhammad himself as fearing hellfire. The one supposedly touched by god with a new divine revelation, yet even HE couldn’t guarantee his own place in heaven for following god’s will!


Pazuzu,

Phuddu (calling you that affectionately as I call some of my close friends)

You see you don't need any Bukhari here. If you had read Qur'aan, it would be clear.

The part relevat to this, is already there in the verses 9-10 in Surah 46 Al-Ahqaf:
"Wa ma adree ma yuf-alo-bee wa la baykum, in at-tabbay-o illa ma yuhaa illayya wa ma ana illa nazeer-um-mubeen."

Please read some good translation and try to understand. Do you speak Urdu? If you do, I wish to translate that for you in Urdu.

BMZ
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
You don’t even know? You denounce others and yet can’t guarantee that you live the good life according to the rules and dictates of your own religion? How pathetic! Worse: utterly random, and completely lacking any connection with the moral character of the believer. Sahih Bukhari logs Muhammad himself as fearing hellfire. The one supposedly touched by god with a new divine revelation, yet even HE couldn’t guarantee his own place in heaven for following god’s will!


sorry, had to dismiss your usual crap

dismissed

A common faithhead fallacy. Since you are so critical of others, you think it is only fair to be critical of yourself.

But we are not doubting your sense of fairness. You are FULLY within your right, to doubt yourself by as much as you doubt others.

However it is the complete act of doubting your path to heaven, BASED on things completely out of line with you being a moral person.

You are treating the path to heaven as a puzzle that you might get lucky and solve or you might not. Instead of just worrying about being good.

You seem to think that there is certain rituals and truth that you have to do and uncover, and if you do them in the right order then you get to heaven, else you are a mushrik and you burn. That is what Pazuz is talking about. The utter randomness of the path to your heaven.
AhmedBahgat

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
You don’t even know? You denounce others and yet can’t guarantee that you live the good life according to the rules and dictates of your own religion? How pathetic! Worse: utterly random, and completely lacking any connection with the moral character of the believer. Sahih Bukhari logs Muhammad himself as fearing hellfire. The one supposedly touched by god with a new divine revelation, yet even HE couldn’t guarantee his own place in heaven for following god’s will!


sorry, had to dismiss your usual crap

dismissed


Baal wrote:
A common faithhead fallacy. Since you are so critical of others, you think it is only fair to be critical of yourself.


well, I don't mind other to criticise me, however what I can only do is to reply or dismiss them

Baal wrote:
But we are not doubting your sense of fairness. You are FULLY within your right, to doubt yourself by as much as you doubt others.


Well, it is not about being fair, it is about more than that, for example, it can be logical, for example, if god is cruel then I can not do nothing about it, that is why I have to always hope that regardless what god will be that he is not going to be angry with me

Baal wrote:

However it is the complete act of doubting your path to heaven, BASED on things completely out of line with you being a moral person.


and even if I'm an angelic person, I just can't gurantee that the god will certainly save me, I only can keep the faith, nothing more really

Baal wrote:

You are treating the path to heaven as a puzzle that you might get lucky and solve or you might not. Instead of just worrying about being good.


whatever way you want to look at it, fine with me, you want to consider a loto ticket or a mere luck or possible full understanding of how the god works, is fine with me

Baal wrote:
You seem to think that there is certain rituals and truth that you have to do and uncover, and if you do them in the right order then you get to heaven,


absoutely not

Baal wrote:
else you are a mushrik and you burn. That is what Pazuz is talking about. The utter randomness of the path to your heaven.


absoutely not
HomoErectus

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:

The one supposedly touched by god with a new divine revelation, yet even HE couldn’t guarantee his own place in heaven for following god’s will!




Maybe muhammad, deep inside, KNEW that he was committing some major sins and crimes !

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AhmedBahgat

LOL, homo knows well how to use the words "deep inside"
HomoErectus

But then, you are the "bent over"...

Who are you bending over for ?

Maybe for getting fudged 5 times a day ? Twisted Evil

.
Pazuzu bin Hanbi

AhmedBahgat wrote:
LOL, homo
in this instance simply means ‘man’.
Anti-Jihad

BMZ wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
You don’t even know? You denounce others and yet can’t guarantee that you live the good life according to the rules and dictates of your own religion? How pathetic! Worse: utterly random, and completely lacking any connection with the moral character of the believer. Sahih Bukhari logs Muhammad himself as fearing hellfire. The one supposedly touched by god with a new divine revelation, yet even HE couldn’t guarantee his own place in heaven for following god’s will!


Pazuzu,

Phuddu (calling you that affectionately as I call some of my close friends)

You see you don't need any Bukhari here. If you had read Qur'aan, it would be clear.

The part relevat to this, is already there in the verses 9-10 in Surah 46 Al-Ahqaf:
"Wa ma adree ma yuf-alo-bee wa la baykum, in at-tabbay-o illa ma yuhaa illayya wa ma ana illa nazeer-um-mubeen."

Please read some good translation and try to understand. Do you speak Urdu? If you do, I wish to translate that for you in Urdu.

BMZ


I know urdu, go ahead translate that in urdu for me.
Pazuzu bin Hanbi

I do too. I’d like to see your translation of this into Urdu…
Tvebak

Re: Will the Real Islam Please Stand Up!

cosmicdancer wrote:
Just made this video - didn't spend time on it - just had some spare time and did it off the top of my head - just a bit of fun lol

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2tWIZyGhUaU

Smile


Lol CD, especially funny if you know the guy already. And the mike is perfect!
cosmicdancer

AhmedBahgat wrote:
The true Islam is standing up for 1400 years in its Quran, and it is still standing, The fact is this according to the Quran, it is the flawed humans whom been set upon by veils, that is why they can't see it (the Quran) standing up and standing out

cheers


Then there's not much point in the Qur'an then if hardly anyone understands it properly - apart from you, of course, Ahmad Wink
ronyvo

AhmedBahgat wrote:
The true Islam is standing up for 1400 years in its Quran, and it is still standing, The fact is this according to the Quran, it is the flawed humans whom been set upon by veils, that is why they can't see it (the Quran) standing up and standing out

cheers

1- What is a true Islam?
   Is there fake Islam?

2- Yes, Islam is standing up for 1400 years, because it was contained in the Middle East, where no one dares to ask questions, including Muslims.

“O who you believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask about them while the Qur’an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most forbearing.” 5:101
“Before you, a community asked such questions, then on that account they became disbelievers” 5:102

3- And, Islam is standing out now, because of the ugly terrorist attacks on innocent humanbeings (the infidels) in the West (outside the ME).

Now, watch the fall of Islam.
AhmedBahgat

Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:

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Baal wrote:

You are treating the path to heaven as a puzzle that you might get lucky and solve or you might not. Instead of just worrying about being good.

whatever way you want to look at it, fine with me, you want to consider a loto ticket or a mere luck or possible full understanding of how the god works, is fine with me

Baal wrote:
You seem to think that there is certain rituals and truth that you have to do and uncover, and if you do them in the right order then you get to heaven,

absoutely not

Baal wrote:
else you are a mushrik and you burn. That is what Pazuzu is talking about. The utter randomness of the path to your heaven.

absoutely not

What are you talking about Ahmed. The path set in islam is a total random puzzle. What is good and what is bad is completely arbitrary and is only dependent on how you interpret certain puzzles in the koran.

Puzzle: Certain bad acts are good if you do them to infidels but bad if you do them to muslims (who is a muslim?). Certain good acts like friendship are only good if you if you do them with muslims (who is the non-muslim?)

Certain acts is a fahisha if you do with a woman but is not fahisha if possessed by your right hand (who is possessed by the right hand). What if the man is possessed by the right hand of the woman.

What is this sh1t? who needs this? what a waste that Egypt had to waste Two bright minds like yours and mine on this sh1t. And half of Cosmic's brain since he is half an egyptian. Wtf. Instead of you and me discussing a better faster algorithm, we are discussing solving a puzzle if a sharmoota should be considered a possesion of the right hand or not.

If this is what you think is important then so be it. Allahu Akbar, Ahmidak Ya Rab, Subhanak, Allahu A3lam, Sadak Allahu Al 3AZEEM Ya manta kareem Ya Rab, Bismillah Ar Rahman Ar Raheem (Because his name in Yemen was Rahman btw).
BMZ

ronyvo wrote:
2- Yes, Islam is standing up for 1400 years, because it was contained in the Middle East, where no one dares to ask questions, including Muslims.

“O who you believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask about them while the Qur’an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most forbearing.” 5:101
“Before you, a community asked such questions, then on that account they became disbelievers” 5:102

3- And, Islam is standing out now, because of the ugly terrorist attacks on innocent humanbeings (the infidels) in the West (outside the ME).

Now, watch the fall of Islam.


For your information, 5:101-102 simply told people not to ask silly questions. People in the backward centuries of 1-3 AD and before that had done the same by asking Moses and Jesus lots of stupid and ridiculous questions. And when they were answered, they never understood and became confused and convoluted minds.

If you read the Christian Bible, you will see what had happened. Jesus' own disciples used to ask silly and ridiculous questions. When he answered, none understood. Jesus even went to the extent of making the bunches sit down and explain but they never understood.

Had they understood, they would have followed his Way and there would not have been any need to come up with trinity, hypostatic union, incarnation and other silly and confounding doctrines.

Worry about the downfall of Christianity. It is almost dead in Europe. Thanks for the good laugh of the day.  Laughing

BMZ
Baal

BMZ, your concern about the successful 10% of this planet is duly noted. Let's hope they go down soon so we can all be in the mud together. Instead of inspiring to reach them BMZ, let us sit and hope they come down to us. I mean really why not. So we can all have the same belief system and stop shopping around for beliefs, no? And once we all have the same belief then obviously it will be peace on Earth. Just like it is peace on Earth among all the Arab nations who love each other and do not have rape or AIDS.
David

BMZ wrote:


If you read the Christian Bible, you will see what had happened. Jesus' own disciples used to ask silly and ridiculous questions. When he answered, none understood. Jesus even went to the extent of making the bunches sit down and explain but they never understood.


They understood him perfectly after Jesus rose from the dead.

BMZ wrote:


Had they understood, they would have followed his Way and there would not have been any need to come up with trinity, hypostatic union, incarnation and other silly and confounding doctrines.  


Christians do follow the Way.  It is precisely because the followers of Jesus did understand who he claimed to be after he rose from the dead that the trinity, hypostatic union and the incarnation were necessary to make sense of his claims.

BMZ wrote:


Worry about the downfall of Christianity. It is almost dead in Europe. Thanks for the good laugh of the day.  Laughing

BMZ


Don't worry about Christianity, BMZ.  It is far, far from being in a downfall.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/69001.aspx

http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Muslims2Christianity.htm

http://isaalmasih.net/isa/dreams-philippines.html

The following site gives lots of data:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/are_muslims_lea.php

Google: Muslims converting to Christianity and look for more reports.

Look what is going on in Burma:

http://www.christianaid.org/Missionaries/MIR/mir20080318.aspx

Look what is going on in China:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html

Ten thousand Chinese become Christians each day, according to a stunning report by the National Catholic Reporter's veteran correspondent John Allen, and 200 million Chinese may comprise the world's largest concentration of Christians by mid-century, and the largest missionary force in history. [1] If you read a single news article about China this year, make sure it is this one.

I suspect that even the most enthusiastic accounts err on the downside, and that Christianity will have become a Sino-centric religion two generations from now. China may be for the 21st century what Europe was during the 8th-11th centuries, and America has been during the past 200 years: the natural ground for mass evangelization. If this occurs, the world will change beyond our capacity to recognize it. Islam might defeat the western Europeans, simply by replacing their diminishing numbers with immigrants, but it will crumble beneath the challenge from the East.

Years ago I speculated that if Mecca ever is razed, it will be by an African army marching north; now the greatest danger to Islam is the prospect of a Chinese army marching west.
ronyvo

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.

Guess, who I would believe?????
ronyvo

David wrote:
BMZ wrote:


If you read the Christian Bible, you will see what had happened. Jesus' own disciples used to ask silly and ridiculous questions. When he answered, none understood. Jesus even went to the extent of making the bunches sit down and explain but they never understood.


They understood him perfectly after Jesus rose from the dead.

BMZ wrote:


Had they understood, they would have followed his Way and there would not have been any need to come up with trinity, hypostatic union, incarnation and other silly and confounding doctrines.  


Christians do follow the Way.  It is precisely because the followers of Jesus did understand who he claimed to be after he rose from the dead that the trinity, hypostatic union and the incarnation were necessary to make sense of his claims.

BMZ wrote:


Worry about the downfall of Christianity. It is almost dead in Europe. Thanks for the good laugh of the day.  Laughing

BMZ


Don't worry about Christianity, BMZ.  It is far, far from being in a downfall.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/69001.aspx

http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Muslims2Christianity.htm

http://isaalmasih.net/isa/dreams-philippines.html

The following site gives lots of data:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/are_muslims_lea.php

Google: Muslims converting to Christianity and look for more reports.

Look what is going on in Burma:

http://www.christianaid.org/Missionaries/MIR/mir20080318.aspx

Look what is going on in China:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html

Ten thousand Chinese become Christians each day, according to a stunning report by the National Catholic Reporter's veteran correspondent John Allen, and 200 million Chinese may comprise the world's largest concentration of Christians by mid-century, and the largest missionary force in history. [1] If you read a single news article about China this year, make sure it is this one.

I suspect that even the most enthusiastic accounts err on the downside, and that Christianity will have become a Sino-centric religion two generations from now. China may be for the 21st century what Europe was during the 8th-11th centuries, and America has been during the past 200 years: the natural ground for mass evangelization. If this occurs, the world will change beyond our capacity to recognize it. Islam might defeat the western Europeans, simply by replacing their diminishing numbers with immigrants, but it will crumble beneath the challenge from the East.

Years ago I speculated that if Mecca ever is razed, it will be by an African army marching north; now the greatest danger to Islam is the prospect of a Chinese army marching west.


Dear David, BMZ is one of those Muslims who is very well brain washed and AGAIN will take in you empty and nonesense circles.

Either he is not living in our world or burry his head in the sand.
"downfall of Christianity"!!
He is fishing those false reports and hang on them ignoring the facts. That millions and millions of Muslims are leaving Islam.
But, that is typical islamic. I know. I lived the horrible islamic system for over 25 years.
AhmedBahgat

ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.

Guess, who I would believe?????


Hmm, I don't get whaqt you are saying?

so you admit of being dumb?

this must be the case because 5:101-102 does not say "don't ask questions about the Quran:, i guess you had to swing into damage recovery mode which seems not working either
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.

Guess, who I would believe?????


Hmm, I don't get whaqt you are saying?

so you admit of being dumb?

this must be the case because 5:101-102 does not say "don't ask questions about the Quran:, i guess you had to swing into damage recovery mode which seems not working either

Yep, Typical Islamic Answer:
Start with a satire about your opponent being smart, then bring it to the irony of him being Dumb.

Here is 5:101:
{ يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْ أَشْيَآءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُمْ وَإِن تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْهَا حِينَ يُنَزَّلُ ٱلْقُرْآنُ تُبْدَ لَكُمْ عَفَا ٱللَّهُ عَنْهَا وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ }


Here is 5:102:
{ قَدْ سَأَلَهَا قَوْمٌ مِّن قَبْلِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَصْبَحُواْ بِهَا كَافِرِينَ }

I believe the English translation is posted earlier in this thread.

Here you have Muhammad/Allah begging people to not ask questions. What is so hard or confusing about the intention of this passage?
AhmedBahgat

Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.

Guess, who I would believe?????


Hmm, I don't get whaqt you are saying?

so you admit of being dumb?

this must be the case because 5:101-102 does not say "don't ask questions about the Quran:, i guess you had to swing into damage recovery mode which seems not working either

Yep, Typical Islamic Answer:
Start with a satire about your opponent being smart, then bring it to the irony of him being Dumb.

Here is 5:101:
{ يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْ أَشْيَآءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُمْ وَإِن تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْهَا حِينَ يُنَزَّلُ ٱلْقُرْآنُ تُبْدَ لَكُمْ عَفَا ٱللَّهُ عَنْهَا وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ }


Here is 5:102:
{ قَدْ سَأَلَهَا قَوْمٌ مِّن قَبْلِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَصْبَحُواْ بِهَا كَافِرِينَ }

I believe the English translation is posted earlier in this thread.

Here you have Muhammad/Allah begging people to not ask questions. What is so hard or confusing about the intention of this passage?


read this you dumb who knows no arabic:

وَإِن تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْهَا حِينَ يُنَزَّلُ ٱلْقُرْآنُ تُبْدَ لَكُمْ عَفَا ٱللَّهُ عَنْهَا
Baal

Read this you dumb who knows no arabic:

يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْ أَشْيَآءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُم

and this:

قَدْ سَأَلَهَا قَوْمٌ مِّن قَبْلِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَصْبَحُواْ بِهَا كَافِرِينَ
AhmedBahgat

Baal wrote:
Read this you dumb who knows no arabic:

يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْ أَشْيَآءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُم

and this:

قَدْ سَأَلَهَا قَوْمٌ مِّن قَبْلِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَصْبَحُواْ بِهَا كَافِرِينَ


and why did you remove the text in between you conman?
BMZ

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
Read this you dumb who knows no arabic:

يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْ أَشْيَآءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُم

and this:

قَدْ سَأَلَهَا قَوْمٌ مِّن قَبْلِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَصْبَحُواْ بِهَا كَافِرِينَ


and why did you remove the text in between you conman?


Hello, mate

That comes from the con culture of polemics. lol! Their job is to omit, twist and turn the meanings, fraudulently.

"Ra'aina wa a'asa'ana" instead of "Same'aana wa ataa'ana".  Very Happy

Does the name of that goon Apple_Pie ring a bell? Baal has learnt a lot from that FFI goon.

Salaams

BMZ
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
Read this you dumb who knows no arabic:

يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْ أَشْيَآءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُم

and this:

قَدْ سَأَلَهَا قَوْمٌ مِّن قَبْلِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَصْبَحُواْ بِهَا كَافِرِينَ


and why did you remove the text in between you conman?

Excuse me? You are the one who posted the text in the middle and ignored the text before and after.

I am just giving you the rest of your dinner. Wouldn't want you to take sh1t out of context.
AhmedBahgat

Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
Read this you dumb who knows no arabic:

يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْ أَشْيَآءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُم

and this:

قَدْ سَأَلَهَا قَوْمٌ مِّن قَبْلِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَصْبَحُواْ بِهَا كَافِرِينَ


and why did you remove the text in between you conman?

Excuse me? You are the one who posted the text in the middle and ignored the text before and after.

I am just giving you the rest of your dinner. Wouldn't want you to take sh1t out of context.


because that is what I meant to highlight for the goon, however read it all conman, the verse only orders the Muslims not ask questions that are not in the Quran while on the other hand it encourages them to ask questions regarding what is sent in the Quran, read it again mister conman
Baal

Nice rosy glasses you wear while reading the koran Ahmed.

This verse scares you into not asking about anything that is not in the koran.

Because it might harm you (101) and because some people asked and became Kafirs (102).

Also the part where the koran is addressing people, before the koran is made is duly noted. A book made since the beginning of creation, made to last till the end of creation. Yet it addresses people in the 13 years during which the koran is being descended.

Duly noted Ahmed.
ronyvo

AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.
Ahmed, are you happy now.
You have  excersised your Islamic vertue, rudness and name calling.
As I said TYPICAL Islamic.

Guess, who I would believe?????


Hmm, I don't get whaqt you are saying?

so you admit of being dumb?

this must be the case because 5:101-102 does not say "don't ask questions about the Quran:, i guess you had to swing into damage recovery mode which seems not working either

AGAIN, TYPICAL ISLAMIC.
Are you happy now?
You have excersised the islamic vertue 'rudness and call naming.

But, just say that your interpretaion of 5:101-102 is correct (wjich is definetly not), why Mohammad want the Muslims to stay ignorant by not asking what is NOT in the Koran?
AhmedBahgat

ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.
Ahmed, are you happy now.
You have  excersised your Islamic vertue, rudness and name calling.
As I said TYPICAL Islamic.

Guess, who I would believe?????


Hmm, I don't get whaqt you are saying?

so you admit of being dumb?

this must be the case because 5:101-102 does not say "don't ask questions about the Quran:, i guess you had to swing into damage recovery mode which seems not working either

AGAIN, TYPICAL ISLAMIC.
Are you happy now?
You have excersised the islamic vertue 'rudness and call naming.

But, just say that your interpretaion of 5:101-102 is correct (wjich is definetly not), why Mohammad want the Muslims to stay ignorant by not asking what is NOT in the Koran?


can't you read the verse and understad or you suffer from a very low IQ?

well, the verses say because the dumb jews and christians used to ask the same stupid questions that were not in their scriptures which lead to them being kafiroon like you

now piss off
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.
Ahmed, are you happy now.
You have  excersised your Islamic vertue, rudness and name calling.
As I said TYPICAL Islamic.

Guess, who I would believe?????


Hmm, I don't get whaqt you are saying?

so you admit of being dumb?

this must be the case because 5:101-102 does not say "don't ask questions about the Quran:, i guess you had to swing into damage recovery mode which seems not working either

AGAIN, TYPICAL ISLAMIC.
Are you happy now?
You have excersised the islamic vertue 'rudness and call naming.

But, just say that your interpretaion of 5:101-102 is correct (wjich is definetly not), why Mohammad want the Muslims to stay ignorant by not asking what is NOT in the Koran?


can't you read the verse and understad or you suffer from a very low IQ?

well, the verses say because the dumb jews and christians used to ask the same stupid questions that were not in their scriptures which lead to them being kafiroon like you

now piss off

Either we are using Hadith, either we are NOT using Hadith. Make up your mind on this.
AhmedBahgat

where is the hadith that I posted mister conman?
Baal

Again, I will pose the question, either we use hadith either we do not use hadith?

How did you know about what you just said:

"well, the verses say because the dumb jews and christians used to ask the same stupid questions that were not in their scriptures..."
AhmedBahgat

Baal wrote:
Again, I will pose the question, either we use hadith either we do not use hadith?

How did you know about what you just said:

"well, the verses say because the dumb jews and christians used to ask the same stupid questions that were not in their scriptures..."


and I will say it one more time, I use anything that is qualified by the Quran, being a hadith being darwin saying, i don't give a fuk, on the other hand I never used hadith in my comments above, are you confused or somethin?
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
Again, I will pose the question, either we use hadith either we do not use hadith?

How did you know about what you just said:

"well, the verses say because the dumb jews and christians used to ask the same stupid questions that were not in their scriptures..."


and I will say it one more time, I use anything that is qualified by the Quran, being a hadith being darwin saying, i don't give a fuk, on the other hand I never used hadith in my comments above, are you confused or somethin?

I will state that this verse has NOTHING to do with jews and christians asking about unknowns.

Your statement regarding the questions jews are asking is being *too* specific as to *add* to the koran.

So unless you can source your opinion (the hadith), then it will be dismissed.
AhmedBahgat

Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
Again, I will pose the question, either we use hadith either we do not use hadith?

How did you know about what you just said:

"well, the verses say because the dumb jews and christians used to ask the same stupid questions that were not in their scriptures..."


and I will say it one more time, I use anything that is qualified by the Quran, being a hadith being darwin saying, i don't give a fuk, on the other hand I never used hadith in my comments above, are you confused or somethin?

I will state that this verse has NOTHING to do with jews and christians asking about unknowns.

Your statement regarding the questions jews are asking is being *too* specific as to *add* to the koran.

So unless you can source your opinion (the hadith), then it will be dismissed.



a kafir can state what he wants, the fact stays the same, the verse says the people before you, i.e. it covers the jews and christians the least, no hadith is required mister conman

please dismiss your fat arse
Baal

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
Again, I will pose the question, either we use hadith either we do not use hadith?

How did you know about what you just said:

"well, the verses say because the dumb jews and christians used to ask the same stupid questions that were not in their scriptures..."


and I will say it one more time, I use anything that is qualified by the Quran, being a hadith being darwin saying, i don't give a fuk, on the other hand I never used hadith in my comments above, are you confused or somethin?

I will state that this verse has NOTHING to do with jews and christians asking about unknowns.

Your statement regarding the questions jews are asking is being *too* specific as to *add* to the koran.

So unless you can source your opinion (the hadith), then it will be dismissed.



a kafir can state what he wants, the fact stays the same, the verse says the people before you, i.e. it covers the jews and christians the least, no hadith is required mister conman

please dismiss your fat arse

Again, you are being very specific, stating "the J and the C asking about what is *not* in their scripture".

So far you are just stating an opinion and your opinion is too specific. Your opinion only covers a small sub-set of the possibilities covered by the koran. So either back your opinion either dismiss it.
AhmedBahgat

Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
Again, I will pose the question, either we use hadith either we do not use hadith?

How did you know about what you just said:

"well, the verses say because the dumb jews and christians used to ask the same stupid questions that were not in their scriptures..."


and I will say it one more time, I use anything that is qualified by the Quran, being a hadith being darwin saying, i don't give a fuk, on the other hand I never used hadith in my comments above, are you confused or somethin?

I will state that this verse has NOTHING to do with jews and christians asking about unknowns.

Your statement regarding the questions jews are asking is being *too* specific as to *add* to the koran.

So unless you can source your opinion (the hadith), then it will be dismissed.



a kafir can state what he wants, the fact stays the same, the verse says the people before you, i.e. it covers the jews and christians the least, no hadith is required mister conman

please dismiss your fat arse

Again, you are being very specific, stating "the J and the C asking about what is *not* in their scripture".

So far you are just stating an opinion and your opinion is too specific. Your opinion only covers a small sub-set of the possibilities covered by the koran. So either back your opinion either dismiss it.



again, the Quran talks specifically J and C in many location, and becauser ths verse is a religious advice then when the Quran says the people before you then it should COVER the J and C

you are dismissed
Baal

Not at all, it does not just cover J & C & Pagans. it covers M as well since they probably asked questions as well.

Also it covers anything not in the Koran till our time. This verse, in its current form, prevent you today, a muslim, from asking things not in the koran.
AhmedBahgat

People BEFORE you

it does not cover the M, mister smart, how come the M is before the M?, I told ya, dismiss yourself

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