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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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But those dots won’t form without your specific authorisation, will they!?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tvebak, yeah, we might keep shooting over each other, but we'll enjoy it, just the same. Smile

This thread on Time begs the question of what constitutes Infinity.


Well, that wasn't my intention.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fine. I clarified.


ok but I still see it as problem in your argumentation.

Your argument as I understand it was about "the future" being "a creation of our mind" and therefore there's nothing to "predict". right?



No, the key distinction here is that I said that the concept of the future is not necessarily inaccurate at all, it just isn't real. It's always a mental construct, an prediction or an expectation. Remember, when the future comes to fruition, it is the present moment. so in that respect, the future can never exist except as a mental expectation, regardless of how accurate the expectation is or not.


Sure and then there's nothing to change since it always present.

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Yes it does. It attempts to answer the contradiction between omniscience and our ability to change our fate through free will. If we regulate the future do be no more tan a creation of our mind (an expectation), then God would not be required to know it. God could be said to predict it better than we can, but we would still be able to alter it.


But anyways "an omniscient god" should still know every dimensions and therefore also know the outcome of "free will".

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Every actual existing dimension, but the future doesn't exist. It's a mental construct. So we can say that God would be an unbelievably good predictor, but that doesn't mean that free will can't alter that prediction.


I still disagree. Even if we would go along your argument, as I won't, "god" would not be omniscient if there's something he does not know.

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