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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:45 am    Post subject: Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist?  Reply with quote

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The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.


No, God is not a racist.  He loves all people.  If God was a racist he would have created only one race.  Make sense?

You are correct, God chose the Jews; they didn't chose him.  He chose the Jews for a specific purpose and not one they earned.   The Covenant with Abraham was passed down through the line of Isaac.

I believe the promise and relationship passed on is not only passed on genetically, but by adoption.  A common belief if you will.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist? Reply with quote

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The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.


No, God is not a racist.  He loves all people.  If God was a racist he would have created only one race.  Make sense?

You are correct, God chose the Jews; they didn't chose him.  He chose the Jews for a specific purpose and not one they earned.   The Covenant with Abraham was passed down through the line of Isaac.


David, I'm pretty amazed at the way your two sentences contradict themselves.

David wrote:

I believe the promise and relationship passed on is not only passed on genetically, but by adoption.  A common belief if you will.


A common convenient one, if you will.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: God's chosen people. Is God racist? Reply with quote

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The fact still remains that God for some strange reason focused all his efforts and hundred of messengers in one spot in the wide world and with a certain race and its siblings.

The reality is God chose his people before they chose him, then the story, the promise and the relationship became a birth right that gets passed on genetically.


No, God is not a racist.  He loves all people.  If God was a racist he would have created only one race.  Make sense?

You are correct, God chose the Jews; they didn't chose him.  He chose the Jews for a specific purpose and not one they earned.   The Covenant with Abraham was passed down through the line of Isaac.


David, I'm pretty amazed at the way your two sentences contradict themselves.

David wrote:

I believe the promise and relationship passed on is not only passed on genetically, but by adoption.  A common belief if you will.


A common convenient one, if you will.


I see no contradiction in my statements.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?


It's not about racism.  It is about faith and salvation.  These Jews were no more "special" than any other race, but God chose them because he wanted his Messiah to come from them.  (He being God can do that, you know?  LOL)  This one Jew would bring all races and all peoples together and make them one family.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mutley wrote:
God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?


Good post, Mutley. God loves everybody and therefore has to love everyone. God knows no favouritism. Anyone who has full faith in God, would be loved by God and will find his/her salvation only from God.

People, through their misconceptions, have made God look like a racist. The Hebrews, under the Pharoahs' ruthless slavery for four centuries, suffered and their faith in God of Abraham never waivered. They remained fiercely monotheistic in their belief of the LORD Almighty and were chosen to be delivered.

Esau was also reportedly from the "Chosen" line. What went wrong? It was not his fault if he was hairy.   Shocked  Rolling Eyes  

Nobody has any monoply of or a patent on God.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
Mutley wrote:
God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?


Good post, Mutley. God loves everybody and therefore has to love everyone. God knows no favouritism. Anyone who has full faith in God, would be loved by God and will find his/her salvation only from God.

People, through their misconceptions, have made God look like a racist. The Hebrews, under the Pharoahs' ruthless slavery for four centuries, suffered and their faith in God of Abraham never waivered. They remained fiercely monotheistic in their belief of the LORD Almighty and were chosen to be delivered.

Esau was also reportedly from the "Chosen" line. What went wrong? It was not his fault if he was hairy.   Shocked  Rolling Eyes  

Nobody has any monoply of or a patent on God.

BMZ  


Mutley was quoting me.

God shows no favorites.  We all have the choice to have faith in and follow the Messiah.  All Gentiles and all Jews.  All people and all races.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's obvious that God was a little bit racist in the beginning. But I have no problems with that. There could be good reasons for that that I would never imagine. But, people were not being chosen based on their individual qualities, they were being chosen by group. So, in other words, in a non racist choice, God would have figured out a personal attribute that he was looking for, and selected individuals from all over to come together. But instead, he selected one contiguous mutually similar lump of people from one spot.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
Mutley wrote:
God loves everybody and isn't racist, but he chose one group of people and made them special above all others. Remember, we're not talking about individuals, we are talking about a lumped together group of people being raised above others, not individual people being raised above other individual people from all different groups of people based on their individual qualities and attributes. One is raised above others simply because they belong to that group, and not necessarily because of the individual's personal attributes themselves. So what else should we call this but racism?


Good post, Mutley. God loves everybody and therefore has to love everyone. God knows no favouritism.


Laughing   Laughing Funny you should use the word favoritism.  Recognize this??

“O Children of Israel (the Israelites), remember and mention the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you amongst all the worlds.” (Quran 2:47, 2:122)

“And indeed We gave the Children of Israel (the Israelites) the Scripture, and the understanding of the Scripture and its laws, and the Prophethood; and provided them with good things, and preferred them above all the worlds.” (Quran 45:16)

So who teaches you this watered down propaganda crap? They should be ashamed of themselves.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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God shows no favorites.  We all have the choice to have faith in and follow the Messiah.  All Gentiles and all Jews.  All people and all races.


That's now, but that wasn't always the case.


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