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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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John 3:8 (New International Version)
"The wind blows wherever it pleases.

You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going.

So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."


This is referring to living in the now. Most people's minds are actually in a combination of past and future, which are things that don't actually exist, and their minds ignore what actually DOES exist, which is the present moment which goes on and on and on and on....Remember, when the future arrives, it is no longer the future but rather the present moment. So in that respect, the future actually never arrives and is instead, merely a mental construct of ours whether it be an accurate one or an inaccurate one. It is an expectation, not a reality.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GeneZ wrote:
  There is a HUGE difference between Christ and Allah.


Rotflmao!

Of course, there is.  Jesus was a poor fella. Laughing You are comparing Apple with a wild Berry.  Laughing Christ was just a man with a wrong name, a name that he would not even respond to, if he ever comes back, which I am sure will never happen.  Laughing Allah is the name for God Almighty and Jesus or Christ is the name of a man born of a woman.

Would you compare Jesus with Yehuvah? If you do, that would be a ridiculous attempt. He was not even the "father". Remember that the 'son' is not the 'father' and also, that the 'son' is not the 'holy spirit'. Those are distinct three. Do you know what it means? It means the 'son' was just a man, nothingelse.  Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
GeneZ wrote:
  There is a HUGE difference between Christ and Allah.


Rotflmao!

Of course, there is.  Jesus was a poor fella. Laughing You are comparing Apple with a wild Berry.  Laughing Christ was just a man with a wrong name, a name that he would not even respond to, if he ever comes back, which I am sure will never happen.  Laughing Allah is the name for God Almighty and Jesus or Christ is the name of a man born of a woman.

Would you compare Jesus with Yehuvah? If you do, that would be a ridiculous attempt. He was not even the "father". Remember that the 'son' is not the 'father' and also, that the 'son' is not the 'holy spirit'. Those are distinct three. Do you know what it means? It means the 'son' was just a man, nothingelse.  Laughing

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Hey brother BMZ

This is called the Tutty Fruity fallacy

Which is to compare appels with oranges

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
GeneZ wrote:
  There is a HUGE difference between Christ and Allah.


Rotflmao!

Of course, there is.  Jesus was a poor fella. Laughing You are comparing Apple with a wild Berry.  Laughing Christ was just a man with a wrong name, a name that he would not even respond to, if he ever comes back, which I am sure will never happen.  Laughing Allah is the name for God Almighty and Jesus or Christ is the name of a man born of a woman.

Would you compare Jesus with Yehuvah? If you do, that would be a ridiculous attempt. He was not even the "father". Remember that the 'son' is not the 'father' and also, that the 'son' is not the 'holy spirit'. Those are distinct three. Do you know what it means? It means the 'son' was just a man, nothingelse.  Laughing

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Hey brother BMZ

This is called the Tutty Fruity fallacy

Which is to compare appels with oranges

Cheers


It seems that we all agree that all Gods are essential ingredient for a good fruit-cake! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
GeneZ wrote:
  There is a HUGE difference between Christ and Allah.


Rotflmao!

Of course, there is.  Jesus was a poor fella. Laughing You are comparing Apple with a wild Berry.  Laughing Christ was just a man with a wrong name, a name that he would not even respond to, if he ever comes back, which I am sure will never happen.  Laughing Allah is the name for God Almighty and Jesus or Christ is the name of a man born of a woman.

Would you compare Jesus with Yehuvah? If you do, that would be a ridiculous attempt. He was not even the "father". Remember that the 'son' is not the 'father' and also, that the 'son' is not the 'holy spirit'. Those are distinct three. Do you know what it means? It means the 'son' was just a man, nothingelse.  Laughing

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Hey brother BMZ

This is called the Tutty Fruity fallacy

Which is to compare apples with oranges

Cheers


Oh, they do. They compare with an egg also. If that doesn't work, a cube of ice will do.

It really looks so silly, Ahmad, when these folks start comparing a man with God. And forget to keep in mind that the man earlier had reprimanded one not to even call him good.  Very Happy

This is one place where the authors who penned the gospels forgot to write the word God instead of good. lol! May be 100 years from people will read in the NT,"God teacher." instead of "Good teacher". It is a slow process but will happen one day.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_Brains wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
GeneZ wrote:
  There is a HUGE difference between Christ and Allah.


Rotflmao!

Of course, there is.  Jesus was a poor fella. Laughing You are comparing Apple with a wild Berry.  Laughing Christ was just a man with a wrong name, a name that he would not even respond to, if he ever comes back, which I am sure will never happen.  Laughing Allah is the name for God Almighty and Jesus or Christ is the name of a man born of a woman.

Would you compare Jesus with Yehuvah? If you do, that would be a ridiculous attempt. He was not even the "father". Remember that the 'son' is not the 'father' and also, that the 'son' is not the 'holy spirit'. Those are distinct three. Do you know what it means? It means the 'son' was just a man, nothingelse.  Laughing

BMZ



Hey brother BMZ

This is called the Tutty Fruity fallacy

Which is to compare appels with oranges

Cheers


It seems that we all agree that all Gods are essential ingredient for a good fruit-cake! Wink


LOL! A_B.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fruit-cake or no, the Bible treats Isaiah 42 as referring to Christ, and He was indicted and executed for that, Luke 9:35, 1Peter 2:4, Matthew 3:17 (origin), Matt17:5, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22.  Corroboration is in Isa11:2, 59:1, 61:1, to name a few.  This is a prophecy of MESSIAH WHO PAYS FOR SINS, Filled with the Holy Spirit.  It predates the fruit-cake Qu'ran by 1400 years, beginning with Isaiah.

Now it was consistent in the text of Bible, remains so even to this day.  So which fruit-cake idea is the original one?  Bible's.  And Qu'ran never makes the claim that Isaiah predicted Muhammed, only stupid Muslims do that.  For the hmd root is very common, and so you must read the context to know what it means.  Any fruitcake would know that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fruit-cake or no, the Bible treats Isaiah 42 as referring to Christ, and He was indicted and executed for that, Luke 9:35, 1Peter 2:4, Matthew 3:17 (origin), Matt17:5, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22.  Corroboration is in Isa11:2, 59:1, 61:1, to name a few.  This is a prophecy of MESSIAH WHO PAYS FOR SINS, Filled with the Holy Spirit.  It predates the fruit-cake Qu'ran by 1400 years, beginning with Isaiah.

Now it was consistent in the text of Bible, remains so even to this day.  So which fruit-cake idea is the original one?  Bible's.  And Qu'ran never makes the claim that Isaiah predicted Muhammed, only stupid Muslims do that.  For the hmd root is very common, and so you must read the context to know what it means.  Any fruitcake would know that.


Could you please differentiate your fruit-cake from the Jewish Holy Scriptures by calling your Bible as the The Christian Bible and call the Jewish Holy Scriptures as The Jewish Bible.

This is necessary in order to avoid confusion because the Jews do not recognise your fruit-cake. Isaiah in the Christians' Bible is another fruit-cake within a fruit-cake, not baked to perfection.  Laughing  

By the way, could you show us from your Isaiah 42 fruit-cake, where does it mention anything about this slave WHO PAYS FOR THE SINS"?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ, it's all the SAME Bible.  There are many things you Muslims don't understand.  
1.  Bible is the SAME TEXT for Judaism or Christianity.  Doesn't mean we all ACCEPT it equally, we don't.  But we all agree on what the text IS.  We just disagree on whether we believe in it.

2.  God-Man is ONE PERSON, two natures.  I made a video on it, but here's the gist:  When Christ talks from His Human Nature, He talks like a man;  when from His Divine Nature, He talks like God.  It's the SAME Person, but He speaks of Himself in the third person, OBJECTIVELY.  

3.  There are key rhetorical styles you need to know in Bible and if you don't know them, you'll misinterpret what Bible says and people will snigger behind your back like you did with Apple Pie.  So do learn what they are, before you make any pronouncements on what Bible says.  You can see these styles in translation, so unlike us you don't need to learn the original-language texts, first.  But it would help a lot, since 50% of the Bible is MIStranslated.

Golly, I can't type using this skin either, type is too small.  Be right back.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: Isaiah 42 Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hello All

In Isaiah 42, the first seven verses prophecy the coming of Jesus:

1: Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2: He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3: A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4: He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5: Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7: To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

[Isaiah ; 42:1-7]

In the Bible there is only one human that is named Kedar, the grandson of Ishmael:

These are their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebaioth; then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,

[ 1 Chronicles ; 1:29]

The Land where Kedarites had settled is called Arabia. The prophecy for the coming of a new prophet in Arabia with a new scripture, begins with verse number eight:

8: I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9: Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10: Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11: Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12: Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
13: The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.  

[Isaiah ; 42:8-14]
-> God revealed in the Land of Kedar to  prophet Muhammad  (who is a descendant of Kedar) a New Song, the Quran, in the language of the Kedarites. The verses of the Quran are recited like a poem. Nearly 1.5 billion Muslims residing all over the world, recite this new song and glorify Allah in their daily prayers, five times in a day. The initial Revelation came to prophet Muhammad in a cave of a mountain near the city of Mecca and during the annual Islamic Pilgrimage called Hajj, Muslims from all over the world assemble in Mecca and declare Glory to the Lord from the top of mount Arafat.

-> There is no doubt that Prophet Muhammad is known as a mighty prophet of Allah and he did stir up jealousy among the most influential and dominating tribe of the pagan Arabs in Arabia: he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies

In the OT, the God often speaks I will do this, or I have done this, whereas in the above passages, He has chosen a human being to do these jobs on his behalf. The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man . Here is an example to the God saying, I Did such and such:

7: And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8: And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9: Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
10: Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
11: Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12: For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

[2 Samuel ; 12:7-12]

To be continued….


Verses 1-4 This prophecy was fulfilled in Christ, matthew 12:17. Let our souls rely on him, and rejoice in him; then, for his sake, the Father will be well-pleased with us. The Holy Spirit not only came, but rested upon him, and without measure. He patiently bore the contradiction of sinners. His kingdom is spiritual; he was not to appear with earthly honors. He is tender of those oppressed with doubts and fears, as a bruised reed; those who are as smoking flax, as the wick of a lamp newly lighted, which is ready to go out again. He will not despise them, nor lay upon them more work or more suffering than they can bear. By a long course of miracles and his resurrection, he fully showed the truth of his holy religion. By the power of his gospel and grace he fixes principles in the minds of men, which tend to make them wise and just. The most distant nations wait for his law, wait for his gospel, and shall welcome it. If we would make our calling and election sure, and have the Father delight over us for good, we must behold, hear, believe in, and obey Christ.

Verses 5-12 The work of redemption brings back man to the obedience he owes to God as his Maker. Christ is the light of the world. And by his grace he opens the understandings Satan has blinded, and sets at liberty from the bondage of sin. The Lord has supported his church. And now he makes new promises, which shall as certainly be fulfilled as the old ones were. When the Gentiles are brought into the church, he is glorified in them and by them. Let us give to God those things which are his, taking heed that we do not serve the creature more than the Creator.

Verses 13-17 The Lord will appear in his power and glory. He shall cry, in the preaching of his word. He shall cry aloud in the gospel woes, which must be preached with gospel blessings, to awaken a sleeping world. He shall conquer by the power of his Spirit. And those that contradict and blaspheme his gospel, he shall put to silence and shame; and that which hinders its progress shall be taken out of the way. To those who by nature were blind, God will show the way to life and happiness by Jesus Christ. They are weak in knowledge, but He will make darkness light. They are weak in duty, but their way shall be plain. Those whom God brings into the right way, he will guide in it. This passage is a prophecy, and is also applicable to every believer; for the Lord will never leave nor forsake them.

Yes, Kedar is the second son of Ishmael  This passage does not say that God's servant is from Kedar.   It only says that the people of Kedar (along with the many other peoples) should rejoice.   In fact, this passage is speaking about God's Messiah.  In verse 1 God says He will put His Spirit on his servant, which is the essential idea of the "Messiah" (Anointed One), as in Is.61:1, "The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me...." Compare vs. 6 with Lk.2:32 and vs. 7 with Lk.4:18 to see the clear reference to Messiah Jesus.

The "new song" is not the Quran.

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