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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: WHAT THE F***K?  Reply with quote

i always knew that islam was a bit strict on some issues. but i NEVER knew that virtually everything is islam is haram.

my god:

music, opposite gender interaction, tv watching, homosexuality, dogs, going to the fucking mall where there are women, etc!

i mean my gosh, what the hell? i go to a hanafi, anti wahhabi website. so you would think they would b a bit more modern and not so damn strict as the flucking hanabis. but i go here and what do i see!

i see articles like "tv take away time from god so it is haram" "music affects your emotion and so all but nasheeds are haram" "pictures of your friends are haram scratch them out" "get rid of your dog unless you are hunting because it is haram" "quit your job if you work with women" "do not go to unviersity with other women" "do not go out to eat in a public mixed atmospheres" "cafes allow card playing so it is haram" "e-mail your female friends and tell them you must cease talking with them because it is haram" "do not reply to a woman telling you hi" "do not even look at a woman under any circumstances" "do not go to a resturant where they sell wine, it is haram" "only by a cell phone with 911 access because you will over exceed talking, which is haram" "do not watch documentaries with animals in it, it is haram" and the fucking list goes ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.

i thought islam was supposed to be simple. so what the hell is all this shit? i go to a HANAFI website aka the most liberal ones. i go to sunnipath etc, and this is the shit i get!

here is my question to yall: what CAN a muslim do? read the quran all day and go to sleep and wake up and repeat it?

my god it make me furious that you can not do ANYTHING in this fucking religion.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT THE F***K? Reply with quote

ibnishaq,

It is not good and healthy for a confused mind to go and talk to other confused minds. That will keep you perplexed and agitated.

The problem is that you are trying to learn from the internet sites and forums. Stop visiting them and instead read Qur'aan with full concentration and try to understand the message.

Once you have done that, you would not need to visit those sites. Islam is not about putting on a skull cap or trousers which should be above the ankle, in length, or growing up beards and shaving off moustasche or entering the toilet by putting your left foot forward.

Try to read and understand. Once you have done that, you will not have the urge to go and visit the sites, which bother you most.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:17 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT THE F***K? Reply with quote

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[i]ibnishaq,

It is not good and healthy for a confused mind to go and talk to other confused minds. That will keep you perplexed and agitated.

The problem is that you are trying to learn from the internet sites and forums. Stop visiting them and instead read Qur'aan with full concentration and try to understand the message.



RIGHT !!!!!
Go and read the quran and ahadith with an open mind, think and comment on it... within yourself !
Question if THESE words from the "quran" could possibly be the words of some "god" !

Its self-revealing !

Excuse me, I don't mean to be rude to you personally, but then its you personally, who is writing here !


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Once you have done that, you would not need to visit those sites. Islam is not about putting on a skull cap or trousers which should be above the ankle, in length, or growing up beards and shaving off moustasche or entering the toilet by putting your left foot forward.



Its way more absurd !
It claims some "god" who demands all kinds of absurdities from you, telling you there is a jinn in the toilet, and the devil sleeps in your nostrils !


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Try to read and understand. Once you have done that, you will not have the urge to go and visit the sites, which bother you most.



Thats exactly what is asked from the reader - to comprehend what he is reading, to understand the whole circle of the hoax !

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ yes you make sense but i can not just throw out thousands of years f islamic scholarly!

when the coptic priest asked me if i wanted to become christian i said no and he asked me to give him 10 reasons that put me off of christianity and one reason was because catholics claim to have infallibility, and they make up 50% of christians. how can christians be so divided on their own history and how can we trust it??? i mean god would NOT make a religion be corrupted for all this time and then have some man down the road fix it.. aka protestant reformation. basically they are saying for 1500 years the christians were all wrong. and ti was not until luther that it was TRULY brought.

i can not trust a religion that is that much differently.

with sunni shia yeah, you have infallability too. but you also know exactly WHEN they split, and WHY, and so we can differentiate between right and wrong.

therefore if i do decide to stay muslim, i will try and follow the traditional way, or at least BELIEVE it even if i do not follow 100%.

while albania is hanafi my family were shaffi and so the main book we rely on is the reliance of traveller for information. and this book is clear.. women and men should never interact unless necessary. music is absolutely wrong no matter what. do not even touch a dog because it is impure. etc etc, and most shaffi scholars and hanafi say that the fucking TELEVISION is haram and it is just sad!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT THE F***K? Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
ibnishaq,

It is not good and healthy for a confused mind to go and talk to other confused minds. That will keep you perplexed and agitated.



I have to disagree with you here BMZ, we are far from confused. As a manner of fact, I have never been so certain and happy with my life!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ibnishaq, the answer to this dilemma is the following:

"Stop thinking in term of halal and haram. Think in term of Right and Wrong."

Halal & Haram means you, and all of yours, have delegated your mental faculty to someone else. Someone else determine what is wrong and what is right for you and labelled it as Halal & Haram.

It is Haram to steal from a muslim. It is Haram to eat pork. It is haram to bang a prostitute, unless you marry her first. But it is Halal to divorce her right after. Thinking in term of Halal & Haram implies "Not Thinking.

This "Not Thinking" is a byproduct of "Submission". You can either Think or you can Submit. You can not have both. Even the best Simulation games out there list those Two as opposite factions. When you submit, you submit your mind to someone else. It does not matter if that someone else lived and died 1400yrs ago.

I will quote a line from the movie "Running Man" when the boss was putting his henchman in his place: "Think? I am not paying you to think". Everytime you think to yourself, this is what Muhammad and his reincarnation of the day, whether Bahgat or BMZ are telling you.

So what I am telling you, as a person who prefers to think, is always evaluate everything in term of "Right & Wrong". Leave the "Halal & Haram" to the lizard eating tarsis who did not bring or add anything new to this world beside murder and hate and ransom.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT THE F***K? Reply with quote

ibnishaq wrote:


here is my question to yall: what CAN a muslim do? read the quran all day and go to sleep and wake up and repeat it?


That's about what I've been able to get from it.

ibnishaq wrote:

my god it make me furious that you can not do ANYTHING in this fucking religion.


God doesn't want religious automotons.  He wants people to use the brains and free will He gave us.  So there you go.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:43 am    Post subject: Re: WHAT THE F***K? Reply with quote

ibnishaq wrote:
my god it make me furious that you can not do ANYTHING in this fucking religion.


Yeah, you cannot even get out of it without the threat of death.  Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT THE F***K? Reply with quote

All_Brains wrote:
BMZ wrote:
ibnishaq,

It is not good and healthy for a confused mind to go and talk to other confused minds. That will keep you perplexed and agitated.



I have to disagree with you here BMZ, we are far from confused. As a manner of fact, I have never been so certain and happy with my life!


When I referred to the "other confused minds", I meant people at other Islamic sites or those Muslims with whom ibniishaq talks to or discusses with, not you or anyone here, A_B.  

Hope this clarifies.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ibnishaq, the answer to this dilemma is the following:

"Stop thinking in term of halal and haram. Think in term of Right and Wrong."

Halal & Haram means you, and all of yours, have delegated your mental faculty to someone else. Someone else determine what is wrong and what is right for you and labelled it as Halal & Haram.

It is Haram to steal from a muslim. It is Haram to eat pork. It is haram to bang a prostitute, unless you marry her first. But it is Halal to divorce her right after. Thinking in term of Halal & Haram implies "Not Thinking.

This "Not Thinking" is a byproduct of "Submission". You can either Think or you can Submit. You can not have both. Even the best Simulation games out there list those Two as opposite factions. When you submit, you submit your mind to someone else. It does not matter if that someone else lived and died 1400yrs ago.

I will quote a line from the movie "Running Man" when the boss was putting his henchman in his place: "Think? I am not paying you to think". Everytime you think to yourself, this is what Muhammad and his reincarnation of the day, whether Bahgat or BMZ are telling you.

So what I am telling you, as a person who prefers to think, is always evaluate everything in term of "Right & Wrong". Leave the "Halal & Haram" to the lizard eating tarsis who did not bring or add anything new to this world beside murder and hate and ransom.


Baal,

One request. When you wish to make a personal attack or talk about me, address direct to me in a post.

But do not mention my name in any post which you address to others. You have to come out of this mentality and leave it behind.

I am enjoying the civil exchanges here, so get out of FFI dirty mode.

You can show your allergies of dislike and hate to me direct. Is that clear? I hope so.

BMZ



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