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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:

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Baal wrote:

You are treating the path to heaven as a puzzle that you might get lucky and solve or you might not. Instead of just worrying about being good.

whatever way you want to look at it, fine with me, you want to consider a loto ticket or a mere luck or possible full understanding of how the god works, is fine with me

Baal wrote:
You seem to think that there is certain rituals and truth that you have to do and uncover, and if you do them in the right order then you get to heaven,

absoutely not

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else you are a mushrik and you burn. That is what Pazuzu is talking about. The utter randomness of the path to your heaven.

absoutely not

What are you talking about Ahmed. The path set in islam is a total random puzzle. What is good and what is bad is completely arbitrary and is only dependent on how you interpret certain puzzles in the koran.

Puzzle: Certain bad acts are good if you do them to infidels but bad if you do them to muslims (who is a muslim?). Certain good acts like friendship are only good if you if you do them with muslims (who is the non-muslim?)

Certain acts is a fahisha if you do with a woman but is not fahisha if possessed by your right hand (who is possessed by the right hand). What if the man is possessed by the right hand of the woman.

What is this sh1t? who needs this? what a waste that Egypt had to waste Two bright minds like yours and mine on this sh1t. And half of Cosmic's brain since he is half an egyptian. Wtf. Instead of you and me discussing a better faster algorithm, we are discussing solving a puzzle if a sharmoota should be considered a possesion of the right hand or not.

If this is what you think is important then so be it. Allahu Akbar, Ahmidak Ya Rab, Subhanak, Allahu A3lam, Sadak Allahu Al 3AZEEM Ya manta kareem Ya Rab, Bismillah Ar Rahman Ar Raheem (Because his name in Yemen was Rahman btw).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2- Yes, Islam is standing up for 1400 years, because it was contained in the Middle East, where no one dares to ask questions, including Muslims.

“O who you believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask about them while the Qur’an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most forbearing.” 5:101
“Before you, a community asked such questions, then on that account they became disbelievers” 5:102

3- And, Islam is standing out now, because of the ugly terrorist attacks on innocent humanbeings (the infidels) in the West (outside the ME).

Now, watch the fall of Islam.


For your information, 5:101-102 simply told people not to ask silly questions. People in the backward centuries of 1-3 AD and before that had done the same by asking Moses and Jesus lots of stupid and ridiculous questions. And when they were answered, they never understood and became confused and convoluted minds.

If you read the Christian Bible, you will see what had happened. Jesus' own disciples used to ask silly and ridiculous questions. When he answered, none understood. Jesus even went to the extent of making the bunches sit down and explain but they never understood.

Had they understood, they would have followed his Way and there would not have been any need to come up with trinity, hypostatic union, incarnation and other silly and confounding doctrines.

Worry about the downfall of Christianity. It is almost dead in Europe. Thanks for the good laugh of the day.  Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ, your concern about the successful 10% of this planet is duly noted. Let's hope they go down soon so we can all be in the mud together. Instead of inspiring to reach them BMZ, let us sit and hope they come down to us. I mean really why not. So we can all have the same belief system and stop shopping around for beliefs, no? And once we all have the same belief then obviously it will be peace on Earth. Just like it is peace on Earth among all the Arab nations who love each other and do not have rape or AIDS.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you read the Christian Bible, you will see what had happened. Jesus' own disciples used to ask silly and ridiculous questions. When he answered, none understood. Jesus even went to the extent of making the bunches sit down and explain but they never understood.


They understood him perfectly after Jesus rose from the dead.

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Had they understood, they would have followed his Way and there would not have been any need to come up with trinity, hypostatic union, incarnation and other silly and confounding doctrines.  


Christians do follow the Way.  It is precisely because the followers of Jesus did understand who he claimed to be after he rose from the dead that the trinity, hypostatic union and the incarnation were necessary to make sense of his claims.

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Worry about the downfall of Christianity. It is almost dead in Europe. Thanks for the good laugh of the day.  Laughing

BMZ


Don't worry about Christianity, BMZ.  It is far, far from being in a downfall.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/69001.aspx

http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Muslims2Christianity.htm

http://isaalmasih.net/isa/dreams-philippines.html

The following site gives lots of data:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/are_muslims_lea.php

Google: Muslims converting to Christianity and look for more reports.

Look what is going on in Burma:

http://www.christianaid.org/Missionaries/MIR/mir20080318.aspx

Look what is going on in China:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html

Ten thousand Chinese become Christians each day, according to a stunning report by the National Catholic Reporter's veteran correspondent John Allen, and 200 million Chinese may comprise the world's largest concentration of Christians by mid-century, and the largest missionary force in history. [1] If you read a single news article about China this year, make sure it is this one.

I suspect that even the most enthusiastic accounts err on the downside, and that Christianity will have become a Sino-centric religion two generations from now. China may be for the 21st century what Europe was during the 8th-11th centuries, and America has been during the past 200 years: the natural ground for mass evangelization. If this occurs, the world will change beyond our capacity to recognize it. Islam might defeat the western Europeans, simply by replacing their diminishing numbers with immigrants, but it will crumble beneath the challenge from the East.

Years ago I speculated that if Mecca ever is razed, it will be by an African army marching north; now the greatest danger to Islam is the prospect of a Chinese army marching west.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.

Guess, who I would believe?????
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David wrote:
BMZ wrote:


If you read the Christian Bible, you will see what had happened. Jesus' own disciples used to ask silly and ridiculous questions. When he answered, none understood. Jesus even went to the extent of making the bunches sit down and explain but they never understood.


They understood him perfectly after Jesus rose from the dead.

BMZ wrote:


Had they understood, they would have followed his Way and there would not have been any need to come up with trinity, hypostatic union, incarnation and other silly and confounding doctrines.  


Christians do follow the Way.  It is precisely because the followers of Jesus did understand who he claimed to be after he rose from the dead that the trinity, hypostatic union and the incarnation were necessary to make sense of his claims.

BMZ wrote:


Worry about the downfall of Christianity. It is almost dead in Europe. Thanks for the good laugh of the day.  Laughing

BMZ


Don't worry about Christianity, BMZ.  It is far, far from being in a downfall.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/69001.aspx

http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Muslims2Christianity.htm

http://isaalmasih.net/isa/dreams-philippines.html

The following site gives lots of data:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/are_muslims_lea.php

Google: Muslims converting to Christianity and look for more reports.

Look what is going on in Burma:

http://www.christianaid.org/Missionaries/MIR/mir20080318.aspx

Look what is going on in China:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html

Ten thousand Chinese become Christians each day, according to a stunning report by the National Catholic Reporter's veteran correspondent John Allen, and 200 million Chinese may comprise the world's largest concentration of Christians by mid-century, and the largest missionary force in history. [1] If you read a single news article about China this year, make sure it is this one.

I suspect that even the most enthusiastic accounts err on the downside, and that Christianity will have become a Sino-centric religion two generations from now. China may be for the 21st century what Europe was during the 8th-11th centuries, and America has been during the past 200 years: the natural ground for mass evangelization. If this occurs, the world will change beyond our capacity to recognize it. Islam might defeat the western Europeans, simply by replacing their diminishing numbers with immigrants, but it will crumble beneath the challenge from the East.

Years ago I speculated that if Mecca ever is razed, it will be by an African army marching north; now the greatest danger to Islam is the prospect of a Chinese army marching west.


Dear David, BMZ is one of those Muslims who is very well brain washed and AGAIN will take in you empty and nonesense circles.

Either he is not living in our world or burry his head in the sand.
"downfall of Christianity"!!
He is fishing those false reports and hang on them ignoring the facts. That millions and millions of Muslims are leaving Islam.
But, that is typical islamic. I know. I lived the horrible islamic system for over 25 years.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


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I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.

Guess, who I would believe?????


Hmm, I don't get whaqt you are saying?

so you admit of being dumb?

this must be the case because 5:101-102 does not say "don't ask questions about the Quran:, i guess you had to swing into damage recovery mode which seems not working either
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.

Guess, who I would believe?????


Hmm, I don't get whaqt you are saying?

so you admit of being dumb?

this must be the case because 5:101-102 does not say "don't ask questions about the Quran:, i guess you had to swing into damage recovery mode which seems not working either

Yep, Typical Islamic Answer:
Start with a satire about your opponent being smart, then bring it to the irony of him being Dumb.

Here is 5:101:
{ يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْ أَشْيَآءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُمْ وَإِن تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْهَا حِينَ يُنَزَّلُ ٱلْقُرْآنُ تُبْدَ لَكُمْ عَفَا ٱللَّهُ عَنْهَا وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ }


Here is 5:102:
{ قَدْ سَأَلَهَا قَوْمٌ مِّن قَبْلِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَصْبَحُواْ بِهَا كَافِرِينَ }

I believe the English translation is posted earlier in this thread.

Here you have Muhammad/Allah begging people to not ask questions. What is so hard or confusing about the intention of this passage?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Obvioulsy you don't understand 5:101-102 as most dumb bums on FFI

well, read it again, it encourges asking questions about the Quran, it only does not encourage asking question about what is not in the Quran mister smart

hahahahah


TYPICAL islamic respond.

I did not claim that I am smart.
I don't need to be smart to read and understand the violence in the Koran.
Besides, I was taught the Koran and Hadiths by imams in Arabic in my (now) islamic country of birth.

Guess, who I would believe?????


Hmm, I don't get whaqt you are saying?

so you admit of being dumb?

this must be the case because 5:101-102 does not say "don't ask questions about the Quran:, i guess you had to swing into damage recovery mode which seems not working either

Yep, Typical Islamic Answer:
Start with a satire about your opponent being smart, then bring it to the irony of him being Dumb.

Here is 5:101:
{ يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْ أَشْيَآءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُمْ وَإِن تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْهَا حِينَ يُنَزَّلُ ٱلْقُرْآنُ تُبْدَ لَكُمْ عَفَا ٱللَّهُ عَنْهَا وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ }


Here is 5:102:
{ قَدْ سَأَلَهَا قَوْمٌ مِّن قَبْلِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَصْبَحُواْ بِهَا كَافِرِينَ }

I believe the English translation is posted earlier in this thread.

Here you have Muhammad/Allah begging people to not ask questions. What is so hard or confusing about the intention of this passage?


read this you dumb who knows no arabic:

وَإِن تَسْأَلُواْ عَنْهَا حِينَ يُنَزَّلُ ٱلْقُرْآنُ تُبْدَ لَكُمْ عَفَا ٱللَّهُ عَنْهَا


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