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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Hey CD, just watched the hell video. You are very presentable with a very good voice and as AB mentioned good accents in both languages you use.

You have everything a presenter needs to succeed but you still seem to lack the amount of self-confidence that should go along your presentation talent. A little more faceplay will go a long way. Maybe face the camera more often?

As for the material presented in the hell video. At the end of the verse you used from Nisaa, it said: "So they can taste 'al Azab'". You translated it to 'taste the punishment', you should translate it to 'taste the torture'.

Never forget, the terms always sound so much nicer in English then how they are in Arabic. There is not a single verse that sound more barbaric in English then its original Arabic.

I think the only translation I have seen so far that might show the koran for what it really means, is the few verses that were translated by Ahmed Bahgat.

Also if you ever make a followup video, do not forget to add a bit about boiling water. Seventeen times we are told boiling water is used to torture people which is bad enough and not even ONCE, does the koran tell us something useful about boiling water like for example, boiling water to make it safer for consumption.


Thanks for the comments Baal (and others Smile ) Yes, I lack confidence - BerberElla said that too - and I know it is true anyway.


The hell with confidence, we like you exactly the way you are!

I must disagree with you and BerberElla though. You have more self confidence than anyone I know!

A man who shows his real face given his history and the potential danger this may pose, reflects only one thing!

You have finally reached a comfort zone with yourself and confident enough that your thoughts and feelings are not evil or wicked! You no longer want to hide your true thoughts and confident enough to show the man behind the man.

As a friend though I notice one thing and I hope I am not crossing my boundaries here. You need a big love in your life!

You're an emotional person who lives on sentimental inspiration and intellectual stimulation....and you're tired of getting this from the virtual world......It's time to surface from the deep and breathe real air and may be in the process be in the company of a beautiful and smart lady....

I am sorry....this is one of the very rare times where I let my profession get the better of me, but you're fascinating to analyse! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Hell - Youtube Video Reply with quote

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Hi Everyone

I just uploaded another video on youtube about Hell and although my questions are mainly aimed at Muslims, I thought people here might be interested to have a look.

Of course anyone is welcome to reply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd1P8SPcXPY


ps - sorry for the poor sound quality again Baal - you will need to turn the volume right up. (I must invest in a proper Mic - or you in some powerful speakers Wink lol)


Hello CD,

I watched the video and tried my best to make out whatever I could. First I must appreciate that you are a nice, kind and a loving person.  

You put yourself up on the video, which puts hideous men like Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Ibn Saleeb and others to shame for hiding behind a veil. You have joined the category of the bold ladies like Maryam Namazie, Wafa Sultan and others. You live in a country where there are plenty of Muslims and it shows how murtads are safe there.

I have three questions. After talking about 'burning and burning and burning', you said,"What for? Rape? Murder?" I could hear that.

Do you consider that murder and rape are very light crimes against humanity?

Do you think a murderer and a rapist should not be sent to hell?

Why did you pick on Islam and Qur'aan only?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dear BMZ

WHAT other religion is killing its people, as well as anybody else ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cosmicdancer wrote:
Baal wrote:
Hey CD, just watched the hell video. You are very presentable with a very good voice and as AB mentioned good accents in both languages you use.

You have everything a presenter needs to succeed but you still seem to lack the amount of self-confidence that should go along your presentation talent. A little more faceplay will go a long way. Maybe face the camera more often?

As for the material presented in the hell video. At the end of the verse you used from Nisaa, it said: "So they can taste 'al Azab'". You translated it to 'taste the punishment', you should translate it to 'taste the torture'.

Never forget, the terms always sound so much nicer in English then how they are in Arabic. There is not a single verse that sound more barbaric in English then its original Arabic.

I think the only translation I have seen so far that might show the koran for what it really means, is the few verses that were translated by Ahmed Bahgat.

Also if you ever make a followup video, do not forget to add a bit about boiling water. Seventeen times we are told boiling water is used to torture people which is bad enough and not even ONCE, does the koran tell us something useful about boiling water like for example, boiling water to make it safer for consumption.


Thanks for the comments Baal (and others Smile ) Yes, I lack confidence - BerberElla said that too - and I know it is true anyway.


The hell with confidence, we like you exactly the way you are!

I must disagree with you and BerberElla though. You have more self confidence than anyone I know!

A man who shows his real face given his history and the potential danger this may pose, reflects only one thing!

You have finally reached a comfort zone with yourself and confident enough that your thoughts and feelings are not evil or wicked! You no longer want to hide your true thoughts and confident enough to show the man behind the man.

As a friend though I notice one thing and I hope I am not crossing my boundaries here. You need a big love in your life!

You're an emotional person who lives on sentimental inspiration and intellectual stimulation....and you're tired of getting this from the virtual world......It's time to surface from the deep and breathe real air and may be in the process be in the company of a beautiful and smart lady....

I am sorry....this is one of the very rare times where I let my profession get the better of me, but you're fascinating to analyse! Smile


Wow! I'm begining to think you are psychic AB lol - you read me like a book.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: Hell - Youtube Video Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
cosmicdancer wrote:
Hi Everyone

I just uploaded another video on youtube about Hell and although my questions are mainly aimed at Muslims, I thought people here might be interested to have a look.

Of course anyone is welcome to reply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd1P8SPcXPY


ps - sorry for the poor sound quality again Baal - you will need to turn the volume right up. (I must invest in a proper Mic - or you in some powerful speakers Wink lol)


Hello CD,

I watched the video and tried my best to make out whatever I could. First I must appreciate that you are a nice, kind and a loving person.  

You put yourself up on the video, which puts hideous men like Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Ibn Saleeb and others to shame for hiding behind a veil. You have joined the category of the bold ladies like Maryam Namazie, Wafa Sultan and others. You live in a country where there are plenty of Muslims and it shows how murtads are safe there.

I have three questions. After talking about 'burning and burning and burning', you said,"What for? Rape? Murder?" I could hear that.

Do you consider that murder and rape are very light crimes against humanity?

Do you think a murderer and a rapist should not be sent to hell?

Why did you pick on Islam and Qur'aan only?

Salaams
BMZ


Hi BMZ - it is my fault as the sound is too low - I was saying why all this awful torture? What did they do? Rape? Murder?... No - they simply failed to believe!

You see, I do not consider disbelief to be a crime. (certainly not one worthy of eternal torture)

gotta go - talk later

Peace Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HomoErectus wrote:
dear BMZ

WHAT other religion is killing its people, as well as anybody else ?


Dear HE,

You are off-topic. Hell is not a patent or trademark of Islam. Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all have Hell. I will be writing a separate post later, showing the Christain Hell.  Laughing  

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: Hell - Youtube Video Reply with quote

cosmicdancer wrote:
BMZ wrote:
cosmicdancer wrote:
Hi Everyone

I just uploaded another video on youtube about Hell and although my questions are mainly aimed at Muslims, I thought people here might be interested to have a look.

Of course anyone is welcome to reply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd1P8SPcXPY


ps - sorry for the poor sound quality again Baal - you will need to turn the volume right up. (I must invest in a proper Mic - or you in some powerful speakers Wink lol)


Hello CD,

I watched the video and tried my best to make out whatever I could. First I must appreciate that you are a nice, kind and a loving person.  

You put yourself up on the video, which puts hideous men like Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Ibn Saleeb and others to shame for hiding behind a veil. You have joined the category of the bold ladies like Maryam Namazie, Wafa Sultan and others. You live in a country where there are plenty of Muslims and it shows how murtads are safe there.

I have three questions. After talking about 'burning and burning and burning', you said,"What for? Rape? Murder?" I could hear that.

Do you consider that murder and rape are very light crimes against humanity?

Do you think a murderer and a rapist should not be sent to hell?

Why did you pick on Islam and Qur'aan only?

Salaams
BMZ


Hi BMZ - it is my fault as the sound is too low - I was saying why all this awful torture? What did they do? Rape? Murder?... No - they simply failed to believe!

You see, I do not consider disbelief to be a crime. (certainly not one worthy of eternal torture)

gotta go - talk later

Peace Smile


Hi CD,

Thanks for clarifying that. Do let me have your answer to my third question, whenever you can.

Take care & Salaams
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:17 am    Post subject: Re: Hell - Youtube Video Reply with quote

double post sorry - my computer is really playing up and wasting my time by going soooooo slow - grrrrrrr
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:
dear BMZ

WHAT other religion is killing its people, as well as anybody else ?


Dear HE,

You are off-topic. Hell is not a patent or trademark of Islam. Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all have Hell. I will be writing a separate post later, showing the Christain Hell.  Laughing  

BMZ



only slightly off topic, regarding your last question... to cd...

you ask WHY only picking on islam !

in the case of "hell" you are right, all abrahamic religions have this...

but on the more general question you raised, you know the answer very well !
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Hell - Youtube Video Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
Why did you pick on Islam and Qur'aan only?


I used to be a Muslim and know a great deal about the Qur'an and Islam.

I have never been a Christian etc..., so don't know so much about Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism and so am not really qualified to put up a video critiquing those religions.

I'll leave it to ex-Christians etc... to give their expert critique on what those religions say about Hell.


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