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Baal
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

Intellectual_fighter wrote:

Salam OJ Smoke,

Whats your faith

You have been in the forum of answering-faithfreedom.org ?..I have heard of that too. And so far as I know that there have some excellent persons and one of them defeated Ali Sina in a debate.

Islam is the only truth forever.

May Allah bless all.

peace

Just because Zuher claims he beat Ali Sina, it does not make it so.

Plz show me which part of the debate did Zuher win anything. He was going on using emotionalism and making claims about things he hoped were in islam.

A lot of muslims actually think/hope that their religion contains certain value and are often shocked/dismayed when they discover islam often supports the exact opposite of the values they held dear.

For example, in the debate in question, Zuher made a claim that islam is a spiritual religion. And as such, islam abolished earthly things like sacrifice. That was extremely funny considering the islamic biggest festival is called "Al-Adha" which translates to "The Sacrifice".

But anyways, plz bring forward the debate in question. If you can understand anything from Zuher, then it should be no problem for you to highlight or resume to us his points. Maybe you will have a different view then the one I had.

Else, I would not take his claims about 'defeating' ali sina seriously.

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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:

Isn't this "winning" a typical thing, for muslims especially... ? They so often claim "victory", when the first round is barely over... Remember "Hezbollah" and the last Israeli "war" - all the islamic world claimed "victory" ! So, lets see... WHAT did Hezbollah win ? Having to move out of southern Lebanon, and the UN moving in, is that a "victory" ? Firing rockets at Israel, cowardly hiding behind civillians, deliberately causing "collateral damage", fake pictures in the press, unveiled as tool of Iran and Syria, running from the Israeli army, Hezbollah had to go hiding, and thats what they still do - where is the claimed "victory" ? As for the claim in the above posting - "...defeated Ali Sina in a debate." - it sure takes more than just a claim ! Can we please have a look at the proof of this "defeat" ? _________________ Upright is better than bent-over !

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