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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:12 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

And right now you have actually become too stupid to reply to...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And right now you have actually become too stupid to reply to...



if anyone is stupid, it has to be you prick, respect your role as a Mod and stop harassing other members

now piss off
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaah, all just a circus of vanity with you...

I don't write here as a "moderator" !

Even looking at you as a "moderator", I wouldn't "take action" against you at this point, you are an asset to this forum, you know...

You are better than any rant against islam !

Besides, one has to forgive you, you are just a brainwashed lil muslim !
Cursed by allah...

But, take this advice, don't always get so revved up, you might get yourself a heartattack...

Look what you said in this other thread...

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...at the end of the day i have to be myself and one of my aspects that i have to do that, to take the intense pressure on my emotions that i get smaked with evry fukin day in here


Stay healthy, don't always take yourself so seriously all the time, its not worth it !
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'scuse me, all ye others, I know its so useless and brainless to get into such a dialogue...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aaah, all just a circus of vanity with you...

I don't write here as a "moderator" !

Even looking at you as a "moderator", I wouldn't "take action" against you at this point, you are an asset to this forum, you know...

You are better than any rant against islam !

Besides, one has to forgive you, you are just a brainwashed lil muslim !
Cursed by allah...

But, take this advice, don't always get so revved up, you might get yourself a heartattack...

Look what you said in this other thread...

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...at the end of the day i have to be myself and one of my aspects that i have to do that, to take the intense pressure on my emotions that i get smaked with evry fukin day in here


Stay healthy, don't always take yourself so seriously all the time, its not worth it !



I told ya to piss off you filthy punk
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I told ya to piss off you filthy punk



Dear Ahmed

I hope that three days break in our lil "conversation" were enough for you recover from this "close to" heart attack...

and I hope you did not resort to beating up any womenfolk around you !

Since you are such a picky muslim, only picking up on texts as well as traditions that YOU have "authorized"...

I do have another question, but in this very moment I came to a more adequate question after what I said in my last sentence...

I mean, we all know that you reject hadith...

at least most hadiths, you are also picky in that, since accept some of the hadiths...

There is also nothing "islamic" in following the rituals that are being practiced, for instance when going on Hajj, like [if possible] kissing this black stone, or throwing stones at some pillar, as well as deliberatley slaying countless animals, for rather "nothing"... am I right ?  

you also said something like all other muslims, who believe in hadiths, are committing "shirk" !

In other words, since about 80% of all muslims do believe in hadiths, and traditions, you consider 80% of muslims to commit shirk, at the end of the day - not be "muslims" anymore, but pagans !

Let alone all the rest of the sects of islam, in distance to sunni and shia...

Guess what they would call you ?

Thats also why I repeatedly said - I think you are on the way to apostacy !

You are NOT a "regular muslim", thats for sure, your cherry-picking the right rules for your own personal needs is totally understandable for me - but what would your felllow mainstream muslims say to you... ?

and if you rightfully consider hadith as "hear-say" [I absolutely agree with you], why not consider the quran as hear-say too ?

you know that the lastest edition of the quran was compiled and finalized under uthman, but yet still other versions were being circulated, as these findings [syro-aramaeic reading of the quran - FFI thread] can confirm...

plus, all indicators of the quran being altered, edited and rewritten are plain visible !

And I guess, YOU have - meanwhile and by now - invented your own version of islam !
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:


I told ya to piss off you filthy punk



HomoErectus wrote:
Dear Ahmed


Hello

HomoErectus wrote:
I hope that three days break in our lil "conversation" were enough for you recover from this "close to" heart attack...


Stop delusing yourself pal

HomoErectus wrote:
and I hope you did not resort to beating up any womenfolk around you !


your humour sucks

HomoErectus wrote:
Since you are such a picky muslim, only picking up on texts as well as traditions that YOU have "authorized"...


Back to deluding yourself, well I authorize nothing, I only let the Qran words authorze itself

HomoErectus wrote:
I do have another question, but in this very moment I came to a more adequate question after what I said in my last sentence...


Let's see


HomoErectus wrote:
I mean, we all know that you reject hadith...


That's not a question, nor true

HomoErectus wrote:
at least most hadiths,


That is true, no question yet

HomoErectus wrote:
you are also picky in that, since accept some of the hadiths...


Yawn

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There is also nothing "islamic" in following the rituals that are being practiced, for instance when going on Hajj, like [if possible] kissing this black stone, or throwing stones at some pillar,



The above is not part of the Hajj as stated in the Quran.

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as well as deliberatley slaying countless animals, for rather "nothing"... am I right ?  


That is part of the Hajj as stated in the Quran and it is not for nothing, but for the poor to eat from it

I guess you have finished you question

you also said something like all other muslims, who believe in hadiths, are committing "shirk" !

HomoErectus wrote:
In other words, since about 80% of all muslims do believe in hadiths, and traditions, you consider 80% of muslims to commit shirk,


It depends in how they believe in the hadith

if they consider them holy then they shirked

if they consider them as they truely are, the words of men and nothing but a history record that may be wrong, then they don't shirk

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at the end of the day - not be "muslims" anymore, but pagans !


again, if they believe in the word of man as being holy and divine then they shirked

HomoErectus wrote:
Let alone all the rest of the sects of islam, in distance to sunni and shia...


sunni and shia are not the standrd of the religion for the others to follow them, the sunni and shia cult are as confused as any other cult in Islam, the moment a muslim speicifies a cult in Islam that he/she follows, is the same moment that you should recoginse his/her confusion because there is no cults in islam and all those islamic cult followers are promised with doom

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Guess what they would call you ?


That is your second question, well they may call me kafir, but I don't give a rat ass really

HomoErectus wrote:
Thats also why I repeatedly said - I think you are on the way to apostacy !


Keep deluding yourself as they are deluding themselves

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You are NOT a "regular muslim",



Wrong, in fact I'm the regular Muslim according to the Quran, they are the forgein Muslims and again according to the Quran and their hadith

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thats for sure, your cherry-picking the right rules for your own personal needs is totally understandable for me -


Ovbiously you understand nothing, what I pick and choose is not accoridng to my own personal needs rather according to what the Quran says

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but what would your felllow mainstream muslims say to you... ?


Hmmm, didn't you ask the same question before?

well the question above is flawed, this is because they are not my fellow Muslims, I;m not confused as they are

let me now answer your question again, they may say to me that I'm kafir, and I will reply to them that I don't give a rat ass of what they think about me

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and if you rightfully consider hadith as "hear-say" [I absolutely agree with you], why not consider the quran as hear-say too ?


Who told ya that I don't comsider the Quran hearsay (logically speaking)?

look pal, I always said that the Quran is also hearsay (logically speaking)

However I chose to believe in the hearsay Quran as many others chose to believe in any other hearsay, at least I'm believeing in the hearsay that the Quran (which is delivered by a prophet) told me about not the hearsay the people told me about, this should be a huge difference on the JD if Allah exists.

HomoErectus wrote:
you know that the lastest edition of the quran was compiled and finalized under uthman,


Yes I know, however what a kafir will never underdstand that Allah was in charge of collecting it as He stated in the Quran, that does not mean that Allah will come down to earth and collect for us RATHER cause other people to do it, and Uthman was the one Allah caused him to do it.

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but yet still other versions were being circulated, as these findings [syro-aramaeic reading of the quran - FFI thread] can confirm...


syro-aramaeic crap has nothing to do with the Quran, this is because the Quran  is in Arabic not in syro-aramaeic, stop deluding yourself pal

HomoErectus wrote:
plus, all indicators of the quran being altered, edited and rewritten are plain visible !


that is if you bring the original by Uthman (full copy) and we compare it with the current one, however what you will try to get is some crappy cyber images showing some chicken shit of Arabic writings,  and that will never be admissible in my books, sorry

you need to bring the full version of the first Quran, that Uthman was caused to collect in a single book, when you bring it, we may compare it with what we have and see if you are right

can you do that pal?

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And I guess, YOU have - meanwhile and by now - invented your own version of islam !


you may delude yourself and allege so, however I didn't invent anything nor I'm modernizing Islam neither that I'm a reformist,

what I'm doing is restore Islam to its unchanged base (the Quran), i.e. you can call me an Originalist

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, I truely forgot the question I was actually going for in the beginning, when I wrote my above post... and other questions popped up in between...

I will return to your above reply, no doubt, since you offer quite some... inconsistencies, but lemme get back onto these later... I appreciate your honesty though... you don't shy away from offering your soft-white underbelly either, my respect for that !

so, not to forget again...

What do you think of certain imperative "fatwas"... given out by authoritative persons and from positions, like al-azhar university, kairo... ?

are they ALL relevant, these fatwas... ?

Of course you can expect me to get a bit more specific, after your next reply, I will ask about specific fatwas... maybe...

is - f.i. - any death-fatwa binding ?

or would you rather also pick the authority/person/position issuing such a fatwa as being "ritghtful" and rightfully airing such an edict !?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sorry, I truely forgot the question I was actually going for in the beginning, when I wrote my above post... and other questions popped up in between...

I will return to your above reply, no doubt, since you offer quite some... inconsistencies, but lemme get back onto these later... I appreciate your honesty though... you don't shy away from offering your soft-white underbelly either, my respect for that !

so, not to forget again...

What do you think of certain imperative "fatwas"... given out by authoritative persons and from positions, like al-azhar university, kairo... ?

are they ALL relevant, these fatwas... ?

Of course you can expect me to get a bit more specific, after your next reply, I will ask about specific fatwas... maybe...

is - f.i. - any death-fatwa binding ?

or would you rather also pick the authority/person/position issuing such a fatwa as being "ritghtful" and rightfully airing such an edict !?


Hmmmm

I replied to this on FFI before, again, there is only one Mufti, who is Allah, let me prove it to you by copying my comment to this thread:

Hello All

On FFI web site there is an Arab pervert named ex-jinni, I normally don’t reply to threads by such  pervert, however I still skim through it though when I have a chance, now I could not pass on the following comment by a Muslim on one of that Arab pervert threads without replying, let’s have a look:

Firstly here is the comment by the Arab pervert ex-jinni:

ex-jinni wrote:
This is to lighten things up and for some other reasons .

The fatwa of Mufkhaza [rubbing the penis between the thighs] of children

Fatwa number [31409] dated 7/5/1421 Hijri

All praises be to Allah alone and prayers and peace be upon the one whom no prophet can come after him----

Moreover:

The Permanent Committee for Academic Research and Rendering Fatwas (religious edicts) has reviewed the religious opinion request sent to his beatitude, the General Mufti (Muslim scholar who interprets the shari’a), by the opinion seeker, Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shammeri. This was referred to the committee by the general trusteeship of the committee of senior clerics as number 1809 and dated 3/5/1421 Hijri. The text of the religious opinion seeker’s question:

“The practice of performing Mufkhaza on small boys has recently become widespread, and especially during wedding celebrations. What is the [religious] validity of that knowing that the messenger of Allah, may Allah salute and pray on him, had preformed Mufkhaza on our lady Ayesha, may she find favor with Allah.”

After study by the committee for rendering fataws, it answered with the following:

Resorting to these illegitimate practices, which came to our lands through pornographic films sent by the infidels and the enemies of Islam, is not consistent with centuries-long Islamic guidance. However, concerning the messenger of Allah, may Allah salute and pray on him, having had preformed Mufkhaza on his fiancée Ayesha: she was six-years-old and he could not have intercourse with her due to her young age therefore, he, may Allah salute and pray on him, would place his penis between her thighs and rub it gently. Also, the messenger of Allah possessed a penis unlike that of the believers.

Based on that, it is not permissible to carry on Mufkhaza during weddings, in homes, and in schools due to its excessive danger… May Allah curse the infidels who brought these practices to our lands.

The Permanent Committee for Academic Research and Rendering Fatwas,

Member: Bakr bin Abdu Allah Abu Zayed
Member: Salih bin Fawzan Al-Fawzan
Chairman: Abdul Aziz bin Abdu Allah bin Muhammad Al Al-Sheikh

looooooooooooooooool. so funny huh ?


Now, 7 pages later I read this comment by a Muslim named XXX:

Quote:
If it is a Fatwa giving a legal ruling, or making claims the Prophet PBUH, did something, then it MUST be supported by the Qu'ran or Hadith.


Well, the above statement is a self conviction of their SHIRK, see what it was said above: then it MUST be supported by the Qu'ran or Hadith

You will never find something in the Quran that supports the above obvious SHIRK, in fact the Quran clearly says that ANY FATWA MUST COME FROM ALLAH, i.e. any human IGTIHAD (Trying to find answers to religious questions) MUST BE SUPPORTED ONLY BY THE QURAN

THEIR MAN MADE HADITH HAS ABOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH A NY FATWA

Let me prove it to you:

In the following verse, the people during Mohammed time wanted some religious decisions from the prophet regarding some matters:

And they ask you for a decision about women. Say: Allah gives you a decision concerning them, and that which is recited to you in the Book concerning female orphans whom you do not give what is appointed for them while you desire to marry them, and concerning the weak among children, and that you should deal towards orphans with equity; and whatever good you do, Allah surely knows it.

[The Quran ; 4:127]

وَيَسْتَفْتُونَكَ فِي النِّسَاء قُلِ اللّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِيهِنَّ وَمَا يُتْلَى عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الْكِتَابِ فِي يَتَامَى النِّسَاء الَّلاتِي لاَ تُؤْتُونَهُنَّ مَا كُتِبَ لَهُنَّ وَتَرْغَبُونَ أَن تَنكِحُوهُنَّ وَالْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ مِنَ الْوِلْدَانِ وَأَن تَقُومُواْ لِلْيَتَامَى بِالْقِسْطِ وَمَا تَفْعَلُواْ مِنْ خَيْرٍ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ بِهِ عَلِيمًا (127)

-> SEE HOW CLEAR IT IS: وَيَسْتَفْتُونَكَ فِي النِّسَاء , Wa Yastaftunaka Fi Al Nisaa, i.e. And they ASK YOU FOR A DECISION about women, now here comes the answer from the ONLY MUFTI who is Allah, see what Allah says: قُلِ اللّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِيهِنَّ , Qul Allah YUFTIKUM Fihunna, i.e. Say: Allah gives you a decision concerning them , i.e. Allah is the ONLY Mufti according to His Quran not to the man made hearsay hadith as many Mushrikoon believe or I should say (MADE TO BELIEVE SO OVER THE YEARS), Allah never told Mohammed to make up a Fatwa for them, and even if it happened, Mohammed must have based it ONLY on what Allah told him many times  in the Quran (Qul….., Qul….., Qul….., Qul….., Qul….., Qul….., Qul….. hundreds of times), can you see how clear in here that the word Qul was also used before the Fatwa, I.e. the prophet was ordered to SAY the Fatwa, however in here an important piece of information was provided before the Fatwa itself and that piece of information was only an order to say it too along with the Fatwa, which is again:   قُلِ اللّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِيهِنَّ , Qul Allah YUFTIKUM Fihunna, i.e. Say: Allah gives you a decision concerning them , then comes the direct Fatwa from Allah : and that which is recited to you in the Book concerning female orphans whom you do not give what is appointed for them while you desire to marry them, and concerning the weak among children, and that you should deal towards orphans with equity

An identical example is the last verse in the same sura:

They ask you for a decision . Say: Allah gives you a decision concerning the person who has neither parents nor offspring; if a man dies (and) he has no son and he has a sister, she shall have half of what he leaves, and he shall be her heir she has no son; but if there be two (sisters), they shall have two-thirds of what he leaves; and if there are brethren, men and women, then the male shall have the like of the portion of two females; Allah makes clear to you, lest you err; and Allah knows all things.

[The Quran ; 4:176]

يَسْتَفْتُونَكَ قُلِ اللّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِي الْكَلاَلَةِ إِنِ امْرُؤٌ هَلَكَ لَيْسَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ وَلَهُ أُخْتٌ فَلَهَا نِصْفُ مَا تَرَكَ وَهُوَ يَرِثُهَآ إِن لَّمْ يَكُن لَّهَا وَلَدٌ فَإِن كَانَتَا اثْنَتَيْنِ فَلَهُمَا الثُّلُثَانِ مِمَّا تَرَكَ وَإِن كَانُواْ إِخْوَةً رِّجَالاً وَنِسَاء فَلِلذَّكَرِ مِثْلُ حَظِّ الأُنثَيَيْنِ يُبَيِّنُ اللّهُ لَكُمْ أَن تَضِلُّواْ وَاللّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ (176)

-> SEE HOW CLEAR IT IS AGAIN: يَسْتَفْتُونَكَ , Yastaftunaka, i.e. they ASK YOU FOR A DECISION , now here comes the answer from the ONLY MUFTI who is Allah, see what Allah says: قُلِ اللّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِي الْكَلاَلَةِ , Qul Allah YUFTIKUM Fi Al Kalalah, i.e. Say: Allah gives you a decision concerning the kalalah , i.e. Allah is the ONLY Mufti according to His Quran not to the man made hearsay hadith as many Mushrikoon believe and again I have to keep repeating it : (MADE TO BELIEVE SO OVER THE YEARS)
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Now, I really don't believe that a human Mufti should exist, however a knowledgable man to elaborate on what Allah said is what I always consider to be the case

humans just can't make religious laws on the behalf of Allah, it makes no sense

let me also clear one issue, knowing how to pray is not a religious law, the law is TO PRAY, knowing how to do it is nothing but teachings that I can take from other humans who elaborated on what Allah ordered (TO PRAY)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now, I really don't believe that a human Mufti should exist, however a knowledgable man to elaborate on what Allah said is what I always consider to be the case

humans just can't make religious laws on the behalf of Allah, it makes no sense

let me also clear one issue, knowing how to pray is not a religious law, the law is TO PRAY, knowing how to do it is nothing but teachings that I can take from other humans who elaborated on what Allah ordered (TO PRAY)

see


Very good point, bro. Don't care about FFI goons.

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