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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Hello Shaq

Brainout has a point. I know deep in your heart you would like to prove Islam to be the right religion and God's true words, brainout feels the same way about Christianity and I am probably sympathetic toward Atheism and Agnosticism.

I know, as once upon a time I wanted to prove Islam right until I realised that I was lying to myself....I wanted to believe....I hated that fact that I could be wrong! I know better now.

I am free and way better person than I used to be.....

As I said before, take all the time in the world, but try to be as honest and as open-minded as you can.

I am sure you're honest with us...I want you though to be honest with yourself.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok brainout i am not sure how i was being dishonest. i said that i never heard of a hebrew scholar who has told me that it was common to repeat things. and i have not.

and i was not lying about my 2 ex really devout christian friends either. i have e-mails to both of them if you wish to speak with them and will be more then happy to get you in contact with them.

so where am i being dishonest?

perhaps i am repeating things over and over and i am sorry for that. i guess i just want more responses.

i really DO want to leave islam no lie at all. my brother is an ex muslim and i just could never see him in eternal hell it would hurt for me to see such.

it is like when someone looses their family many times they lose faith in god. i know a ex christian who lost her son when he was 16 and shortly after her husband. she lost her faith in god because she asked "why did this happen to me."

well, my question is "why would god send my brother to eternal hell. what did he do to hurt anyone?" and it makes me want to leave islam so bad because i dont want my brother going to hell for just leaving islam!

but there are things that keep me in islam and are as follows

1 many people converting to islam - dont know why but this makes me stay. i know 2 ex devout christians who are now muslim and i have heard of many people who take islamic studies or arabic at university and become muslim. it makes me wonder why.

2 numerical - the fact that days is repeated 30 times and month 12 just astonishes me. i have gotten some GOOD responses but when it comes down to it days is still repeated 30 times and month 12. yes yes it does sound silly and it probably is but i just find it amazing. i mean i just do not see how one could have inveneted such. it makes no sense how one could.

3 pharoahs body - when quran says that we will find pharoahs body as a reminder and we did find his body

4romans beat persians - just amazing how they really did


i guess that is really all i mean it IS really bad that islam denies evolution i for one am a strong evolution believer but then again creationism in quran could be metephorical as quran says that some things are allegrical.

so i just do not kno!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, let's try again. I'll leave the question of your brother and hell to the end, because the first four are easy to handle.

1. Many people converting to islam -- so what? Most people follow the devil, too. Does God mean so little to you, that what people do carries more weight? Seriously, you base your faith on how popular it is? What does the Koran warn you about that? Aren't you guilty as it says in the Cow Sura, of being among those who profess belief but have some other agenda? Be honest with yourself, as All Brains counseled. At the end of this reply, you'll see you have no reason to fear.

2. Again, you base your faith on a trinket, rather than on wanting to know God. If you looked at that worksheet link I gave you, you'll see how God orchestrates TIME ITSELF around the Jews. And if you go to any of the Bible Codes' websites, you'll see many more times the number of number miracles than the paltry repetition of month and days. Not amazing, what you call miracle, and certainly nothing compared to the miracle of constructing time so that every 490 years God does something for the Jews, JUST AS PROMISED in the Bible. Which is the bigger miracle, to make the same 490 years do what was promised, or to manipulate text so it shows month and day a certain number of times. I could do that easily. It's called "creative writing", and every poet can do it. Psalm 119 is an acrostic of every letter in the Hebrew alphabet, constructed that way on purpose.

3. Of course Pharaoh's body drowned in the Reed (later Red) Sea. Bible said that in Exodus when it happened.

4. Romans beat the persians, yeah. That's not Islam. That's Julian versus Chosroes (if memory serves, I'd have to look it up), 614-630 AD. Everyone and his brother knew Rome would win. But look at the TIMING: 490 years after the PIG TEMPLE atop the place where JEWISH 2nd Temple was, which pig temple was put 70 years after the 2nd temple was destroyed, which was 586 years after it was built, which 1st temple was destroyed in 586BC. Notice that? All that's keyed to the JEWS of the Bible, not to the Koran.

You want numbers miracle with REAL HISTORICAL TIME? 630-490=140AD, the year the pig temple was completed. 140-70=70AD, the year the 2nd Temple was destroyed (on 9th Ab, SAME DAY as the 1st Temple was destroyed 586 years prior).

Now, 70AD-586=516BC, when the 2nd Temple was completed, which was 70 years after having been destroyed in 586BC. Notice that recurrence of the same numbers? FAR BETTER than merely listing month 12 times in a book, wouldn't you say? You can check these dates in history. All of them, predicted by Bible or recorded in it.

Satan plays Temple games using the 490's also, and he uses Islam -- it's all in that spreadsheet link previously posted. Of course, the Hegira is 490 years after the Bar Kochba revolution began, how clever of Satan to time it that way. Not to mention, the Dome of the Rock commences its building in 685 AD, which is the REVERSE of 586BC -- or, 99+586, using the 99 as the age of Abraham when he was circumcised -- for ISAAC, not Ishmael. Done to MOCK Muslims, as are all Satan's uses of the 490s. God doesn't mock. Satan mocks.

These are rather more impressive, real historical events repeating based on 490 years as the Bible explains, than mere month occurring 12 times, eh what? Mind you, even this impressive proof SINCE ADAM of the God of the Bible orchestrating time, shouldn't be the reason why you believe in Him. Believe in Him because you want to know Him, live with Him. Not, because He knows how to add and subtract.

For look: when Rome finally beat Persia and lay exhausted, well now what can Satan do? He needs to make a Muhammed so he can keep attention on that Temple every 490 years. Because if he can't foment war between Jews and Arabs, then he can't kill all the sons of Abraham. Bringing us Christians in to kill also, as in the Crusades (which are also timed based on the 490s). Even Glubb Pasha, in his "Short History of the Arab Peoples" (a classic they give you to read if you're studying Arab/Islam history) noticed the odd timing of the rise of Muhammed, not knowing about the 490 because he didn't read Bible.

Are you impressed yet? A DEMON could easily time this by giving 'revelation' to Muhammed, and in fact at first Muhammed thought it was a demon. Yeah, it was. Demons know what's going on in Jerusalem, in fact they are in a hurry to get someone to take over, timing it to the 490, but it didn't work between Rome and Persia, both sides killed each other, basically. They ran out of the will to fight.

As for your brother: Allah does not get paid for sin in the Koran. That's unfair to Allah. The ONLY reason I don't believe in the Koran is that it treats God like a piece of dirt. Doesn't matter that God doesn't NEED to be paid, it's justice that HE be paid for sin. Doesn't matter if we get punished or rewarded, we are puny humans. But God gets left UNPAID for all his trouble? And He's alone, the only Infinite One? How fair is that? It's not a need question: it's a LOVE and JUSTICE Question.

Only Bible shows how God gets paid for sin. So God is not cheated. So hell is avoidable. And this God of the Bible is the same God who orchestrates time in 490 year increments, and Satan uses Islam against God trying to mimic the 490 years, so which God do you think is the real one?

You wanted a numbers miracle, now you have it. Read and proof the spreadsheet in my prior post to see all the timeline from Adam forward, how the 490 years started then and kept on playing. Then ask yourself if your brother wasn't the lucky one, to leave Islam. Ask yourself real carefully if "allah" isn't Satan, and in fact you and your brother and everyone you know, should believe once in Christ and thereby forever AVOID hell, John 3:16. For the One who spoke that verse is the same one who is the King of the Jews, and history itself shows you Time Itself is orchestrated in 490 year increments BASED ON the Jews. Not, on Islam (well, Satan tags time to Islam).

Enjoy mulling all that over! Proof the math and the Bible verses. http://www.geocities.com/brainout1/Mirroring.htm is an overview of the entire accounting of how God orchestrates time. You don't have to know Hebrew or Greek to proof it. The worksheet plots all the numbers for you. Have fun!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey i tried to look at the 490 numerical thing and it says broken link. i would really like to see it though!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what Islam does to people: http://www.peacefaq.com/apostacy.html
Does that sound like "God" to you?

Try again: http://www.geocities.com/brainout1/Mirroring.htm for the explanation. It will have links to the worksheet and the Word doc and the Default calendar God set up at Adam's fall in the first (white) section. I just now noticed that I typed it wrong in the last post. My bad, I apologize profusely! (I hate broken links, lol.)

Shaq, I've been very aggressive with you. That's not my style. So I can't go on being aggressive. Believe or don't, but I don't like talking as if I were trying to convert you. I'm more angry at how Islam dupes people than I am interested in making you convert. I don't want you to go to hell, but I'm afraid my 'commercial message' ends now. A salesman, I'm not. Enjoy!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ibnishaq wrote:
ok brainout i am not sure how i was being dishonest. i said that i never heard of a hebrew scholar who has told me that it was common to repeat things. and i have not.

and i was not lying about my 2 ex really devout christian friends either. i have e-mails to both of them if you wish to speak with them and will be more then happy to get you in contact with them.

so where am i being dishonest?

perhaps i am repeating things over and over and i am sorry for that. i guess i just want more responses.

i really DO want to leave islam no lie at all. my brother is an ex muslim and i just could never see him in eternal hell it would hurt for me to see such.

it is like when someone looses their family many times they lose faith in god. i know a ex christian who lost her son when he was 16 and shortly after her husband. she lost her faith in god because she asked "why did this happen to me."

well, my question is "why would god send my brother to eternal hell. what did he do to hurt anyone?" and it makes me want to leave islam so bad because i dont want my brother going to hell for just leaving islam!

but there are things that keep me in islam and are as follows

1 many people converting to islam - dont know why but this makes me stay. i know 2 ex devout christians who are now muslim and i have heard of many people who take islamic studies or arabic at university and become muslim. it makes me wonder why.

2 numerical - the fact that days is repeated 30 times and month 12 just astonishes me. i have gotten some GOOD responses but when it comes down to it days is still repeated 30 times and month 12. yes yes it does sound silly and it probably is but i just find it amazing. i mean i just do not see how one could have inveneted such. it makes no sense how one could.

3 pharoahs body - when quran says that we will find pharoahs body as a reminder and we did find his body

4romans beat persians - just amazing how they really did


i guess that is really all i mean it IS really bad that islam denies evolution i for one am a strong evolution believer but then again creationism in quran could be metephorical as quran says that some things are allegrical.

so i just do not kno!


Hello Shaq

I am actually very confident that your very honest with us!

Your story made me think. I have a lecture in 30 minutes and will be back to chat to you later about you and your brother.

Take care!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope All Brains is right. I love being wrong, here. Restores my faith in people Smile
Been burned by Muslims pretending interest only to argue, too many years, sorry.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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