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How come some prophets didn't do Hajj?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

katlike wrote:
Wow,
You sure posted an awful lot of stuff.  You've shown us that you are very passionate and dedicated to the subject matter. Would I be wrong if I said you are nothing if not grammically correct?


How so? Would I be grammatically correct if I said you are grammically wrong?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
far out baal

Baal wrote:
So the prophets and messengers could not make it to hajj.


Did I say that?

please read again what i said

Baal wrote:

Good work Ahmed.


Actually my argument is irrefutable


Baal wrote:
So you mean to say that, all those prophets who also happen to be semitic, who happen to have existed somewhere on the Southeast of the Mediterranean, who were not in india or china or the americas, those semitic prophets, were not able to find a way to do hajj.


That is if you prove beyond a doubt that they didn't so the hajj

my argument is simply based on that

when you prove that, then what I said from the Quran should slam dunk those who alleg that those prophets can not be Muslim accoridng to the Quran

Baal wrote:

Maybe they did not own a lean camel? but many of them were kings of their own people, they owned ALL the lean camels they needed.


dismissed

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What you should concern yourself Ahmed is the following, why in the beginning muhammad told the muslims to face jerusalem, and then in less then 13 years, muhammad went back and told people to face kaaba.


where Mohammed said to face jerusalem?

any hearsay hadith is dismissed as you know

try to talk Quran only as I do

the first Qiblah was never said by Mohamed, when he was born, it seems that the people were facing jerusalem

now when the qiblah was changed, again it was not due to what Mohammed said, it is due to what Allah said in the Quran


Ahmed, You said:
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How clear is that, let me assume for argument sake that when Ibrahim was ordered in 22:27  to And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage is the order of compulsion upon all people including the prophets and messengers, again their stpid argument holds no water because maybe MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE INCLUDING PROPHETS AND MESSNEGERS COULD NOT FIND A WAY OF DOING IT, yet they are Muslims according to 3:97

What a slam dunk that is boys and girls,...


You are implying that they did not do it because the could not find a way and now clarifying that maybe they did it and we do not know about it.

As to the part where you claim that the prophets might have done a hajj that we do not know about. Do not worry about it, we know they did not perform a hajj. Not a single one of them did it or even hinted at it.

The promised land is *not* in Mecca.

The only ones who did it, were the hanafis, at the time, led by Maslama from the Yemen if you want to consider him a prophet, you are welcome. Abu Bakr however did not think Maslama was a prophet as he tortured and beheaded him.

And for the record, when you pray, and perform wuduu, and prostate in the direction of a stone, and perform hajj, and fast for a month, all the instructions you are following, they were passed from Maslama, passed on from his parents and passed on to Muhammad. So, Mabrook ya Jaheli.



It seems you misunderstood what I want due to your stupidity, I have no other option but to dismiss your crap, sorry

Back into the cave you go Ahmed,

The prophets who were all born in the middle east did NOT perform Haj.
And we have NO record of them performing Haj.

So take the argument you made and drag it with you in shame. No messenger EVER gave Two sh1ts about the Meccan Kaaba. Not even Ibrahim until the muslims repeated what the Hanafis (Maslama) told them.

So, if you believe Maslama was a messenger, then you can prove me wrong.


listen mister dumb

before you continue your stupidity why donlt you show me where it was compulsory on all prophets to do Hajj

if you can't, then dismiss your stupid arse in the nearest toilet

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
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BMZ wrote:
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Maybe they did not own a lean camel?


Why does it have to be a lean camel? Won't a fat one do the same?

BMZ

?

koran: 2:27 ...they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path,


Yes, I am aware of that word 'lean' used in the translations but what could be a better word?

BMZ

A flying lean donkey would be a much better word.

Use your imagination like the Uswa Hasana did.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
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Baal wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Maybe they did not own a lean camel?


Why does it have to be a lean camel? Won't a fat one do the same?

BMZ

?

koran: 2:27 ...they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path,


Yes, I am aware of that word 'lean' used in the translations but what could be a better word?

BMZ

A flying lean donkey would be a much better word.

Use your imagination like the Uswa Hasana did.


No. A donkey cannot fly.

You still didn't get it. Please think again and let me know what does the 'lean camel' mean?

You are an Arabic-speaking person, you should know the meaning of the Arabic words. Try again.
I will wait.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Arabic word is Damir. A word that is no longer used in contemporary Arabic.

This seems OOT Are you sure you do not want to open a new thread for this?
If this is another Arabic test then do not bother replying to this.

Tabari thinks it means: "الإبل الـمهازيـل." which means the weak camels.
Razi, plagiarizing from Tabari as usual, thinks it means: "والضمور الهزال"
Kortobi just thinks it is something we ride.
Bin Kathir thinks is just something we ride. He goes further to state that those who walk are preferred over those who ride. Kathir's reason is that those who walked was mentioned before those who ride (stupid reason).

The list goes on..

What is there to get?


BMZ wrote:
A donkey cannot fly.

Yes it can. And the moon can be split. And if it was not for the donkey flying, you would have been praying Three times a day instead of Five.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
The Arabic word is Damir. A word that is no longer used in contemporary Arabic.

This seems OOT Are you sure you do not want to open a new thread for this?
If this is another Arabic test then do not bother replying to this.

Tabari thinks it means: "الإبل الـمهازيـل." which means the weak camels.
Razi, plagiarizing from Tabari as usual, thinks it means: "والضمور الهزال"
Kortobi just thinks it is something we ride.
Bin Kathir thinks is just something we ride. He goes further to state that those who walk are preferred over those who ride. Kathir's reason is that those who walked was mentioned before those who ride (stupid reason).

The list goes on..

What is there to get?


BMZ wrote:
A donkey cannot fly.

Yes it can. And the moon can be split. And if it was not for the donkey flying, you would have been praying Three times a day instead of Five.


Baal,

I don't really need Razi, Tabari, Ibn Kathir and company to understand Qur'aan and you will never see me quoting them.  

I want to know from you what do you think of Damir? It surely is not a sick camel, not a weak camel, not an old camel and not a lazy camel.

Is there anything good that can come in your mind about this? What kind of a camel is Damir?

By the way, if there were fifty prayers ordained, I would have done that too. One guy prayed three times in one go and his people do it once a week. lol!

Where did you read about a flying donkey? Baalam's donkey never flew.  Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
The Arabic word is Damir. A word that is no longer used in contemporary Arabic.

This seems OOT Are you sure you do not want to open a new thread for this?
If this is another Arabic test then do not bother replying to this.

Tabari thinks it means: "الإبل الـمهازيـل." which means the weak camels.
Razi, plagiarizing from Tabari as usual, thinks it means: "والضمور الهزال"
Kortobi just thinks it is something we ride.
Bin Kathir thinks is just something we ride. He goes further to state that those who walk are preferred over those who ride. Kathir's reason is that those who walked was mentioned before those who ride (stupid reason).

The list goes on..

What is there to get?


BMZ wrote:
A donkey cannot fly.

Yes it can. And the moon can be split. And if it was not for the donkey flying, you would have been praying Three times a day instead of Five.


Baal,

I don't really need Razi, Tabari, Ibn Kathir and company to understand Qur'aan and you will never see me quoting them.  

A strange personal choice. Nothing to be proud off though. There are meanings to the words that are no longer available.

Also any dishonesty they commit, is often a passive dishonesty, they will almost always give you a much better answer then the deedats and the naiks who have no qualms about engaging in active dishonesty.

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I want to know from you what do you think of Damir? It surely is not a sick camel, not a weak camel, not an old camel and not a lazy camel.

Is there anything good that can come in your mind about this? What kind of a camel is Damir?

You are stating "Damir", but to clarify, it sounds more like "Damer".

I also think you might be mixing up "Damer" with "Dameer".

BMZ wrote:

By the way, if there were fifty prayers ordained, I would have done that too. One guy prayed three times in one go and his people do it once a week. lol!

That is the problem. Only Three prayers are ordained, not Five and not Fifty. You are welcome to pray 500 times if you want. But people have more precious things to do with their lives then to feel guilty because they only prayed 41 times and missed 9 bendovers.

And that Vampire who prays Three times in One go can go stuff it, we understand each other?

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Where did you read about a flying donkey? Baalam's donkey never flew.  Laughing

BMZ

Baalam? you mean Borak?

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