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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Our God and allah  Reply with quote

Our God and allah
Some people think that the Muslim’s god and our (the Christians) God are the same.
This is, definitely, NOT TRUE.
Muslim advocates in the West are trying very hard to justify the legitimateness of Islam as a peaceful ‘religion’, especially after 9/11/01.
Out of desperation they use lies (deception) and double talk, which is allowed in Islam, al taqiya.
They use money, sex, race and terror (fear) to lure Americans to Islam.
Their god (Allah) is a god of hate. He instructs and encourages them to instill terror in the heart of non-Muslims and kill them (Surah 8:13-17 & many others). The Koran is full with “fight” and ”kill”.
One must acknowledge that Allah is not in harmony with our God.

Before Mohammad ’cleansed’ the Kabba of many idols, it was in fact a pagan temple dedicated by Hindus (although they weren’t called Hindus yet). The tribe of Mohammad followed a primary idol known as Durga, the moon god Al-llat who was represented by the crescent moon to the Arabs and the Hindus. Even before Mohammad claimed prophetic visions he wanted to be a Hebrew (obviously  people he admired for their intelligence and beauty) and so he began emulating the Hebrews and their monotheism, but the Jews could not accept him.
Mohammad became angry with the Jews and Christians and began having his visions of his own god in his own way.
God ceased to be called Ar-Rhaman and Mohammad began using the word
Al-Llah to describe his god. This was never the Christian or Hebrew Yahweh (Elohei Avraham the (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob), but the pagan Arab-Hindu Al-Lat of the Qurashi tribe. (Al meant ‘the’ and ilah meant ‘goddess’, not God.

Jesus taught, “Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you and persecute you.” Math 5:44
Ironically, they call the Christians INFIDELS because they believe (ignorantly) that Christians worship 3 gods (the Holy Trinity). Mohammad fails to understand monotheism. However, it is not enough to say there is only one God if you point at the wrong God.
The Muslims however, give Mohammad an equal position as Allah if not more importance.
In order to be a Muslim you have to say the shehada “there is no god but Allah, and Mohammad is his messenger”. If one cite the first part only, he cannot be a Muslim, he must cite the second part pertaining Mohammad.
Christians’ God, the Lord Jesus Christ is a God of love, peace and mercy.
Jesus forbade his followers from using the sword (Mathew 26:52).
When He was on earth He cured the sick healed the blind. Mohammad didn’t.
Jesus came to save lives (Luke 9:56). Mohammed came to destroy lives (Surah 48:16….).
There is much more to be said to prove that our God has nothing to do with Allah.
No way those 2 Gods are the same. Allah, the crescent moon, is one of the 360 gods, al ella (the most popular), used to be worshiped by the Arabs, which Mohammad chose to avoid the tribes resentment.

Even Abraham of the Bible is not Abraham of the Koran:
a) The Bible says that Abraham’s father’s name was Terah, but the Koran says Azar (Surah6:74).
b) Isaac was the one to be sacrificed not Ishmael (surah 37:100)
c) He had eight sons not just two as the Koran claims.
d) He had 3 wives and not 2.
e) He did not live and worshiped in the valley of Mecca (surah 14:37) but in Hebron.
f) He did not build the Kabah. The Kabah was not built by Adam and then rebuilt by Abraham. It was built by the pagans to worship a black rock which fell out of the sky.
g) Nimrod did not throw Abraham into fire (surah 21:68.69 & 9:69).Nimrod lived many centuries before Abraham.

Conclusion: Christianity and Islam has NOTHING to do with each other
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhhhh...your god and the Muslim god are the same. Have you read the Old Testament? It is full of killing and plundering as well. It is full of stories of God wiping out countless people and ordering his favorite little desert tribe to kill and pillage on a sclae that would make the Vikings proud.

Sure, over the years most Christians have accepted a different moral code than the one taghut in the Old Testament, but that only proves that either they were finally reigned in by secular governments that were tired of the constant blood shed, or they finally realized that Gods moral compass was a little skewed.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Uhhhh...your god and the Muslim god are the same.

Just because there are two bloodthirsthy gods does not make them one and the same.  Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ixolite wrote:
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Uhhhh...your god and the Muslim god are the same.

Just because there are two bloodthirsthy gods does not make them one and the same.  Wink


True, but in this case they are. Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the god of Abraham.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

noncredo wrote:
ixolite wrote:
noncredo wrote:
Uhhhh...your god and the Muslim god are the same.

Just because there are two bloodthirsthy gods does not make them one and the same.  Wink


True, but in this case they are. Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the god of Abraham.

Not fair to refer to the same God. It is not even the same Abraham. Like finding some guru named Abraham and claiming that Christians and Muslims now both worship Vishnu.

Jehovah's witness, claim that Jesus is the 'archangel' st.michael, who became a human, and then is dead and will sit on his 'throne' as he judges people. Can we claim they worship jesus? Is it the same person?

The religions are referred to as 'Abrahamic' but that is PC talk. That is what people trying to bring people closer to each other claim. Specially the muslim world which generally lacks technology and the means to make enough food for itself.

But in reality, it is not the same person, and it is not the same baal. The muslim baal is a mix of Arab baals. Akbar from Mecca and Rahman from Yemen and possibly more. In fact a lot of the 99 names of Allah we discovered lately have no basis in any islamic books (100s of Thousands of lines were verified electronically by Azhar). It is possible that islam was in the habit of taking the God/Baal of anyone they open and claim it was Allah. Like they did with Rahman and Akbar.

Bismilla Ar rahman ar raheem - In the name of the god the (often merciful) the (often merciful).
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Abraham had two sons that tie into all three ‘Abrahamic’ religions. Isaac is traditionally viewed as the father of the Jews. Christians are an off shoot of the Jewish traditions. Ishmael is traditionally seen as the father of the Arabs, including Muhammad. Adam, Noah and Moses are also common to all three religions.

Now I’ll admit I haven’t read every book on Christianity, Judaism or Islam, but a great number of believers from all three camps agree that it is the same god and since I really have no pony in that race, I see no reason to disagree with them. From the reading I have done, they do seem to share a common source, and that common source is Abraham.

In my opinion, they all worship a fictional character. One blood thirsty, misogynistic, genocidal, jealous, vengeful, fictional character is just as good as another blood thirsty, misogynistic, ….You get the point.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

noncredo wrote:
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noncredo wrote:
Uhhhh...your god and the Muslim god are the same.

Just because there are two bloodthirsthy gods does not make them one and the same.  Wink


True, but in this case they are. Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the god of Abraham.

Jews and Christians worship YHVH, mohammedans worship Allah. Two different gods.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Abraham had two sons that tie into all three ‘Abrahamic’ religions. Isaac is traditionally viewed as the father of the Jews. Christians are an off shoot of the Jewish traditions. Ishmael is traditionally seen as the father of the Arabs, including Muhammad. Adam, Noah and Moses are also common to all three religions.

Mo stole stories and characters (but screwed them up) to try to sell himself to the Jews and Christians. He also tried to incorporate the daughters of Allah into his new cult to include the polytheistic Meccans (see satanic verses). Did the god of Abraham have daughters? No.
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Interesting, I've never read The Satanic Verses. I'll have to go look for it. To be honest, I never delved that deep into Islam, just read the Koran. Maybe my arguments were born from my ignorance of the religion and it’s roots. I do appreciate the new perspective and look forward to learning something I may not have known.
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

noncredo wrote:
Interesting, I've never read The Satanic Verses. I'll have to go look for it. To be honest, I never delved that deep into Islam, just read the Koran. Maybe my arguments were born from my ignorance of the religion and it’s roots. I do appreciate the new perspective and look forward to learning something I may not have known.



what do you want to know about the satanic verses?

better you know it from a Muslim who knows the Arabic Quran A to Z than gettin manipulated by the ignornat kafirs enemy of Islam, let me know and I will educate you to the best of my knowledge


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