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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Lets take a quick look at the entity of this alleged "God"....

I was always asking myself, why religions, [Islam is just one of those] insist on ONE god?
Who says so ?
A "prophet"...
or maybe many prophets.....
thousands of prophets have been roaming the earth!
Who knows whatever they said....

And thats all for a reasoning?

How did they know?

Oh, yeah, god told them!
As they are "prophets"!!!!
Its their Job to have talks with this singular "God" !
They get payed for that!

Couldn't it also be that there is a whole football-team, including trainers, docs, managers, and a group of cheer-leaders - all of 'em "gods" ?

And WHY not ?
By WHAT binding REASON ?

and as for - "always was and will always be" - the same question: says WHO ?

again - the "prophets"... the ones who's job it is and who are getting payed for predictions of all kinds, end-time scenarios, heavenly remedies [camel urine!], etc...

Maaaan... those "prophets" must have been a nuisance !!!!
On every streetcorner, not only one, nooo, they stood and proclaimed in bunches, heaps, bundles !!!!

Maybe this "God", and all the other "gods", were "NOT always there and will always be there" !!
Maybe its the other way around, they die on a daily basis, and re-create themselves every other day, or next week... or never?

Its a whole lotta questions, when you question everything !

And WHY not questioning everything ?

Ahhhh... because this specific singular entity has SAID so.... don't question, don't ask... just "believe" !!!

OR ELSE......... Hellfire !

Maybe "Hell" is a hell of an interesting place to be......
Meet Mohammad, et al...


back to the control-switch, keeping all the flock in the herd !


Personally, I think that this entity "god" is a highly unfair thing !
Very undemocratic and egoistic, egocentric and maybe also a bit of an egomaniac !
Its always about HIM !!!!
And nobody else is ever able to climb onto his throne and take over!!!!

THIS is DICTATORSHIP !!!
In MY eyes !!

Viva la Revolucion !!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm making it hard upon you, so let me make it very easy, maybe you can just give a yes or a no to make it easy upon you.

1. Does evil demolish the concept of there being a God? Yes or No.

2. Can God be evil? Yes or No? On what basis do you justify your answer?

3. If God exists, can he communicate with the creation? Yes or No

4. If he communicates with the creation, can he do things or want things you don't like, or want?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry and a further add on.

You say ''Allah is not a God''

I don't mean to be rude, but I feel that many people from egypt, pride themslves on this and that qualification, in fact, you get soem Muslims who are qualified in certain arena's such as say, engineering, and then they believe they become an expert in every field. Its not your faultm its your culture......sometiems even their qualifications become questionable when they speak...

I think my simple line of questions is taking its toll on you, for you are unable to answer basic questions, so what about in a debate, maybe we can answer each other in this format and see where things lead to.

your above quote 'Allah is not God' is a silly one. For despite being an 'arab' you claim to make out their is a difference! So for teh record, Allah is God, its just an arabic expression. i think 34 years as an arab, and 17 years as a 'muslim' and you still don't know this?! i wonder how coptics say the name God..............I'm sure the next accusation is that the Muslims beleive in a moon god!!
lol.

All_brains.....i think you mean:
that you beleive in a cosmic Designer, and you do not believe in a 'God' as detailed by abarahmic faiths, or for that matter any religion. THIS is what you mean but you cannot figure out the terms being used here!

But since you are saying God cannot be this or that i.e he cannot beccalled Allah ( loool) then tell me, how did you come to the knowledge of Allah's attributes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Ameen

Although you adress brainsout, I feel like intruding again.

Look

The point is - there is no proof for a "god", just like there is no proof there is no "god".

All the rest is speculations over speculations and interpretations of speculations, assumptions and belief, and re-interpretation of all the already chewed-on human inventions.

You CLAIM... but no more!

Others, try to disprove your claims, on various levels.

Not because you arent allowed to believe in whatever you want...

You might as well believe in the famous Teapot flying around Mars.
Who cares?

The point is that you are adhering to the most violent and murderous ideology available on this planet!

It KILLS !
And not only that, but commits any crime possible!

AS for your questions:

1) "good and evil" are moral standards, and get defined by the society.
No need to invoke a "god" here!

Questions 2/3/4 are kinda obsolete, when you go from the point that there is no such "god" available for you to interpret your human concepts onto.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear homoerectus,


I was leading to the points you mention, and i have dealt with some of hwat you have said, though not much in detail.

We must talk of good/best explanantions, the term proof is a term that has many meanings and connotations.

there is not a proof of many things but we are certain, the sun will rise 2mrw, prove it? you exist, prove it?

But does believeing in this make some one irrational because there is no empirical proof?

What we are saying here is that a esign inference requires a designer, if it doesn't, then how does the apperance of design arise?

furthermore, you are talking of a teapot behind mars.......you are totally misunderstanding the point. i think you got this off dawkins right? thisis not an xplanantion of design inference or why we beleive in a God in the 1st place!?

As for murderous ideology.......you sit behind a computer screen, and say these things, dont you read the news, dot you read the papers?

Who is invading thecountries today? Who is supporting dictatorships, Who is arming other countries with weapons? who is threatening to invade Iran? I think the threat is coming form other then Islaam and the Muslims. maybe we should see the facts rather then make up things as we go along.



hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ameen wrote:
Dear homoerectus,


I was leading to the points you mention, and i have dealt with some of hwat you have said, though not much in detail



Dear Ameen

So, what came out, after you "dealt" with some of what I said.... ?
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We must talk of good/best explanantions, the term proof is a term that has many meanings and connotations.



Could you please list these "many meanings" ?
I'm really curious to see the different meanings!
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there is not a proof of many things but we are certain, the sun will rise 2mrw, prove it? you exist, prove it?



Our world's circular motion around the sun is scientifically proven!
And the sun will "not rise", the quran is simply WRONG in this, its the world who moves, not the sun, and we turn into the position to see the sun everydy, due to our own ROTATION.


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But does believeing in this make some one irrational because there is no empirical proof?



Its true, not everything - so far - can be scientifically proven, by the standards of today!
Which implies that possibly tomorrow, we will know more!
Whats still in the dark today, may be throughly analyzed and proven.... next year!
It has always been like that, and probably will be like that in the future!
Its a process!

BELIEFs are merely assumptions, hypothesis, acting "AS IF..." - no more!

Psychologically its well known WHY people adopt some "belief"!


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What we are saying here is that a esign inference requires a designer, if it doesn't, then how does the apperance of design arise?



Have you ever been in a car-accident?
Hopefully not, but I'm sure you have seen the scattered parts on TV.

An accident was not planned, but still it took place!
When certain factors get together, you are likely to sooner or later to get into a car-accident!
Its not even so many factors.....
1st-you need to sit in a car, 2nd-you drive on a highway, 3rd-you are speeding, 4th-you drink a bottle of Whisky while you drive.


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furthermore, you are talking of a teapot behind mars.......you are totally misunderstanding the point. i think you got this off dawkins right? thisis not an xplanantion of design inference or why we beleive in a God in the 1st place!?



The "flying teapot" comes from Bertrand Russel [google him up], and Dawkins just picked up on it, since its such a nice alternative!

So, WHY do you believe "in a God in the 1st place" ?


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As for murderous ideology.......you sit behind a computer screen, and say these things, dont you read the news, dot you read the papers?



Compared to what muslims do, Americans are "harmless as children"!
Like you said - just read the news !
Muslims killing muslims as well as non-muslims on a DAILY BASIS, and in numbers!
And it was like that since Islam came up!
Mohammad was the number 1 criminal of his times!
His wealth was accumulated by robbing, stealing, ambushing, terrorizing only!
He became the wealthiest man of Arabia, while before his jihad he had NOTHING, but crept under the protecting wings of a woman who ran her own business, who even helped him becoming a "profit"!
This "role model" was of a rather poor appearance, before he became "the profit"!

Islam kills - face the facts!


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Who is invading thecountries today? Who is supporting dictatorships, Who is arming other countries with weapons? who is threatening to invade Iran? I think the threat is coming form other then Islaam and the Muslims. maybe we should see the facts rather then make up things as we go along.



Didn't Iran try to cut off parts of Iraq, when the war between Iran and Iraq took place?
Wasn't Saddam invading Kuweit, when it all started off, for Iraq ?

But I wont argue with you at that point, I'm not gonna defend the invasion of Iraq.
It was/is a tragic event, for the civillian populations, and most of all, for the iraqi women, who now have to put up with radical Islamists, changing their status back to the 7th century!

I have been to Baghdad, it was a fairly liberal society, back then.


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hope that helps.



Well, I do hope you learn to ask questions... inside!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I didn't log in, so my last comment comes under the name of "guest" !
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HomoErectus wrote:
Sorry, I didn't log in, so my last comment comes under the name of "guest" !


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this a one one one debate?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It blogged me down. Self glorification. Hey world, listen to me!!! What about me? I'm important !!! The world couldn't survive without my opinions.


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