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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

in the rubbish bin, mate
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe they did not own a lean camel?


Why does it have to be a lean camel? Won't a fat one do the same?

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koran: 2:27 ...they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path,
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Maybe they did not own a lean camel?


Why does it have to be a lean camel? Won't a fat one do the same?

BMZ

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koran: 2:27 ...they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path,



hmmm

where is above in the following Arabic text:

الَّذِينَ يَنقُضُونَ عَهْدَ اللَّهِ مِن بَعْدِ مِيثَاقِهِ وَيَقْطَعُونَ مَا أَمَرَ اللَّهُ بِهِ أَن يُوصَلَ وَيُفْسِدُونَ فِي الأَرْضِ أُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ (27)

[The Quran ; 2:27]
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
far out baal

Baal wrote:
So the prophets and messengers could not make it to hajj.


Did I say that?

please read again what i said

Baal wrote:

Good work Ahmed.


Actually my argument is irrefutable


Baal wrote:
So you mean to say that, all those prophets who also happen to be semitic, who happen to have existed somewhere on the Southeast of the Mediterranean, who were not in india or china or the americas, those semitic prophets, were not able to find a way to do hajj.


That is if you prove beyond a doubt that they didn't so the hajj

my argument is simply based on that

when you prove that, then what I said from the Quran should slam dunk those who alleg that those prophets can not be Muslim accoridng to the Quran

Baal wrote:

Maybe they did not own a lean camel? but many of them were kings of their own people, they owned ALL the lean camels they needed.


dismissed

Baal wrote:

What you should concern yourself Ahmed is the following, why in the beginning muhammad told the muslims to face jerusalem, and then in less then 13 years, muhammad went back and told people to face kaaba.


where Mohammed said to face jerusalem?

any hearsay hadith is dismissed as you know

try to talk Quran only as I do

the first Qiblah was never said by Mohamed, when he was born, it seems that the people were facing jerusalem

now when the qiblah was changed, again it was not due to what Mohammed said, it is due to what Allah said in the Quran


Ahmed, You said:
Quote:
How clear is that, let me assume for argument sake that when Ibrahim was ordered in 22:27  to And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage is the order of compulsion upon all people including the prophets and messengers, again their stpid argument holds no water because maybe MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE INCLUDING PROPHETS AND MESSNEGERS COULD NOT FIND A WAY OF DOING IT, yet they are Muslims according to 3:97

What a slam dunk that is boys and girls,...


You are implying that they did not do it because the could not find a way and now clarifying that maybe they did it and we do not know about it.

As to the part where you claim that the prophets might have done a hajj that we do not know about. Do not worry about it, we know they did not perform a hajj. Not a single one of them did it or even hinted at it.

The promised land is *not* in Mecca.

The only ones who did it, were the hanafis, at the time, led by Maslama from the Yemen if you want to consider him a prophet, you are welcome. Abu Bakr however did not think Maslama was a prophet as he tortured and beheaded him.

And for the record, when you pray, and perform wuduu, and prostate in the direction of a stone, and perform hajj, and fast for a month, all the instructions you are following, they were passed from Maslama, passed on from his parents and passed on to Muhammad. So, Haj Mabroor ya Ahmed.



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
far out baal

Baal wrote:
So the prophets and messengers could not make it to hajj.


Did I say that?

please read again what i said

Baal wrote:

Good work Ahmed.


Actually my argument is irrefutable


Baal wrote:
So you mean to say that, all those prophets who also happen to be semitic, who happen to have existed somewhere on the Southeast of the Mediterranean, who were not in india or china or the americas, those semitic prophets, were not able to find a way to do hajj.


That is if you prove beyond a doubt that they didn't so the hajj

my argument is simply based on that

when you prove that, then what I said from the Quran should slam dunk those who alleg that those prophets can not be Muslim accoridng to the Quran

Baal wrote:

Maybe they did not own a lean camel? but many of them were kings of their own people, they owned ALL the lean camels they needed.


dismissed

Baal wrote:

What you should concern yourself Ahmed is the following, why in the beginning muhammad told the muslims to face jerusalem, and then in less then 13 years, muhammad went back and told people to face kaaba.


where Mohammed said to face jerusalem?

any hearsay hadith is dismissed as you know

try to talk Quran only as I do

the first Qiblah was never said by Mohamed, when he was born, it seems that the people were facing jerusalem

now when the qiblah was changed, again it was not due to what Mohammed said, it is due to what Allah said in the Quran


Ahmed, You said:
Quote:
How clear is that, let me assume for argument sake that when Ibrahim was ordered in 22:27  to And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage is the order of compulsion upon all people including the prophets and messengers, again their stpid argument holds no water because maybe MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE INCLUDING PROPHETS AND MESSNEGERS COULD NOT FIND A WAY OF DOING IT, yet they are Muslims according to 3:97

What a slam dunk that is boys and girls,...


You are implying that they did not do it because the could not find a way and now clarifying that maybe they did it and we do not know about it.

As to the part where you claim that the prophets might have done a hajj that we do not know about. Do not worry about it, we know they did not perform a hajj. Not a single one of them did it or even hinted at it.

The promised land is *not* in Mecca.

The only ones who did it, were the hanafis, at the time, led by Maslama from the Yemen if you want to consider him a prophet, you are welcome. Abu Bakr however did not think Maslama was a prophet as he tortured and beheaded him.

And for the record, when you pray, and perform wuduu, and prostate in the direction of a stone, and perform hajj, and fast for a month, all the instructions you are following, they were passed from Maslama, passed on from his parents and passed on to Muhammad. So, Mabrook ya Jaheli.



It seems you misunderstood what I want due to your stupidity, I have no other option but to dismiss your crap, sorry
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow,
You sure posted an awful lot of stuff.  You've shown us that you are very passionate and dedicated to the subject matter. Would I be wrong if I said you are nothing if not grammically correct?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

katlike wrote:
Wow,
You sure posted an awful lot of stuff.  You've shown us that you are very passionate and dedicated to the subject matter. Would I be wrong if I said you are nothing if not grammically correct?


Are you talking to me?

if Yes then please elaborate, I could not find the awful lot of stuff you are talking abolut?

also I clould not understand what you mean by being gramtically correct, to which argument exactly?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
far out baal

Baal wrote:
So the prophets and messengers could not make it to hajj.


Did I say that?

please read again what i said

Baal wrote:

Good work Ahmed.


Actually my argument is irrefutable


Baal wrote:
So you mean to say that, all those prophets who also happen to be semitic, who happen to have existed somewhere on the Southeast of the Mediterranean, who were not in india or china or the americas, those semitic prophets, were not able to find a way to do hajj.


That is if you prove beyond a doubt that they didn't so the hajj

my argument is simply based on that

when you prove that, then what I said from the Quran should slam dunk those who alleg that those prophets can not be Muslim accoridng to the Quran

Baal wrote:

Maybe they did not own a lean camel? but many of them were kings of their own people, they owned ALL the lean camels they needed.


dismissed

Baal wrote:

What you should concern yourself Ahmed is the following, why in the beginning muhammad told the muslims to face jerusalem, and then in less then 13 years, muhammad went back and told people to face kaaba.


where Mohammed said to face jerusalem?

any hearsay hadith is dismissed as you know

try to talk Quran only as I do

the first Qiblah was never said by Mohamed, when he was born, it seems that the people were facing jerusalem

now when the qiblah was changed, again it was not due to what Mohammed said, it is due to what Allah said in the Quran


Ahmed, You said:
Quote:
How clear is that, let me assume for argument sake that when Ibrahim was ordered in 22:27  to And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage is the order of compulsion upon all people including the prophets and messengers, again their stpid argument holds no water because maybe MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE INCLUDING PROPHETS AND MESSNEGERS COULD NOT FIND A WAY OF DOING IT, yet they are Muslims according to 3:97

What a slam dunk that is boys and girls,...


You are implying that they did not do it because the could not find a way and now clarifying that maybe they did it and we do not know about it.

As to the part where you claim that the prophets might have done a hajj that we do not know about. Do not worry about it, we know they did not perform a hajj. Not a single one of them did it or even hinted at it.

The promised land is *not* in Mecca.

The only ones who did it, were the hanafis, at the time, led by Maslama from the Yemen if you want to consider him a prophet, you are welcome. Abu Bakr however did not think Maslama was a prophet as he tortured and beheaded him.

And for the record, when you pray, and perform wuduu, and prostate in the direction of a stone, and perform hajj, and fast for a month, all the instructions you are following, they were passed from Maslama, passed on from his parents and passed on to Muhammad. So, Mabrook ya Jaheli.



It seems you misunderstood what I want due to your stupidity, I have no other option but to dismiss your crap, sorry

Back into the cave you go Ahmed,

The prophets who were all born in the middle east did NOT perform Haj.
And we have NO record of them performing Haj.

So take the argument you made and drag it with you in shame. No messenger EVER gave Two sh1ts about the Meccan Kaaba. Not even Ibrahim until the muslims repeated what the Hanafis (Maslama) told them.

So, if you believe Maslama was a messenger, then you can prove me wrong.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Maybe they did not own a lean camel?


Why does it have to be a lean camel? Won't a fat one do the same?

BMZ

?

koran: 2:27 ...they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path,



hmmm

where is above in the following Arabic text:

الَّذِينَ يَنقُضُونَ عَهْدَ اللَّهِ مِن بَعْدِ مِيثَاقِهِ وَيَقْطَعُونَ مَا أَمَرَ اللَّهُ بِهِ أَن يُوصَلَ وَيُفْسِدُونَ فِي الأَرْضِ أُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ (27)

[The Quran ; 2:27]

22:27,
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Maybe they did not own a lean camel?


Why does it have to be a lean camel? Won't a fat one do the same?

BMZ

?

koran: 2:27 ...they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path,


Yes, I am aware of that word 'lean' used in the translations but what could be a better word?

BMZ



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