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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:41 pm    Post subject: Isaiah 42  Reply with quote

Hello All

In Isaiah 42, the first seven verses prophecy the coming of Jesus:

1: Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2: He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3: A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4: He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5: Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7: To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

[Isaiah ; 42:1-7]

In the Bible there is only one human that is named Kedar, the grandson of Ishmael:

These are their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebaioth; then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,

[ 1 Chronicles ; 1:29]

The Land where Kedarites had settled is called Arabia. The prophecy for the coming of a new prophet in Arabia with a new scripture, begins with verse number eight:

8: I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9: Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10: Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11: Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12: Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
13: The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.  

[Isaiah ; 42:8-14]
-> God revealed in the Land of Kedar to  prophet Muhammad  (who is a descendant of Kedar) a New Song, the Quran, in the language of the Kedarites. The verses of the Quran are recited like a poem. Nearly 1.5 billion Muslims residing all over the world, recite this new song and glorify Allah in their daily prayers, five times in a day. The initial Revelation came to prophet Muhammad in a cave of a mountain near the city of Mecca and during the annual Islamic Pilgrimage called Hajj, Muslims from all over the world assemble in Mecca and declare Glory to the Lord from the top of mount Arafat.

-> There is no doubt that Prophet Muhammad is known as a mighty prophet of Allah and he did stir up jealousy among the most influential and dominating tribe of the pagan Arabs in Arabia: he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies

In the OT, the God often speaks I will do this, or I have done this, whereas in the above passages, He has chosen a human being to do these jobs on his behalf. The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man . Here is an example to the God saying, I Did such and such:

7: And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8: And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9: Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
10: Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
11: Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12: For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

[2 Samuel ; 12:7-12]

To be continued….


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting proposition, Ahmed. But would you edit it to make the quotes of smaller size? They are so large, it's hard to read. Thanks. I won't reply to this, I post too much already, and got secular work to do. But I will read and think over what you've written. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Re: Isaiah 42 Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hello All

In Isaiah 42, the first seven verses prophecy the coming of Jesus:

1: Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2: He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3: A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4: He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5: Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7: To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

[Isaiah ; 42:1-7]


Actually I believe it is speaking about Isaiah himself. This is confirmed just a little further down with this verse:

Isa 42:19 Who is blind but My servant? Or deaf, as My Messenger whom I have sent? Who is blind as he who is perfect, and blind as Jehovah's servant?

The Messenger he speaks of had already been sent.

AhmedBahgat wrote:

In the Bible there is only one human that is named Kedar, the grandson of Ishmael:

These are their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebaioth; then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,

[ 1 Chronicles ; 1:29]

AhmedBahgat wrote:

The Land where Kedarites had settled is called Arabia. The prophecy for the coming of a new prophet in Arabia with a new scripture, begins with verse number eight:

8: I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9: Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10: Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11: Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12: Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
13: The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

[Isaiah ; 42:8-14]
-> God revealed in the Land of Kedar to prophet Muhammad (who is a descendant of Kedar) a New Song, the Quran, in the language of the Kedarites. The verses of the Quran are recited like a poem. Nearly 1.5 billion Muslims residing all over the world, recite this new song and glorify Allah in their daily prayers, five times in a day. The initial Revelation came to prophet Muhammad in a cave of a mountain near the city of Mecca and during the annual Islamic Pilgrimage called Hajj, Muslims from all over the world assemble in Mecca and declare Glory to the Lord from the top of mount Arafat.

-> There is no doubt that Prophet Muhammad is known as a mighty prophet of Allah and he did stir up jealousy among the most influential and dominating tribe of the pagan Arabs in Arabia: he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies

In the OT, the God often speaks I will do this, or I have done this, whereas in the above passages, He has chosen a human being to do these jobs on his behalf. The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man . Here is an example to the God saying, I Did such and such:

7: And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8: And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9: Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
10: Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
11: Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12: For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

[2 Samuel ; 12:7-12]

To be continued….


Same problem. The Messenger had already been sent, and it was Isaiah.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very funny Fathom

so Allah is telling Isaiah of the coming of two new prophets and you think that those two prophets are Isaiah

Hahahahah

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Very funny Fathom

so Allah is telling Isaiah of the coming of two new prophets and you think that those two prophets are Isaiah

Hahahahah

Thanks for the laugh


No, Allah isn't telling Isaiah anything. Isaiah is telling Isaiah. Smile

The Islamic god of Allah does not exist in the Hebrew scriptures, nor in the Christian ones. You each have your own god created by your own prophets.

See how great it is? Now you don't have to fight over your gods, since you each have one of you own.

If anyone else would like a god, just send me a PM. I'll whip up one in a couple minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol

thanks for the augh again

Im like this one,

Isaiah was talking to Isaiah
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
lol

thanks for the augh again

Im like this one,

Isaiah was talking to Isaiah


You see, you speak from a position of faith, whereas I speak from a position of no faith at all. The problem with faith is evidence, or lack thereof. Now, to illustrate my point, what could stop any Hindu from coming in here and saying that the verse from Isaiah is speaking towards their faith?

You see, faith has a nasty habit of insinuating itself into almost anything, and the reason is because people will read into things because they will see what they want to see.

The Christians used the benefit of hindsight to select several Old Testament verses in their effort to solidify the phophethood of Jesus. Muslims do the exact same thing; they will use the Torah and Gospels and read into them in an effort to solidify the prophethood of Muhammad.

The truth is, anybody can do this. I can find old Torah verses that foretell my coming, your coming, and anyone''s future arrival on this earth. It's not magic at all, it's just a very simple thing to do.

You are taking that verse of Isaiah on "faith," but I read it from the view of a realist. Since no god has ever been proven to exist, then the only evidence that does exist is Isaiah is speaking and writing about himself.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baguette, how can anyone have an honest discussion with you when we all know that if someone brings up a point that doesn't meet your needs, you will merely ignore it as though it was never raised? You'll pretend it doesn't exist. So what would be the point of telling you anything?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mutley wrote:
Baguette, how can anyone have an honest discussion with you when we all know that if someone brings up a point that doesn't meet your needs, you will merely ignore it as though it was never raised? You'll pretend it doesn't exist. So what would be the point of telling you anything?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fathom wrote:
The truth is, anybody can do this. I can find old Torah verses that foretell my coming, your coming, and anyone''s future arrival on this earth. It's not magic at all, it's just a very simple thing to do.



Hmm, yeh I would like to see how you can show me some bible passages that foretell of your coming


can you do the walk or you are only talking?


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