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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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"Wa hum saaghayroon" means "when they had surrendered"

Not even close.


How far?  Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
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"Wa hum saaghayroon" means "when they had surrendered"

Not even close.


How far?  Laughing


Plain and simple...it means humiliated!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_Brains wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Quote:
"Wa hum saaghayroon" means "when they had surrendered"

Not even close.


How far?  Laughing


Plain and simple...it means humiliated!


Let us do this one A_B and we will come back to saaghayroon, transliteration my way.

Please translate this for me in simple Arabic "Yusuf, Aa'ridh un haaza" and this will help me explain.

Thanks.

BMZ

PS to Baal: You too try to translate, Baal. Thanks

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Quote:
"Wa hum saaghayroon" means "when they had surrendered"

Not even close.


How far?  Laughing


Plain and simple...it means humiliated!


Let us do this one A_B and we will come back to saaghayroon, transliteration my way.

Please translate this for me in simple Arabic "Yusuf, Aa'ridh un haaza" and this will help me explain.

Thanks.

BMZ

PS to Baal: You too try to translate, Baal. I need more input. Thanks

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Quote:
"Wa hum saaghayroon" means "when they had surrendered"

Not even close.


How far?  Laughing


Plain and simple...it means humiliated!


Let us do this one A_B and we will come back to saaghayroon, transliteration my way.

Please translate this for me in simple Arabic "Yusuf, Aa'ridh un haaza" and this will help me explain.

Thanks.

BMZ

PS to Baal: You too try to translate, Baal. Thanks


Hello BMZ

Glad to see you back in action. So I can expect to get you thoughts about the earlier comments soon?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well

Let me take it that the word Saghiroon means humiliated, well that is exactly what happens in any country, if you evade Taxes, you will be jailed (humiliated) as well you will be forced to pay all taxes you evaded

plain and simple


Hello Ahmed

So are you arguing that the people getting humiliated, in the quran, is people who are put in jail for the lack of tax-payment??? or is it people who disbelieve and has been beaten in battle?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tvebak wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Well

Let me take it that the word Saghiroon means humiliated, well that is exactly what happens in any country, if you evade Taxes, you will be jailed (humiliated) as well you will be forced to pay all taxes you evaded

plain and simple


Hello Ahmed

So are you arguing that the people getting humiliated, in the quran, is people who are put in jail for the lack of tax-payment??? or is it people who disbelieve and has been beaten in battle?

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Hello pal

My comment is clear, stop acting in such manner regarding my religion

here it is again, the people evading tax

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

also Tvebak , hy you give yourself the right to ask all these zillions of questions (mostely silly) regarding my faith?

let;s assume that you are an atheist, would that be a way to escape being asked regarding your faith?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Tvebak wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Well

Let me take it that the word Saghiroon means humiliated, well that is exactly what happens in any country, if you evade Taxes, you will be jailed (humiliated) as well you will be forced to pay all taxes you evaded

plain and simple


Hello Ahmed

So are you arguing that the people getting humiliated, in the quran, is people who are put in jail for the lack of tax-payment??? or is it people who disbelieve and has been beaten in battle?

Peace



Hello pal

My comment is clear, stop acting in such manner regarding my religion

here it is again, the people evading tax

Cheers


Sorry your argument does not apply when reading the verse:

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9.29: Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


This is not an econimcal matter between all people. It's a matter between people of a specific faith (faith in GOD and the last day) and people who do not believe in or live according to that specific religion. The people of disbelieve is supposed to subdue themselves to the former and pay jizya. It's quite clear. This is not about people who does not pay their taxes in a secularized society.

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also Tvebak , hy you give yourself the right to ask all these zillions of questions (mostely silly) regarding my faith?

let;s assume that you are an atheist, would that be a way to escape being asked regarding your faith?


This is a forum to discuss the matter of different things. One of these things happens to be islam (and in that context also the quran and hadith etc), which just happens to be your faith. So why shouldn't i ask questions (zillions I have not, maybe you are including my personal comments) or make comments about it, if this forum is created to discuss such matters? If you don't want to discuss them why do you bother then?

Well yes I'm an atheist. You can discuss the matter of the existance of a "god" at the appropriate place which A_B have made to discuss those matters. Here in this section we are discussing the matter of the quran. Otherwise we could discuss politics if you would like that, also in a appropiate place. For your information I think myself as a soft-socialist.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Quote:
"Wa hum saaghayroon" means "when they had surrendered"

Not even close.


How far?  Laughing


Plain and simple...it means humiliated!


Let us do this one A_B and we will come back to saaghayroon, transliteration my way.

Please translate this for me in simple Arabic "Yusuf, Aa'ridh un haaza" and this will help me explain.

Thanks.

BMZ

PS to Baal: You too try to translate, Baal. Thanks


Hello BMZ

I am sorry, I did not understand the sentence. Can you please provide the Arabic text?


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