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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
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9:29  is related to a very well known incident regarding the Kabba, the Kabba was a place for all to come to worship God and also to do business (trading), even the Kafiroon used to go there and do whatever they want, most of them used to go around the Kabba as a method of worshipping God, the Kafiroon also used to do a very indecent act, they used to do the Tawaf (going around the Kabba) naked, exactly like the filthy scenes we see in the Mardi Gras every year around the flawed world. When Mohammad reclaimed the Kabba, this filthy act by the kafiroon had to stop,


How did you know this cute little story?

hahahaha



it is not cute, it's filthy

I knew from the history records that is qualified by the Quran


next

You mean from the Hadith. Thank you.

next.


From the history reacords pal baal
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with what AhmedBahgat had to say regarding Surah Taubah. Many Non-Muslims enjoy taking this Surah completely out of context. I suspect that they learned about Islam from Craig Winn's Website.... Twisted Evil

Surah 9 itself is self-explanatory
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
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As for Najis meaning "Dirty Spiritually", it is okay, we all know what does najis means in islam. The same word is describing pigs. They must be dirty spiritually too.




Ignorant

The pigs were called "Rijjsun"

that is noot Nijjis mister confused


We both know that this is not true!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_Brains wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
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As for Najis meaning "Dirty Spiritually", it is okay, we all know what does najis means in islam. The same word is describing pigs. They must be dirty spiritually too.




Ignorant

The pigs were called "Rijjsun"

that is noot Nijjis mister confused


We both know that this is not true!



what is not true mate?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
As for Najis meaning "Dirty Spiritually", it is okay, we all know what does najis means in islam. The same word is describing pigs. They must be dirty spiritually too.




Ignorant

The pigs were called "Rijjsun"

that is noot Nijjis mister confused


We both know that this is not true!



what is not true mate?


That Rijjsun is not the physical filthiness, but the spiritual one!

Nijjis is the physical filthiness and the proof is in the Quran! I will give you one clue.

Look up the final abrogated verse re abolishing alcohol and gambling!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree with what AhmedBahgat had to say regarding Surah Taubah. Many Non-Muslims enjoy taking this Surah completely out of context. I suspect that they learned about Islam from Craig Winn's Website.... Twisted Evil

Surah 9 itself is self-explanatory


Greeetings & Welcome.

Just lost a reply prepared during clicking.  Sad Will try to do another, as good as I can.

Surah 9 is exploited and quoted out of context by the Islam-hating non-Muslim polemics. They know what all that means but choose to cherry-pick in order to make an invalid point. lol!

What these folks don't know is that Surah 9 Taubah should be read in conjuction with Surah 8 Anfaal. Surah 9 is a continuation of Surah 8.

Another important point, which the polemics fail to understand or prefer to ignore, is that the Meccans were already at war with the new Muslims and the infant Islam. It was not a peaceful time and the pagan brutal and ruthless Meccans, along with the other "Ahlul Kitaab", were continuously persecuting and hammering Muhammad and his followers.

Thus came the fair advance warning, giving the Meccans and their cahoots four months, the months in which even the pagans never fought and killed in their own culture. Those four months were scared in the pre-Islam culture.

Rules of engagement were laid out clearly. There had to be no more any turning of the cheek, which was not working anyway and God did not want a Jesus to be made out of Muhammad, otherwise Islam would have died in infancy.  Very Happy

No matter what twist, turn and spin the polemics put on Surah 9, the period of four months was enough and fair time for both sides to take note and the Muslims overcame the ruthless pagan pagan Meccans and their colleagues in arms.  Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Context indeed! Reply with quote

All this goes to show that Islam came grounded in a specific context, and we need to take it in that way — all of it. Every single aspect of it developed in response to specific situations. Only when people try to apply them as eternal universals do we run into problems.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
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9:29  is related to a very well known incident regarding the Kabba, the Kabba was a place for all to come to worship God and also to do business (trading), even the Kafiroon used to go there and do whatever they want, most of them used to go around the Kabba as a method of worshipping God, the Kafiroon also used to do a very indecent act, they used to do the Tawaf (going around the Kabba) naked, exactly like the filthy scenes we see in the Mardi Gras every year around the flawed world. When Mohammad reclaimed the Kabba, this filthy act by the kafiroon had to stop,


How did you know this cute little story?


LOL! Baal,

How come you did not know about this story?

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So if Muhammad couldn’t accept these other religions alongside his own why should we expect muslims today to accept other religions alongside their own?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
So if Muhammad couldn’t accept these other religions alongside his own why should we expect muslims today to accept other religions alongside their own?


Muhammad acknowledged that there were other religions like Judaism and Christainity and Musllims also acknowledge that Judaism and Christianity are religions. Even Qur'aan acknowledged that, Pazuzu.

How could Muhamamd accept them and how can we?

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