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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: "Hit Them!"  Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFGJBW2wWU

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

great video. by the way i was looking at your page and your kids are absolutely adorable! what a lucky man you are to have such sweet kids!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second that!  I love the one with you running around the backyard to ELO.  Your kids are also very lucky to have you as a Dad.

I first saw your "Hell" video, and I've watched some of your others, too.  Putting a face and demeanor with your writing sure does give me a better idea of "who" you are. I'm very impressed, all 'round.  You seem like a person that I would like to get to know--too bad you're "across the pond", so to speak!

Keep making the vids!  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ibnishaq wrote:
great video. by the way i was looking at your page and your kids are absolutely adorable! what a lucky man you are to have such sweet kids!


hmmm, indeed they are

now how do you reckon the queers should solve this problem of not being lucky because they can't  have children?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: "Hit Them!" Reply with quote

cosmicdancer wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFGJBW2wWU

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Hello Hassan

I watched the first half of you video, better sound this time, looka mate the reaosn I abondoned watching it is simply you are manipulating the word Nishooz

you put it simply as to rise up

that is a lie man

bevcause if you read 4:128-129, the Quran is talking about the same thing Nishooz but on the husband side, now according to your flawed understanding, that verse should be talking about husbanding rising up agaisnt their wives, see how yout totally confused the context

the word Nashiz being by a male or a fenales, means ILL CONDUCT, not mere and possible merited rise up

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: "Hit Them!" Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
cosmicdancer wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFGJBW2wWU

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Hello Hassan

I watched the first half of you video, better sound this time, looka mate the reaosn I abondoned watching it is simply you are manipulating the word Nishooz

you put it simply as to rise up

that is a lie man

bevcause if you read 4:128-129, the Quran is talking about the same thing Nishooz but on the husband side, now according to your flawed understanding, that verse should be talking about husbanding rising up agaisnt their wives, see how yout totally confused the context

the word Nashiz being by a male or a fenales, means ILL CONDUCT, not mere and possible merited rise up

Salam


Hi Ahmad, - Ill Conduct is fine and perhaps if I had prepared better I would have included that meaning also - but it doesn't effect the main thrust of what I was saying. (actually I did talk about the man's nushooz later but had to cut it out as the video was getting too long)

I'd be interested in hearing what you think are the sorts of acts that constitute Nushooz (for either or both man and woman).

Are you able to give some specific examples of the sort of ill conduct that would necessitate the 3 steps in this verse?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the comments ibn ishaq and Tater Salad Smile

Though I think perhaps I need to be a little more animated and lively lol
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi CD

I am about to watch your video! Very Happy

By the way, Nushooz comes from the root verb "NASHAZa" which means to become irregular, not in harmony, or not in accordance...

An example of music when you say "Hazeh Al-Oghniah Nashazan" which mean this song is out of tune or not melodic!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_Brains wrote:
Hi CD

I am about to watch your video! Very Happy

By the way, Nushooz comes from the root verb "NASHAZa" which means to become irregular, not in harmony, or not in accordance...

An example of music when you say "Hazeh Al-Oghniah Nashazan" which mean this song is out of tune or not melodic!


Yes, thanks AB - my main concern, however is what are the 'specific' acts that consitute nushooz. I mean we really do need to know what exactly are the things that one could be hit for.

As I said in the video - traditional scholars said it meant (in the case of the woman):

1. Leaving the house without the permission of the husband.

2. Not making herself available for sex for him

3. Not beautifying herself.

Nowadays people try to make the act sound more 'serious' and even hint that it is not far removed from adultery.

Most people I talk to don't have a clue what might constitute Nushooz.

It's odd that in the "Clear Book" there is such confusion about what exactly this terrible act of 'Nushooz' is - particularly when one could be "Hit" for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: "Hit Them!" Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
cosmicdancer wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFGJBW2wWU

:)


Hello Hassan

I watched the first half of you video, better sound this time, looka mate the reaosn I abondoned watching it is simply you are manipulating the word Nishooz

you put it simply as to rise up

that is a lie man

bevcause if you read 4:128-129, the Quran is talking about the same thing Nishooz but on the husband side, now according to your flawed understanding, that verse should be talking about husbanding rising up agaisnt their wives, see how yout totally confused the context

the word Nashiz being by a male or a fenales, means ILL CONDUCT, not mere and possible merited rise up

Salam


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Hi Ahmad,


Hello Hassan

cosmicdancer wrote:
- Ill Conduct is fine and perhaps if I had prepared better I would have included that meaning also -


Great that we agree on the meaning of Nashiz

cosmicdancer wrote:
but it doesn't effect the main thrust of what I was saying. (actually I did talk about the man's nushooz later but had to cut it out as the video was getting too long)


Here is the main thrust, please give me valid answers to the following, and I need it from both perspectives ( a believer and a kafir)

Problem: A wife that insists on her ill conduct

Possiblity I: The husband is non Muslim, the perverse wife is also non Muslim

Possibilty II: The husband is a Muslim and the perverse wife claims to be one

Question: what the husband can do to save his beloved and perverse wife in this life and a possible herafter?

Please I need valid answers under both possibilities, cheers

cosmicdancer wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing what you think are the sorts of acts that constitute Nushooz (for either or both man and woman).


I have replied to this many times on many places, it's detailed on my web site:

I can bring hundreds of examples:

Examples of Ill conduct that can be committed by both husband and wife:

1) Drug addiction
2) Unclean (self and house)
3) Ightiab (insulting others behind their backs)
4) Theft
5) Abusing the chidlren
6) Not careing for the eldery parents
7) Spending too much time outside the house with friends while ignoring the family
8) insulting or beating the other partner for no reason
etc
etc

i can bring more if you wish

cosmicdancer wrote:
Are you able to give some specific examples of the sort of ill conduct that would necessitate the 3 steps in this verse?


of course, here is more for you:

9) Absuing the neighbours
10) Stingy
11) Alcohol drinking
12) Wasting money by spending it for useless and uneeded crap
13) Talking on the phone with friends for hours while ignoring the family needs
14) Spending all day and night watching TV and talk shows while ignoring the family needs
15) Not wearing moderate cloth in public
16) Gambling
etc
etc

what is your solution for the above family not to break up assuming we have a wife or a husband who insists on doing any of the above, dont forget that your solution must be fair by also saving the perverse  partner while solving the other partner problem?

Cheers


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