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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:04 pm    Post subject: What do ex Muslims convert to and why?  Reply with quote

I've met many new Buddhists and atheists who are ex Christians.

I've met many new Christians who are ex Muslims.

I've met new Muslims (not many) who are ex Hindus.

But overwhelmingly, many ex Muslims seem to favor Christianity. They almost never become Hindu, Buddhist or atheist.

I've been wondering, does the predictable choice of ex Muslims have to do with their desire to stick with the familiar, given the common roots of Islam and Christianity? Is it the fear of departing from the mainstream, of the wrath of the Abrahamic god? Or is it because Eastern religions are viewed as superstition and idolatry, worse than Islam and therefore unthinkable?

What do you think ex Muslims think about when they choose a new faith?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: What do ex Muslims convert to and why? Reply with quote

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I've met many new Buddhists and atheists who are ex Christians.

I've met many new Christians who are ex Muslims.

I've met new Muslims (not many) who are ex Hindus.

But overwhelmingly, many ex Muslims seem to favor Christianity. They almost never become Hindu, Buddhist or atheist.

I've been wondering, does the predictable choice of ex Muslims have to do with their desire to stick with the familiar, given the common roots of Islam and Christianity? Is it the fear of departing from the mainstream, of the wrath of the Abrahamic god? Or is it because Eastern religions are viewed as superstition and idolatry, worse than Islam and therefore unthinkable?

What do you think ex Muslims think about when they choose a new faith?


I actually tend to think that the vast majority of ex-Muslims become Agnostic and Atheist.

It's very hard for the Abrahamic Faiths subscribers to convert to the Eastern Religions, may be apart from Christianity as it has more philosophical and spiritual aspects than Islam or Judaism.

I know at least 100 ex-Muslims and apart from two who became Christian and one to Judaism. The vast majority transit in Agnosticism for a while before making the final decision of being Atheist.

I was agnostic for 14 years and now 1 year being an Atheist.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm would this topic perhaps fit better in the "Apostate of religion"-subject?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmm would this topic perhaps fit better in the "Apostate of religion"-subject?
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Norwegian is a Buddhist, so this may be a little home for him/her.

The Apostates of religion is more designed at people who left the faith they were born to and joined another.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tvebak wrote:
Hmm would this topic perhaps fit better in the "Apostate of religion"-subject?
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Norwegian is a Buddhist, so this may be a little home for him/her.

The Apostates of religion is more designed at people who left the faith they were born to and joined another.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tvebak wrote:
Hmm would this topic perhaps fit better in the "Apostate of religion"-subject?
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Not really, because I meant to ask why Eastern religions aren't a common destination for Islamic or Christian apostates.

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I actually tend to think that the vast majority of ex-Muslims become Agnostic and Atheist.

It's very hard for the Abrahamic Faiths subscribers to convert to the Eastern Religions, may be apart from Christianity as it has more philosophical and spiritual aspects than Islam or Judaism.


Its easy enough to imagine why theists gravitate towards atheism. I reckon all people need is a bunch of broken promises, a string of no shows by a "loving" god and a healthy serving of hypocrisy to get it rolling. But how atheists become theists, now that's a puzzling one. Any ideas why that happens?

On Eastern religions being more philosophical, I think there's a more fundamental difference: Abrahamic religions believe man is saved by god, an external savior. Eastern ideologies or at least the ones I know believe only man can save himself. There is no external savior.

Obviously its more attractive to believe you have a get-out-of-jail-free card even if it requires you to believe in the tooth fairy. Furthermore it takes a shorter leap of faith for a theist to stay within the Abrahamic family if he is still yearning for a savior. Thats why I think ex Abrahamists tend to either switch horses within the same camp or jump out completely, refusing to have anything to do with spirituality thereafter.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

norwegian wrote:
Tvebak wrote:
Hmm would this topic perhaps fit better in the "Apostate of religion"-subject?
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Not really, because I meant to ask why Eastern religions aren't a common destination for Islamic or Christian apostates.


hmm does your name give a hint to where you live?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hmm does your name give a hint to where you live?


Yes and no. I'm a frequent traveller between Europe, Asia and the US for work, frequent enough to call Hong Kong and San Francisco my home sometimes  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tvebak wrote:
hmm does your name give a hint to where you live?


Yes and no. I'm a frequent traveller between Europe, Asia and the US for work, frequent enough to call Hong Kong and San Francisco my home sometimes  Smile


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Well I'll make it shorter then.

The world is market for different religions. I would say you are most likely to take a product that resembles (ie. monotheistic to monotheistic) or a product that is the "opposite" (believe to non-believe) when you looking for a new product. I would say that's the mainreason that most ex-muslims become either christians or agnostic/atheist.


I'll think of it from a western perspective:
Hinduism has very bad condition in the western market, it's practically just known as a polytheistic religion(not considered with high regards), with "red dots", caste-system, "reluctance towards having girls", "Ghandhi" and some more. It's really only England which have a higher number of hinduist, so it's not a religion we "see".

Buddhism is mainly considered as a 'religion' which have nurtured some good equipments for a stressfull day. But there's nobody screaming about the 'religion' (I consider this as a positive thing though). And you have to scream at the top of your lungs on the market of religions  Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Tvebak

I suppose there is some truth about religion following the rules of commodities. It's been dissected and taken seriously by none other than Miscrosoft Corp who I'm told has "Evangelist" as job titles. Watch out for software heaven and hell, LOL!

Far as I can tell, people are afraid of Eastern religions for three reasons. One, the thought that it is idolatry - a unpardonable sin that scares the living daylights out of even the most liberal Abrahamist. Two, they offer no such thing as a personal savior. Only you can save yourself. Three, that Eastern religion are polytheistic and everything you've been taught says there can only be one god. (The 1st and 3rd are often a result of mis- or dis-information).

So while one may think he has left his religion, these 3 sacred thou-shalt-nots often do not leave.

While I don't think these fears are rationally defendable, especially when they are reactions to simple disinformation, the strength in which they are burned in the mind, especially the Muslim mind, is phenomenal. Its one that keeps you want to run back to familiar grounds.

So Abrahamists will end up in an either-or situation. Either you jump to a similar religion that passes these criteria (or in the case of agnostics, keep an open mind on similar religions), or you get so disillusioned by it all that you disown spirituality completely and become a far-right atheist. There's seldom a middle path.

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Buddhism is mainly considered as a 'religion' which have nurtured some good equipments for a stressfull day. But there's nobody screaming about the 'religion' (I consider this as a positive thing though). And you have to scream at the top of your lungs on the market of religions


One thing I liked about Buddhism is that is truly personal. People are usually drawn to Buddhism and not the other way way round.

The other thing I liked about it is that its non judgemental. There is no divine authority in the sky that will sentence you to an eternity anywhere.
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