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René Descartes' Main Question: Does God Exist?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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I'm one of those that dislike Descartes' philosophies, unfortunately. I studied him in University philosophy, and his arguments were very hasty and desparate, despite his unhealthy obsession with certainty (something a true philosopher should never expect to gain). I won't deny that he was influencial and innovative (both in philosophy and the sciences), but I also consider him to have been quite arrogant and far too hasty and biased.

His meditations were, at times, quite interesting. I liked his tendency to question everything, but by that virtue one could just as easily doubt his so-called indubious foundation (cogito ergo sum), since he doesn't go on to consider if thoughts truly are his, or if they even exist. If you are going to be a die-hard skeptic, at least be intellectually honest enough not to simply stop when you lack the capacity to keep going. Although I concede that, as humans, we are unable to keep regressing ad infinitum, he too should have conceded this in his meditation. He instead trusts the very mind that he conceded could easily be fooling him.

His evidence for God, I found, was quite innovative but non-the-less folds quickly to logical scrutiny. He claimed that we are too limited as corpereal, imperfect beings to imagine something as perfect as God, as this idea could not have orignally come from any source. However, what he fails to appreciate is that we cannot conceive of God, because infinity and perfection are concepts we have simply infered from the idea of unending extropolation of the finite. We are unable to conceive of them at all; they are merely concepts we have considered but that we know to be impossible, just as with a round square. They hence belong in Descarte's bottom group of existence - the impossibles!


I didn't read about him at school but from reading, he questions EVERYTHING and he is not sure of some of the decisions he makes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't read about him at school but from reading, he questions EVERYTHING and he is not sure of some of the decisions he makes.


Decisions, perhaps, but not conclusions. Descartes believed in only producing conclusions that are indubitable - that is the basis of his entire work. He begins by doubting everything, but he reaches conclusions based on "the light of nature", and states quite bluntly that one cannot deny his conclusions. He is not just sure of his conclusions, he is absolutely certain of them.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like Descartes a lot. One of the fathers of logic.


Agreed brainiac, so how come you deny my claims of logic? Laughing


I never did! I just like to mess with people sometimes, just like you! Laughing

Hey, still having trouble with loading your avatar!?


No, but the pages are wider than 1024 so you get a horizontal scroll when reading posts. Could you thin it down a little?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mutley wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
Mutley wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
I like Descartes a lot. One of the fathers of logic.


Agreed brainiac, so how come you deny my claims of logic? Laughing


I never did! I just like to mess with people sometimes, just like you! Laughing

Hey, still having trouble with loading your avatar!?


No, but the pages are wider than 1024 so you get a horizontal scroll when reading posts. Could you thin it down a little?


Which browser are you using?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't matter. Browsers do not vary in screen width. System desktops do. The question is, what desktop resolution are you viewing it from? THAT varies in width. So others might have their computer reading something more than 1024 by 768 and not see a problem, but 1024 is the current defacto standard and that's what I'm reading it from, and 1024 is the average standard, so there isn't any need for me to adjust my screen resolution. But if I'm the only one that has brought this up. then please don't touch a thing, as you'll, only run into more problems by fixing a non broken wheel
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_Brains wrote:
Mutley wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
Mutley wrote:
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I like Descartes a lot. One of the fathers of logic.


Agreed brainiac, so how come you deny my claims of logic?  Laughing


I never did! I just like to mess with people sometimes, just like you! Laughing

Hey, still having trouble with loading your avatar!?


No, but the pages are wider than 1024 so you get a horizontal scroll when reading posts. Could you thin it down a little?


Which browser are you using?


I have got the same problem All_Brains
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have got the same problem All_Brains


Hi Ariel

Which theme/style are you using?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Descartes' typo:  he said "Cogito ergo sum", but should have said "CogitA ergo sum."  That's why he goes in circles about whether God exists, for he starts and ends with himself.

He should have first started top-down, with the premise God exists, Cogita ergo sum, and then he'd have a full-spectrum answer.  Whether he'd believe in it or not afterwards, is still up for grabs.  I notice that people decide on God's existence based on whether they LIKE the idea of an Omnipotent creator in the first place, not really based on what objective evidence potentially demonstrates or proves.  But, it's all about what you want, anyway.  It's YOUR life to do with as you please.


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