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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject: Naughty hadiths  Reply with quote

Would al rahim prescribe this?

Book 38, Number 4390:

   Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:

   I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

What is up with this?

This is just one of many many examples. Perhaps you guys could pitch in. I would also like to see responses from muslims on these traditions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Naughty hadiths Reply with quote

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Would al rahim prescribe this?


This is a very good question, ibnishaq and the answer is a firm No.

This is just one of many examples of crap ahadith in various collections. The Arabs of the time knew that boys started to grow hair not only on the genitals but all over their body and the face.

There was no need to look at the boys' dicks. They could have just looked at their face and the moustasche .  Wink

How are you doing? Are you still in or have exited Islam? lol.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Naughty hadiths Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
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Would al rahim prescribe this?


This is a very good question, ibnishaq and the answer is a firm No.

This is just one of many examples of crap ahadith in various collections. The Arabs of the time knew that boys started to grow hair not only on the genitals but all over their body and the face.

There was no need to look at the boys' dicks. They could have just looked at their face and the moustasche .  Wink

How are you doing? Are you still in or have exited Islam? lol.

BMZ


Funny that the same story has been recorded by Mohammad's most prominent biographers, Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hesham!

So, are you now rejecter of Hadith, Sunnah and Sirah?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Naughty hadiths Reply with quote

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ibnishaq wrote:
Would al rahim prescribe this?


This is a very good question, ibnishaq and the answer is a firm No.

This is just one of many examples of crap ahadith in various collections. The Arabs of the time knew that boys started to grow hair not only on the genitals but all over their body and the face.

There was no need to look at the boys' dicks. They could have just looked at their face and the moustasche .  Wink

How are you doing? Are you still in or have exited Islam? lol.

BMZ

Hey, thanks for the response! I am still in Islam, but am also still in the limbo stage where idk! Islam's stance on homosexuality is just too much for me to comprehend, and Islam's cursing of dogs and man/woman interaction have just made my heart sink. Some interpret things a bit differently but the vast majority of scholars disagree with them. The vast majority still hold the conservative, traditional beliefs and it will likely stay that way for a while. I suppose they hold these views though because it is what Qu'ran/Sunnah teaches.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear ibnishaq

It looks as if you were holding on to the notorious "last straw"....

WHY get so nervous ?

Are you drowning, falling, suffocating ?

The sun is coming up, tomorrow, just like it did yesterday !

Why be so desperate ?

We will have to get up today, as we did yesterday, and will do the same tomorrow, to go to our jobs, trying to make a living, the issue is survival in the modern world !

No "jinns" involved, only the real world !

You are reading and realizing the multiple absurdities of "Islam", as well as the same sort of absurdities of other "faiths"...

Why believe in fairy-tales, to take them for REAL in our world... ?
isn't that absurd ?

Why rely on hear-say, instead of your very personal and relevant experiences ?

By what logic are you supposed to follow a "law" and fables from 1400 years ago ?

There ain't no "god" in this nonsense we call "religions" !
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear brother Ibnishaq,


Its a Good sign that still you are in Islam though it is in its minuest form. Allah says that those who would have the tiniest form of Imaan (believe in Allah and Rasool), have got a chance in hereafter..


Learning Islam from a proper Islamic source is very important in order to have a clear view of Islam. All the other world religions fall terribly in facing Islam...

Therefore, if you come to logical sense then there is no other religion other than Islam that has strong basis and foundation.



Think about dark matters, can you see them , no. But the universe is full of dark matters and dark matters supercede  the visible matters. Dark matters have got long long life than that of visible matters..

Now, think about jinns...Science has its limitations. But Islam is the religions that advocates educatin and science. Read Islamic History.


Think about this universe. What all the prominent scientists believe ?..that there must have been a super intelligenty entity who desinged or who is behind this huge universe. There is a God. But none can define his shape and size. He is one only. He has no father . no mother.

He is super all powerful, HE is Exalted and HE is Almighty Allah...



Learn Islam cuz envrionment does make people go away from true Islam....



Islam is the only truth...




With duas,,,,



KIndest regards..
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intellectual fighter thanks for the response. Please visit my "quran and homosexuality" thread i think in the qu'ran section and give me your thoughts on that! one of my biggest problems with islam is because of my sexuality
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Intellectual fighter thanks for the response. Please visit my "quran and homosexuality" thread i think in the qu'ran section and give me your thoughts on that! one of my biggest problems with islam is because of my sexuality



Dear Ishaq

The rules are clear, you have no life in Islam, when you are gay !
Period !

Unless you repent, and from then on refrain from being gay, but act "hetero" !

Although... they might kill you before you get to "repenting"....

Why would you want to "follow" the rules of a "God" who is trying to kill you in your earthly life, and torture you endlessly in the hereafter... ?

This is ABSURD, kinda...
And it is a bit... "obsessive" too, like a demon sitting on your shoulder !
And you are unable to shake this demon off !

You know, there's an easy "recipe" to get rid of this "demon"...

Just tell him to go away !
Tell him you don't believe in him anymore, he is not there, he is just a nightmarish illusion, a chimera, a brain-game...

You will see, soon, there is no more "demon", nothing to be afraid of, in real life without belief in fairy tales, and ancient fables, muhadith-business !

Of course you have to convince yourself first...

But how can you be not convinced - this alleged "god" is after your life, here and there !

Tell him to go away, you don't believe in him anymore !

There is absolutely NO PROOF around, no matter HOW hard the preachers of religions are trying to convince you, that there is such a thing called "god" around, above, or whatever...

We might as well say - there is no god !

Sure, I can't prove that either !

But my claim is as valid as theirs !

Simple as that !
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intellectual_fighter wrote:
Dear brother Ibnishaq,


Its a Good sign that still you are in Islam though it is in its minuest form. Allah says that those who would have the tiniest form of Imaan (believe in Allah and Rasool), have got a chance in hereafter..

Not True in the minuest bit.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Learning Islam from a proper Islamic source is very important in order to have a clear view of Islam. All the other world religions fall terribly in facing Islam...

Was he quoting the BBC or CNN? He was quoting ibn hesham, how much closer to the islamic source do you want him to get? Any closer to the islamic source and he will have to dig muhammad's corpse out and hump it.
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Therefore, if you come to logical sense then there is no other religion other than Islam that has strong basis and foundation.

It is his logical sense that is causing him his problems IF.
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Think about dark matters, can you see them , no. But the universe is full of dark matters and dark matters supercede  the visible matters. Dark matters have got long long life than that of visible matters..

Subhanalla?

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Now, think about jinns...Science has its limitations. But Islam is the religions that advocates educatin and science. Read Islamic History.

Hahahahaha
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Think about this universe. What all the prominent scientists believe ?..that there must have been a super intelligenty entity who desinged or who is behind this huge universe. There is a God. But none can define his shape and size. He is one only. He has no father . no mother.

And who designed him? Is he such a simple little Amoeba that he was created out of nothing? Yet we the humans HAD to have been created by someone?

If god can exist from nothing, then so can humans. Find a better argument to present your god.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:
He is super all powerful, HE is Exalted and HE is Almighty Allah...

Superman! or was it Batman? Maybe Spiderman. Nah, Allah is probably the Joker.
Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Learn Islam cuz envrionment does make people go away from true Islam....

Again, true islam *is* the problem. Reality, philosophy, logic, atrocities, murder, hate and fear, all make me turn away from true islam.

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Islam is the only truth...

or else..



With duas,,,,



KIndest regards..[/quote]
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: This! Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
And who designed him? Is he such a simple little Amoeba that he was created out of nothing? Yet we the humans HAD to have been created by someone?

If god can exist from nothing, then so can humans. Find a better argument to present your god.


Q4T (Quoted for Truth). It interests me how people can claim that everything had an origin, and take this as far back as the universe itself (saying therefore God must have created the universe), yet when asked “Who created God?” their logic stops there! Why not go with Occam’s Razor, and accept the simplest logical conclusion, that of the Universe itself, without going into infinite regression (who created God? Who created that creator of God, etc)?


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