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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:33 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Dear Ahmed (or BMZ) could you gives us your views on the matter. Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?

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Just saw your post . By the way, I am not Ahmed.  Smile

Now to your question."Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?"

Because Qur'aan, in the opening verse, after the opening words Alif, Laam, Meem, makes a very powerful declaration, which is: "ZAALIK-AL-KITAAB  and it means "This IS the Book".

Once it has been declared that Qur'aan IS the Book, the question of another book or other books coming after does not arise.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
Tvebak wrote:
Dear Ahmed (or BMZ) could you gives us your views on the matter. Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?

Cheers


Just saw your post . By the way, I am not Ahmed.  Smile

Now to your question."Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?"

Because Qur'aan, in the opening verse, after the opening words Alif, Laam, Meem, makes a very powerful declaration, which is: "ZAALIK-AL-KITAAB  and it means "This IS the Book".

Once it has been declared that Qur'aan IS the Book, the question of another book or other books coming after does not arise.

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WHO "declares" ?

And who believes any "declaration" ?

Declare what you want... all day long, and all of the night !
Fine with the rest ot the world...
Who cares ?

Understand what I'm tryin' to say ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tvebak wrote:
Dear Ahmed (or BMZ) could you gives us your views on the matter. Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?

Cheers


Just saw your post . By the way, I am not Ahmed.  Smile

Now to your question."Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?"

Because Qur'aan, in the opening verse, after the opening words Alif, Laam, Meem, makes a very powerful declaration, which is: "ZAALIK-AL-KITAAB  and it means "This IS the Book".

Once it has been declared that Qur'aan IS the Book, the question of another book or other books coming after does not arise.

BMZ


Hi BMZ

Thanks for the answer.

And no I did not think you are Ahmed  Wink

Well I don't consider this as a "powerful declaration", it just says "this is the book", or as Shakir renders it "this book". Anyways you have to take what follows in consideration; "there's no doubt therein" or the like. It proclaims that it's a "good", or a special, book, but it does not proclaim that it will be the last book send down, at least not in that verse.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The term "Last Messenger" is not accurate. If muhammad called himself the last messenger it would have implied the last messenger sent to you, as in, the latest one.

But he called himself "Khatim Al Mursaleen", the "Seal of those Sent", implying he is the "Final Prophet".


Hi Baal

This is a part of the subject, but I was not refering the muhammad as "last messenger", I was refering to the quran as the last message, argued only from the quran.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello all

The Quran is the last message from the one and only God, the one who also sent the Zaboor, Torah and Injil

show us other books that the same god sent after the Quran and when you do you will prove your case, until then the Quran will stay the last message from the one and only God

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
The term "Last Messenger" is not accurate. If muhammad called himself the last messenger it would have implied the last messenger sent to you, as in, the latest one.

But he called himself "Khatim Al Mursaleen", the "Seal of those Sent", implying he is the "Final Prophet".


LOL

was MOhammed ordered in the Quran to say that he was Khatim Al Mursaleen or Khatim Al Anbiaa?

please check what you said before you come back with another confused answer

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody ‘ordered’ Muhammad to say anything. Now, unlike a lot of people who acted militantly hostile towards Islam, I can accept the possibility that some of the times — especially early on in his career as a ‘prophet’ — he honestly did believe he received revelations from his god, but nobody ordered him to say anything. He did it himself.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Nobody ‘ordered’ Muhammad to say anything. Now, unlike a lot of people who acted militantly hostile towards Islam, I can accept the possibility that some of the times — especially early on in his career as a ‘prophet’ — he honestly did believe he received revelations from his god, but nobody ordered him to say anything. He did it himself.



hmmm

so the hundreds of times we read the word Qul.... (Say.....), is not an order to say hundreds of things?

oh well, donlt worry about answering my question, this is because I have dismissed ya
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tvebak wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Tvebak wrote:
Dear Ahmed (or BMZ) could you gives us your views on the matter. Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?

Cheers


Just saw your post . By the way, I am not Ahmed.  Smile

Now to your question."Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?"

Because Qur'aan, in the opening verse, after the opening words Alif, Laam, Meem, makes a very powerful declaration, which is: "ZAALIK-AL-KITAAB  and it means "This IS the Book".

Once it has been declared that Qur'aan IS the Book, the question of another book or other books coming after does not arise.

BMZ


Hi BMZ

Thanks for the answer.

And no I did not think you are Ahmed  Wink

Well I don't consider this as a "powerful declaration", it just says "this is the book", or as Shakir renders it "this book". Anyways you have to take what follows in consideration; "there's no doubt therein" or the like. It proclaims that it's a "good", or a special, book, but it does not proclaim that it will be the last book send down, at least not in that verse.

Cheers.


Hi Tvebak,

Shakir's translation is just a very ordinary translation. Shakir and Hilali & Mohsin Khan, followed that translation using the first translation in English by Maulana Muhammad Ali of India. It is not a scholarly translation.

The verse is "Zaalik-al-kitabo laa raib". Translated word by word, it would mean "This is the book no doubt." Al-kitaab means The Book.

In proper English, it would mean,"Without any doubt, this is the Book.

The verse does not mean, "This is the Book. There is no doubt in it."

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BMZ wrote:
Tvebak wrote:
Dear Ahmed (or BMZ) could you gives us your views on the matter. Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?

Cheers


Just saw your post . By the way, I am not Ahmed.  Smile

Now to your question."Why do you consider the Quran to be the last message?"

Because Qur'aan, in the opening verse, after the opening words Alif, Laam, Meem, makes a very powerful declaration, which is: "ZAALIK-AL-KITAAB  and it means "This IS the Book".

Once it has been declared that Qur'aan IS the Book, the question of another book or other books coming after does not arise.

BMZ


WHO "declares" ?

And who believes any "declaration" ?

Declare what you want... all day long, and all of the night !
Fine with the rest ot the world...
Who cares ?

Understand what I'm tryin' to say ?


Yes, I understand and I don't care either, if others don't care.

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