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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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I have also read, but will have to look into that further, that the word commonly translated as ‘unlettered’ in the Qur’an (in reference to Muhammad) can also mean a Gentile…


Don'y believe such ignorant christian, the word Ummi does not mean those ho received no scripture, this is because the jews were described as ummmayoon as well in the Quran, hahahahaha

he is too confused christian to be considered

Ummi means someone from the Umma. Plain and simple. Now you want to imply that an Ummi means illiterate like it is common to claim in the islamic world, then you imply that the Umma is made of illiterates (Ummis).


The Heads (Mala-a) of Mecca were all called Ummis. That does not mean they were all illiterate. Calling Muhammad Ummi did not mean he is an illiterate. So please try something else Ahmed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my dictionary, the al–ommiyaa referenced above can mean a variety of things: “My mother; Belonging to mother; Unlettered; Arab; Who have no revealed Scripture of his own.”
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
I have also read, but will have to look into that further, that the word commonly translated as ‘unlettered’ in the Qur’an (in reference to Muhammad) can also mean a Gentile…


Don'y believe such ignorant christian, the word Ummi does not mean those ho received no scripture, this is because the jews were described as ummmayoon as well in the Quran, hahahahaha

he is too confused christian to be considered

Ummi means someone from the Umma. Plain and simple. Now you want to imply that an Ummi means illiterate like it is common to claim in the islamic world, then you imply that the Umma is made of illiterates (Ummis).


The Heads (Mala-a) of Mecca were all called Ummis. That does not mean they were all illiterate. Calling Muhammad Ummi did not mean he is an illiterate. So please try something else Ahmed.



Mister baal

can you please stopr promoting your ignorance, it does no good to you

based on your crap above, then the word Umm, (mother) means someone from the Ummah, hahahahahahah
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ummi means someone from the Umma. Plain and simple. Now you want to imply that an Ummi means illiterate like it is common to claim in the islamic world, then you imply that the Umma is made of illiterates (Ummis).


The Heads (Mala-a) of Mecca were all called Ummis. That does not mean they were all illiterate. Calling Muhammad Ummi did not mean he is an illiterate. So please try something else Ahmed.


That was a piece of utter balderdash, Baal. laughable, I must say. You were just being absurd.
Show and prove that the Heads of Mecca, Malaa  were called Ummis?  Laughing

There is a difference between the word Ummi and Jahil and also in their application in a particular verse. "Yaahsabohumul jaahilo aghniaa-a minat-ta'af-fufay". Would you like to explain the difference?

Ummi just does not mean only illiterate or uneducated. Ummi and ummiyoon, in those particular verses, also mean one or those who had not received any Scriptures (Kitaab) from God before.

And what would you make of this: "Min-hum ummiyoona, laa ya'alamoonal kitaaba"? In what sense is ummi used here?

Please explain!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
I have also read, but will have to look into that further, that the word commonly translated as ‘unlettered’ in the Qur’an (in reference to Muhammad) can also mean a Gentile…


Don'y believe such ignorant christian, the word Ummi does not mean those ho received no scripture, this is because the jews were described as ummmayoon as well in the Quran, hahahahaha

he is too confused christian to be considered

Ummi means someone from the Umma. Plain and simple. Now you want to imply that an Ummi means illiterate like it is common to claim in the islamic world, then you imply that the Umma is made of illiterates (Ummis).


The Heads (Mala-a) of Mecca were all called Ummis. That does not mean they were all illiterate. Calling Muhammad Ummi did not mean he is an illiterate. So please try something else Ahmed.



Mister baal

can you please stop promoting your ignorance, it does no good to you

based on your crap above, then the word Umm, (mother) means someone from the Ummah, hahahahahahah


You said it well, bro. Mr. Baal is indeed very funny. Does he really know Arabic or is he merely an Egyptian Apple_Pie? Does he do this to humour others and us? lol!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
According to my dictionary, the al–ommiyaa referenced above can mean a variety of things: “My mother; Belonging to mother; Unlettered; Arab; Who have no revealed Scripture of his own.”


You have got it right and the second part of your quote is correct, Pazuzu.

For a person his mother Umm becomes Ummi for that person. Likewise Ain is eye and my daughter becomes Aini for me.

The Arabs had never received any Scripture from God before. Thus they were the Ummis, while Jews were not Ummis, since they had the Scriptures for a thousand over years. This Ummi has nothing to do with my mother, Ummi!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Ummi means someone from the Umma. Plain and simple. Now you want to imply that an Ummi means illiterate like it is common to claim in the islamic world, then you imply that the Umma is made of illiterates (Ummis).


The Heads (Mala-a) of Mecca were all called Ummis. That does not mean they were all illiterate. Calling Muhammad Ummi did not mean he is an illiterate. So please try something else Ahmed.


That was a piece of utter balderdash, Baal. laughable, I must say. You were just being absurd.
Show and prove that the Heads of Mecca, Malaa  were called Ummis?  Laughing

There is a difference between the word Ummi and Jahil and also in their application in a particular verse. "Yaahsabohumul jaahilo aghniaa-a minat-ta'af-fufay". Would you like to explain the difference?

Ummi just does not mean only illiterate or uneducated. Ummi and ummiyoon, in those particular verses, also mean one or those who had not received any Scriptures (Kitaab) from God before.

And what would you make of this: "Min-hum ummiyoona, laa ya'alamoonal kitaaba"? In what sense is ummi used here?

Please explain!

BMZ

What does your introduction of the word Jahil and the "Yaahsabohumul jaahilo ... " has anything to do with the word Ummi?

And "Min-hum ummiyoona, laa ya'alamoonal kitaaba"?, means that some of the heads and the elite of the "Mala-a" of Mecca do not know a book. It does not mean they are illiterate.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You said it well, bro. Mr. Baal is indeed very funny. Does he really know Arabic or is he merely an Egyptian Apple_Pie? Does he do this to humour others and us? lol!

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Easy on the cheerleading. Your skirt is lifting too high when you jump. Just because Ahmed made a point, it does not mean he is correct, so at least wait before the conversation is over before you start shaking some guys cocks.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
According to my dictionary, the al–ommiyaa referenced above can mean a variety of things: “My mother; Belonging to mother; Unlettered; Arab; Who have no revealed Scripture of his own.”

I am fully aware that people in the Umma are using the word Ummi to mean Illiterate. But this was a catch-22. They assumed Muhammad was an illiterate jahil, because of that misunderstood verse, and then assumed that ummi means jahil, also due to that misunderstood verse.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
I have also read, but will have to look into that further, that the word commonly translated as ‘unlettered’ in the Qur’an (in reference to Muhammad) can also mean a Gentile…


Don'y believe such ignorant christian, the word Ummi does not mean those ho received no scripture, this is because the jews were described as ummmayoon as well in the Quran, hahahahaha

he is too confused christian to be considered

Ummi means someone from the Umma. Plain and simple. Now you want to imply that an Ummi means illiterate like it is common to claim in the islamic world, then you imply that the Umma is made of illiterates (Ummis).


The Heads (Mala-a) of Mecca were all called Ummis. That does not mean they were all illiterate. Calling Muhammad Ummi did not mean he is an illiterate. So please try something else Ahmed.



Mister baal

can you please stop promoting your ignorance, it does no good to you

based on your crap above, then the word Umm, (mother) means someone from the Ummah, hahahahahahah


You said it well, bro. Mr. Baal is indeed very funny. Does he really know Arabic or is he merely an Egyptian Apple_Pie? Does he do this to humour others and us? lol!

BMZ

Pretty close Ahmed. The word "Umm" (mother) does not follow the normal set of weights that gets applied to root verbs.

The word however is derived from Umma and it came to mean the head of the Umma, or the mother. The word "Umm" has *no* bearing on the word "Ummi" meaning "illiterate", quite the contrary.


The word Ummi, means someone from the Umma. Someone once tried to argue that Ummi means someone just born from the Umm and as such possess very little knowledge. He was proven wrong, as someone just born from the Umm, should have been called "Umami" not "Ummi".

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