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Does God exist?
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No
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

The silence of God.

We all talk to ourselves constantly. It's called the internal dialogue. We all say words to ourself in our own voice and native language. It's almost unavoidable. So maybe God doesn't talk to us because he can't get a word in edgewise.
Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible that God used to exist, but not any more?

Or he could be having a long sleep?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

humandecency wrote:
Is it possible that God used to exist, but not any more?

Or he could be having a long sleep?


If God doesn't exist anymore, then the conclusion is that God was a created entity. So if that's the case, then who or what created God? And shouldn't THAT be considered God? The answer would be yes, if we hold to the idea that God created all things. So then what created THAT God, or God of God? Can you see how the backwards chain of cause would go on for infinity? That's called infinite regression. So we have a choice.

1) We could claim God as a metaphysical entity rather than physical, then we can circumvent the problem of God having no cause, because physical entities or energies or whatever, must have a cause. Otherwise, the magician really did make a rabbit appear out of thin air. Therefore, claiming God as metaphysical allows us to claim God as uncaused, which is a necessity. Otherwise, we are left with number 2

2) God is a highly superior physical entity and we have infinite regression which means that God cannot exist, or at least cannot exist as the creator of all things, because in infinite regression, all gods have a cause, and therefore you have an infinite chain of God of God of God.....none of which can actually be called God because none of them could be called the creator of all things.

So essentially, God cannot be a created entity AND also be the creator of all things, and there cannot be a God in the scenario of infinite regression. So we have a choice between two absurdities. A non created creator or infinite regression. Take your pick as they are both absurd. I think a non created, metaphysical creator is less absurd then an infinite chain of Gods where none of them can actually be God. But both of them are really beyond the conceptualizing mind, as is life itself.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The silence of God makes three pages of noise here at FREE FAITH, EXPRESSION AND THOUGHT.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IoshkaFutz wrote:
The silence of God makes three pages of noise here at FREE FAITH, EXPRESSION AND THOUGHT.

La donna mobile, e la vita rumorosa


Yeah...great.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ameen wrote:
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Or a simple c) God is silent, because he does not exist!


I disaagree and view this, a bit simplistic.

Silence is not a condition of non existence, and neither is evil.

I haven;t heard the guy who buily my computer speak, but he definitely does exist!

Stalin was evil, but he definitely did exist!

I hope you fathom the point.

Ameen:)


How are these two comparable Ameen? The computer guy and Stalin never claimed to be onmiscient or a savior watching over your every move. For someone who claims to have created man in his image, god is quite unlike man. He doesn't show up to help when he's needed and he's proven to be capable of immense unprovoked cruelty, unlike any man I've ever read. He's more like the UFO story that refuses to go away and has a shyness factor that'll put little green men to shame.

God as an energy? Everything can be broken down into energy. We're all part of a vast energy ecosystem. We consume and produce it. Does it mean we are in part god?

On why god is silent, I think its because he has left the building, having lost interest in this little experiment.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

norwegian wrote:
Ameen wrote:
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Or a simple c) God is silent, because he does not exist!


I disaagree and view this, a bit simplistic.

Silence is not a condition of non existence, and neither is evil.

I haven;t heard the guy who buily my computer speak, but he definitely does exist!

Stalin was evil, but he definitely did exist!

I hope you fathom the point.

Ameen:)


How are these two comparable Ameen? The computer guy and Stalin never claimed to be onmiscient or a savior watching over your every move. For someone who claims to have created man in his image, god is quite unlike man. He doesn't show up to help when he's needed and he's proven to be capable of immense unprovoked cruelty, unlike any man I've ever read. He's more like the UFO story that refuses to go away and has a shyness factor that'll put little green men to shame.

God as an energy? Everything can be broken down into energy. We're all part of a vast energy ecosystem. We consume and produce it. Does it mean we are in part god?

On why god is silent, I think its because he has left the building, having lost interest in this little experiment.


Hi Norwegian

Hmm you have a good argument there Very Happy

Personally I have a "theory" that 'god' is a brat that soon will climb to 4 degree 'godling'-level and he is about 12 of what we would call years. And the world we are living in is his school-project from the 2 degree 'godling'-level, which the pupils are to make alterations throughout the whole schooltime, but it's not a project they are to work at all the time. There's other homework, specialtime with familiy and such which is of importance. But every now and then they get an urge to fiddle with their personal 'world' or they get some a assignment in school regarding their 'world'. And we are therefore the mere project of a brat who gets teased by the elder 'godlings' because he's a litlle tubby or something. The imagination is without limit Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tvebak wrote:
Personally I have a "theory" that 'god' is a brat that soon will climb to 4 degree 'godling'-level and he is about 12 of what we would call years. And the world we are living in is his school-project from the 2 degree 'godling'-level, which the pupils are to make alterations throughout the whole schooltime, but it's not a project they are to work at all the time. There's other homework, specialtime with familiy and such which is of importance. But every now and then they get an urge to fiddle with their personal 'world' or they get some a assignment in school regarding their 'world'. And we are therefore the mere project of a brat who gets teased by the elder 'godlings' because he's a litlle tubby or something. The imagination is without limit Smile


Haha, yeah I guess show and tell is over now Smile. I think many of these complications would go away on a simple assertion: he does not exist.

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