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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

By the way, this hadith...

To get Mr.Ahmmed to thinking beyond the binary logic !

Think about it, HOW many verses was it, originally, what COULD it have been ?

And what would the quran be, IF it had ALL those surahs... ?

WHO knows ?

Even "god" sometimes sent a "bettersurah" to abrogate another one, on the way...

strange manoevres in the dark !

I'm sssuuuuurrreee it is NOT VALID - is it ? Very Happy



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is a question to which I can not provide a proof for my answer, my answer is simply that I firmly BELIEVE to be the case yet I can not provide assurance to it, therefore Iím not asking others to believe the same

Ha! Ahmed thinks that using comments from the hadith which he does not believe in, is the same as using quotes from the koran which he believes in.

When trying to disprove the hadith, which you do not believe in, you are trying to find some hadith that is contradictory to the hadith itself.

But it is a fallacy to prove the koran, which you believe in,  by using verses telling you "I am real".
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
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That is a question to which I can not provide a proof for my answer, my answer is simply that I firmly BELIEVE to be the case yet I can not provide assurance to it, therefore Iím not asking others to believe the same

Ha! Ahmed thinks that using comments from the hadith which he does not believe in, is the same as using quotes from the koran which he believes in. or not... as he says: "the hadith is nothing but conjectures exactly as the Quran being a conjecture"

When trying to disprove the hadith, which you do not believe in, you are trying to find some hadith that is contradictory to the hadith itself.

But it is a fallacy to prove the koran, which you believe in, †by using verses telling you "I am real".



Like you say, its the "buffet" mentality, not only muslims have that...
my mother too ! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
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That is a question to which I can not provide a proof for my answer, my answer is simply that I firmly BELIEVE to be the case yet I can not provide assurance to it, therefore Iím not asking others to believe the same

Ha! Ahmed thinks that using comments from the hadith which he does not believe in, is the same as using quotes from the koran which he believes in.

When trying to disprove the hadith, which you do not believe in, you are trying to find some hadith that is contradictory to the hadith itself.

But it is a fallacy to prove the koran, which you believe in, †by using verses telling you "I am real".


Idiot

I'm anot a hadith rejector, I just don't dicuss any hadith with the kafirs, I never said or claimed that I'm a ahdith rejector, however I reject the majority of the hadith

got it pal?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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this allbrain wants to mock allah and his prophet and mr bahgat will show him inshallah Very Happy

I love this 'mocking' thing. Anything you discuss with a muslim, any subject you bring forward, and you are mocking.


of course you mock allah and his prophets i see it every day from you and other kafirs in the hell bound forum
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HomoErectus wrote:
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this allbrain wants to mock allah and his prophet and mr bahgat will show him inshallah Very Happy


The point is, it is so surprisingly EASY to "mock" islam, or a muslim...

Since the quran and ahadith are so full of nonsense, inconsistencies, errors, mistakes, faults, misunderstandings, and fairy tales - anything you say, commenting or criticizing islam, is already MOCKING IT !!!!

You [muslims] may be used to shut up and not question anything in your socalled "holy scriptures" - WE are used to ask questions and dig deep into stuff...

You better get used to what you call "mocking", since the questioning and criticizing will not come to a stop, its rather just beginning...

WE [west] will surely NOT shut up - its rather time for the muslims in muslim countries to start waking up... to the call of reality and reason, instead of blindly following cultish beliefs and rituals, remaining stuck in the 7th century !

We will help those muslims to wake up...

And think on their own !

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i think bahgat figured you out...go find your boyfriend
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mashallah mr baghat you're killing this stupid man slowly. indeed allah has set a brick wall on his black heart
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Defender of Islam wrote:
HomoErectus wrote:
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this allbrain wants to mock allah and his prophet and mr bahgat will show him inshallah Very Happy


The point is, it is so surprisingly EASY to "mock" islam, or a muslim...

Since the quran and ahadith are so full of nonsense, inconsistencies, errors, mistakes, faults, misunderstandings, and fairy tales - anything you say, commenting or criticizing islam, is already MOCKING IT !!!!

You [muslims] may be used to shut up and not question anything in your socalled "holy scriptures" - WE are used to ask questions and dig deep into stuff...

You better get used to what you call "mocking", since the questioning and criticizing will not come to a stop, its rather just beginning...

WE [west] will surely NOT shut up - its rather time for the muslims in muslim countries to start waking up... to the call of reality and reason, instead of blindly following cultish beliefs and rituals, remaining stuck in the 7th century !

We will help those muslims to wake up...

And think on their own !

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i think bahgat figured you out...go find your boyfriend



Really... ?

He better figure out something at least...

You know he [and you, obviously] is kinda LATE, still being entangled in fairy tales...

Usually, when people grow up, they leave the fables behind. classify them as TALES, and get on with the real life... yet you still LIVE in those shady tales...

Did you already snort out the devil form your nostrils today ?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a serious level...
And on a personal level !

Ahmad says this, in the discussion with A_B :


"But they have that touch of arrogance that the creation maybe a coincidence and not by God, those who want to believe must submit first that there must be One entity called God Who created all things that are working in such harmony



I had once made a thread regarding this point...

and will ask the same question here !

HOW do you "believe" ?

I [for instance] am not ABLE to do that !!

No insult intended here - but even if my upper consience would "decide" to become a "believer" - my subconscious would oppose this behaviour, and not LET me...

Ahmed says: "Those who WANT to believe..."

Can you "WANT" to believe, maybe so... but can you succeed in this ?

But what can you do, when you say "I'm a believer", and your other voice says "caca di buffalo !"

"Believing" is not a choice, in ones younger years... it is pounded into the childs brains !

Later on, you come to realize that its all a hoax, and you leave this "belief" behind, it gets replaced with REALITY and scientific researches, knowledge and experiences !

"Believing" is not something that you do deliberately, willingly, consciously - but BELOW the surface !

I CAN not "believe", and there's millions like me !

How you gonna MAKE them "believe" - by scaring them to death with quranic formulas ?

What you gonna say if I LAUGH at that ?

HOW could you possibly make an "un-believer" a "faithful person" ?

And at this point YOUR "god" [not mine !] wants to "punish" me ?

What for - he made me this way [in religious perspective] - why would he punish his own creation ?

Its ABSURD !

Like the whole belief-control-system called "Islam" !

Long live "Kaffir-dom" - I like it !

And its not really of any value what your strange "god" says or does, or prescribes, or not... he's a NOBODY to me, an invented pagan idol anyway !

Go from there...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
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Putting pop corn in the microwave.


yep, it's showtime, don't forget your beer

You prefer Luxor or Stella?


Haven't tasted Luxor. What flavours can one get?


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