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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:22 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Curiosity is really a small misnomer. People want to know because they seek to understand their world. Why do they seek to understand their world? So that they can control it. It's extremely rare that someone wants to know merely for the sake of knowing. That's a little illusion that we lie to ourselves with.



Yes, if "control" is applied in a larger sense, also eliminating risks or securing hunting-grounds, like in the case of a cat [and not cats only], vital interests.

Looking and entering some dark place, just to find out "aaah, there's no  danger for me" - or - "aaah, there's food running around, for me".

Yes, maybe this "control" is the reason for curiosity!

But then...
I know Afghanistan quite well, in 2002 I went there again, ALONE, just me and my cameras - plenty of dangers lurking, but no "food running around" - wouldn't that qualify as "curiosity only" ?

Just an example....
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HomoErectus wrote:
Mutley wrote:


Curiosity is really a small misnomer. People want to know because they seek to understand their world. Why do they seek to understand their world? So that they can control it. It's extremely rare that someone wants to know merely for the sake of knowing. That's a little illusion that we lie to ourselves with.



Yes, if "control" is applied in a larger sense, also eliminating risks or securing hunting-grounds, like in the case of a cat [and not cats only], vital interests.

Looking and entering some dark place, just to find out "aaah, there's no  danger for me" - or - "aaah, there's food running around, for me".

Yes, maybe this "control" is the reason for curiosity!

But then...
I know Afghanistan quite well, in 2002 I went there again, ALONE, just me and my cameras - plenty of dangers lurking, but no "food running around" - wouldn't that qualify as "curiosity only" ?

Just an example....


Your cameras? Why did you bring cameras?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehehe.....
Guess you caught me on that one !
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Whats outside ? Reply with quote

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We all have accepted [more or less] the "big-bang-theory", of an expanding universe, sort of like a balloon being inflated, then sucking it all back in, or as in the case of the balloon, exhausting all the air inside, the shrinking process.

Following this logic, another good question would be - WHAT is outside of our "universe", and... are there maybe more "universes" around ?

Who could possibly say "we're the only universe" ?
We can't even say we're the "only ones" [life] in our "endless" universe.

What is the "material", the space outside our space is consisting of ?

"Nothingness" would be one label, but WHAT [on earth] is that ?

One day, I would like to sit in a space-ship, and head on down the wormhole-road, to the limits of this universe, poke a hole through the outer skin, and have a look at it all...


I've been thinking about that topic all my life.  Seems to me math tells you the answer to it.  M-version of string theory posits 11 dimensions, but I submit there are only five.  Put in laymen's terms, it might go like this:

1.  The universe you see is the real and only one, nothing really outside it.  However,
2.  There is a POTENTIALITY dimension which is an indissoluble part of this universe, wherein a given action UNTIL taken, has many outcomes which would ripple into this universe, if that action occurs, and depending on how and when it occurs.  So
3.  The other four dimensions which we all know, are in a constant dynamic flux.  What passes for expansion, contraction, even the big-bang itself (if that's how it started), would always be affected by the fifth 'potentiality' dimension.

The name of this potentiality dimension, is truth itself, which is a set of math-like formulas.  Truth is really a set of relationships between variables, if a then b, depending on c..x, or whatever the data set of variables are.  The variables themselves are of course affected by other variables outside the formula in question.  But taken as a whole, the entire SET of formulas would themselves be a structure of truth, and all existence 'cycles' through them.

These would be the 'strings', the formulas themselves.  They are open, pending enaction by variables in the real universe. Think of it as accessing data on a hard drive, which until the accession occurs, there is no 'formula' processing.  Once the accession occurs, the string closes, as it's now an ACTING formula, no longer merely a potential one.  Then other formulas are accessed, as they too are impacted now by the one acting.  And so it ripples out, and more open strings close.

All this is immaterial, of course, as formulas themselves have neither mass nor energy, but are rather laws, principles.

From there, you decipher whether these laws or principles actually have a Mind behind them.  I of course submit they do, as we ourselves are persons, for animacy cannot come from inanimacy, but animacy can create inanimacy.  But now I go outside the thread.

So either call the potential, fifth dimension "God" or a set of impersonal laws (good luck, if you do the latter).  But there would not need to be 11 dimensions.  Five would be enough.



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