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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Quran 5:32 (A message to the Muslims)  Reply with quote

[quote="BMZ"]
ronyvo wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Good post, Ahmed. The verses explain the sanctity and the value of human life and condemn murder of people.

Defending against aggression and war is a different matter. Personally, I believe that 9/11 was a retaliation by Osama after Clinton ordered attack by raining cruise missiles on Osama's camps in Afghanistan. There was nothing Islamic in it and 9/11 can never be justified by any Muslim. It was wrong.

Salaams
BMZ


Well done! I am really happy to see this side of Islam and Muslims.

Are you so easily decieved?!


I am only reacting to BMZ comment on 9/11, which sounds reasonable.

Sounds reasonable?
There is nothing in Islam sounds resonable.
The Islamic agenda is to dominate the entire globe.
How can you trust "peaceful islam"?:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4


ronyvo,

Have I quoted you the HATE verse from the master himself, the one which was quoted by Imam Luke? I append below for an easy reference and for this exchange, it should mean what it says this time. lol!


Quote:
26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.[/quote]

If you read very carefully, Jesus even does not want his people and you to live. He wants you to hate even your own dear life. lol!

Cheers
BMZ


Can't you people read?
You just repeat the same thing over and over, what you hear fom your ignorant imams.
How many times this verse and a couple of others, where Jesus mentioned the sword Muslims keep repeating?
Some of you might read, but definitely do not understand.
You BMZ are a proof to thet.

I'v already answered that to you and others, many times.
Simply, AGAIN, Jesus was saying that his teachings will cause division in families, BECAUSE SOME WILL ACCEPT HIS TEACHINGS AND OTHERS WILL NOT.
The MESSAGE is clear even to the blind LOVE AND PEACE.
Where the MESSAGE of Mohammad is also clear to the blind HATE, KILL, TERRORIZE, RAPE STEAL......

Try to be honest, just a little. I know that would be very hard for you as Muslim. But, try you might be able to see the light and get out of darkness.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: Quran 5:32 (A message to the Muslims) Reply with quote

[quote="BMZ"]
ronyvo wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Good post, Ahmed. The verses explain the sanctity and the value of human life and condemn murder of people.

Defending against aggression and war is a different matter. Personally, I believe that 9/11 was a retaliation by Osama after Clinton ordered attack by raining cruise missiles on Osama's camps in Afghanistan. There was nothing Islamic in it and 9/11 can never be justified by any Muslim. It was wrong.

Salaams
BMZ


Well done! I am really happy to see this side of Islam and Muslims.

Are you so easily decieved?!


I am only reacting to BMZ comment on 9/11, which sounds reasonable.

Sounds reasonable?
There is nothing in Islam sounds resonable.
The Islamic agenda is to dominate the entire globe.
How can you trust "peaceful islam"?:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4


ronyvo,

Have I quoted you the HATE verse from the master himself, the one which was quoted by Imam Luke? I append below for an easy reference and for this exchange, it should mean what it says this time. lol!


Quote:
26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.[/quote]

If you read very carefully, Jesus even does not want his people and you to live. He wants you to hate even your own dear life. lol!

Cheers
BMZ


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Quran 5:32 (A message to the Muslims) Reply with quote

[quote="AhmedBahgat"]
BMZ wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Good post, Ahmed. The verses explain the sanctity and the value of human life and condemn murder of people.

Defending against aggression and war is a different matter. Personally, I believe that 9/11 was a retaliation by Osama after Clinton ordered attack by raining cruise missiles on Osama's camps in Afghanistan. There was nothing Islamic in it and 9/11 can never be justified by any Muslim. It was wrong.

Salaams
BMZ


Well done! I am really happy to see this side of Islam and Muslims.

Are you so easily decieved?!


I am only reacting to BMZ comment on 9/11, which sounds reasonable.

Sounds reasonable?
There is nothing in Islam sounds resonable.
The Islamic agenda is to dominate the entire globe.
How can you trust "peaceful islam"?:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4


ronyvo,

Have I quoted you the HATE verse from the master himself, the one which was quoted by Imam Luke? I append below for an easy reference and for this exchange, it should mean what it says this time. lol!


Quote:
26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.[/quote]

If you read very carefully, Jesus even does not want his people and you to live. He wants you to hate even your own dear life. lol!

Cheers
BMZ


Slam dunk


Indeed, mate.

ronyvo has not responded yet to the other two posts of mine, dated 29th June.

2 more slam dunks. lol!

Have sent a PM to you on this site.

Salaams
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: Quran 5:32 (A message to the Muslims) Reply with quote

[quote="BMZ"]
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Good post, Ahmed. The verses explain the sanctity and the value of human life and condemn murder of people.

Defending against aggression and war is a different matter. Personally, I believe that 9/11 was a retaliation by Osama after Clinton ordered attack by raining cruise missiles on Osama's camps in Afghanistan. There was nothing Islamic in it and 9/11 can never be justified by any Muslim. It was wrong.

Salaams
BMZ

BMZ. please don't flatter yourself.
I told you before that I don't have the time to answer the same issue over and over.
The couple of verses that you Muslims are trying very hard to discredit the Bible with, mean that THE MESSAGE JESUS IS TEACHING WILL CAUSE DIVISION IN ONE FAMILY. sOME WILL ACCEPT HIM AND OTHERS WILL NOT.
Is this understood?

Amazing how Muslims in genral using the same thing and get into empty circles. And when they don't get an answer, they claim victory.
This doen't work with me.
I have been there for a very very long time. I know your tactics.
I am wrting in over 6 forums.
Many are asking genuuine questions, they do want to understand and learn.
Those people I go the extra mile with them.

So, GOOD BYE.

Well done! I am really happy to see this side of Islam and Muslims.

Are you so easily decieved?!


I am only reacting to BMZ comment on 9/11, which sounds reasonable.

Sounds reasonable?
There is nothing in Islam sounds resonable.
The Islamic agenda is to dominate the entire globe.
How can you trust "peaceful islam"?:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4


ronyvo,

Have I quoted you the HATE verse from the master himself, the one which was quoted by Imam Luke? I append below for an easy reference and for this exchange, it should mean what it says this time. lol!


Quote:
26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.[/quote]

If you read very carefully, Jesus even does not want his people and you to live. He wants you to hate even your own dear life. lol!

Cheers
BMZ


Slam dunk


Indeed, mate.

ronyvo has not responded yet to the other two posts of mine, dated 29th June.

2 more slam dunks. lol!

Have sent a PM to you on this site.

Salaams
BMZ
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just logged in , been away for a while, will read the opening post later and reply to it positively or negatively. For now, I can not believe you pulled Ronyvo in with that sword verse. I leave away for couple weeks and you Two revert back to your novice tricks.

The Bible Sword verse is inconsequential. It is a statistical anomaly. When the Mawlahs scoured the NT and tried to find something resembling or justifying islam in it, they had to look very hard to find this sword verse.

So now plz keep statistical anomalies out of conversations in the future and stop wasting the goddamn time. The single sword verse can be interpreted positively when put in context with the rest of the NT. The statistical average of the NT is the best defense and justification for the ONE sword verse in the NT.

To make your (BMZ and AB) position even weaker, the sword verse does NOT abrogate sh1t in the Bible. It does not cancel the dozens of good commands in that book.

As for 5:32, when 500 muslim 'scholar' came together to condemn 7/7. They did a pisspoor job to condemn the bombing and the BEST verse they could bring forward was 5:32.

5:32 is the BEST verse they could agree on bringing forward. A disgusting verse carried forward by a disgusting group of liars.

Now I will go through AB's opening post later tonight and give an appropriate response. Until then, I hope you will stop discussing statistical anomalies with an interpretation that flies in the face of the rest of the book you quoted this 'sword verse' from.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just logged in , been away for a while, will read the opening post later and reply to it positively or negatively. For now, I can not believe you pulled Ronyvo in with that sword verse. I leave away for couple weeks and you Two revert back to your novice tricks.

The Bible Sword verse is inconsequential. It is a statistical anomaly. When the Mawlahs scoured the NT and tried to find something resembling or justifying islam in it, they had to look very hard to find this sword verse.

So now plz keep statistical anomalies out of conversations in the future and stop wasting the goddamn time. The single sword verse can be interpreted positively when put in context with the rest of the NT. The statistical average of the NT is the best defense and justification for the ONE sword verse in the NT.

To make your (BMZ and AB) position even weaker, the sword verse does NOT abrogate sh1t in the Bible. It does not cancel the dozens of good commands in that book.

As for 5:32, when 500 muslim 'scholar' came together to condemn 7/7. They did a pisspoor job to condemn the bombing and the BEST verse they could bring forward was 5:32.

5:32 is the BEST verse they could agree on bringing forward. A disgusting verse carried forward by a disgusting group of liars.

Now I will go through AB's opening post later tonight and give an appropriate response. Until then, I hope you will stop discussing statistical anomalies with an interpretation that flies in the face of the rest of the book you quoted this 'sword verse' from.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
Just logged in , been away for a while, will read the opening post later and reply to it positively or negatively. For now, I can not believe you pulled Ronyvo in with that sword verse. I leave away for couple weeks and you Two revert back to your novice tricks.

The Bible Sword verse is inconsequential. It is a statistical anomaly. When the Mawlahs scoured the NT and tried to find something resembling or justifying islam in it, they had to look very hard to find this sword verse.

So now plz keep statistical anomalies out of conversations in the future and stop wasting the goddamn time. The single sword verse can be interpreted positively when put in context with the rest of the NT. The statistical average of the NT is the best defense and justification for the ONE sword verse in the NT.

To make your (BMZ and AB) position even weaker, the sword verse does NOT abrogate sh1t in the Bible. It does not cancel the dozens of good commands in that book.

As for 5:32, when 500 muslim 'scholar' came together to condemn 7/7. They did a pisspoor job to condemn the bombing and the BEST verse they could bring forward was 5:32.

5:32 is the BEST verse they could agree on bringing forward. A disgusting verse carried forward by a disgusting group of liars.

Now I will go through AB's opening post later tonight and give an appropriate response. Until then, I hope you will stop discussing statistical anomalies with an interpretation that flies in the face of the rest of the book you quoted this 'sword verse' from.



Don't waste your time. The topic you are talking about is stale. That has been done. I have condemned Osama and the likes, so don't bring up 911 and 711. etc.

The issue being discussed is the foul language of the biblical Jesus. I was referring to the HATE taught by Jesus, the son of Mary. The man could have used better words to call people to God. His style of speech and his messages gave brith to a hate that resulted in massive killing and burning of people over the darkest history of Christianity for fifteen centuries.

There are two possibilities. Either Jesus spoke that way or the crude writer of the gospel wrote that way.

The verse clearly shows the biblical Jesus asking people to hate everyone and love only him and his God. He does not want the Christians even to live. He wants them there.  The verse is crystal clear.  It was the start of anti-Semitism to come after the destruction of his 'father's' Temple, cursed by him.  

If you have read Qur'aan throughly, you will find Muhammad conveyed a better message than Jesus' hateful approach. Have you read that verse which calls people to God and outclasses and outshines the ugly words said by Jesus?

If you are going to put the Christian spin over this, then apply the same for the "Fight in the cause of God.", given to Muslims when they were being attacked and killed by the pagan Meccans.

What is good for the Christians' goose should also be good for the Muslim gander.  Laughing  Laughing  

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
Baal wrote:
Just logged in , been away for a while, will read the opening post later and reply to it positively or negatively. For now, I can not believe you pulled Ronyvo in with that sword verse. I leave away for couple weeks and you Two revert back to your novice tricks.

The Bible Sword verse is inconsequential. It is a statistical anomaly. When the Mawlahs scoured the NT and tried to find something resembling or justifying islam in it, they had to look very hard to find this sword verse.

So now plz keep statistical anomalies out of conversations in the future and stop wasting the goddamn time. The single sword verse can be interpreted positively when put in context with the rest of the NT. The statistical average of the NT is the best defense and justification for the ONE sword verse in the NT.

To make your (BMZ and AB) position even weaker, the sword verse does NOT abrogate sh1t in the Bible. It does not cancel the dozens of good commands in that book.

As for 5:32, when 500 muslim 'scholar' came together to condemn 7/7. They did a pisspoor job to condemn the bombing and the BEST verse they could bring forward was 5:32.

5:32 is the BEST verse they could agree on bringing forward. A disgusting verse carried forward by a disgusting group of liars.

Now I will go through AB's opening post later tonight and give an appropriate response. Until then, I hope you will stop discussing statistical anomalies with an interpretation that flies in the face of the rest of the book you quoted this 'sword verse' from.



Don't waste your time. The topic you are talking about is stale. That has been done. I have condemned Osama and the likes, so don't bring up 911 and 711. etc.

The issue being discussed is the foul language of the biblical Jesus. I was referring to the HATE taught by Jesus, the son of Mary. The man could have used better words to call people to God. His style of speech and his messages gave brith to a hate that resulted in massive killing and burning of people over the darkest history of Christianity for fifteen centuries.

There are two possibilities. Either Jesus spoke that way or the crude writer of the gospel wrote that way.

The verse clearly shows the biblical Jesus asking people to hate everyone and love only him and his God. He does not want the Christians even to live. He wants them there.  The verse is crystal clear.  It was the start of anti-Semitism to come after the destruction of his 'father's' Temple, cursed by him.  

If you have read Qur'aan throughly, you will find Muhammad conveyed a better message than Jesus' hateful approach. Have you read that verse which calls people to God and outclasses and outshines the ugly words said by Jesus?

If you are going to put the Christian spin over this, then apply the same for the "Fight in the cause of God.", given to Muslims when they were being attacked and killed by the pagan Meccans.

What is good for the Christians' goose should also be good for the Muslim gander.  Laughing  Laughing  

BMZ

Referring to language used? You are referring to nothing. You are referring to a statistical anomaly and even that anomaly you are interpreting in a way that flies in the face of the rest of the book. This is the best you can put forward.

And I do not care much about who or what *you* condemn when you get personally squeezed on the forum. I cared more about the 500 islamic scholars that *publicly* came out and made a crappy open-for-interpretation islamic apology that shamed me and all Arabs muslims and non-muslims. And the verse they used was 5:32. Now in the UK they are kicking out people who had been working there for Five Years+ . Christians & Muslims, people who graduated from British universities are being sent home in the hundreds of Thousands. So I am really glad you apologized for 7/7 BMZ. And I can not believe the idiots used 5:32. But hey, what else could they have used from those 6286 verses?


Now Stop wasting the Goddamn time and holding on to a straw. Let the straw go an go back to concentrate on more useful things.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As to answer Ahmad Bahgat's Opening Statement:

"So do not kill a Soul except by Truth 'Hak'"

Few problems with that Ahmed:

* What about those who do not follow the True Religion 'Deen Al Hak'"
* What about those who are not killed, only get their limbs chopped on either side and exiled from their land?

The condition set by islam to follow the Hak is disgusting and can only lead to violence and solotheism. A condition where everyone walks around and feel entitled to the only truth. A condition where a Sunni will burn the farm of another Sunni. And then ally himself with the Sunni to hit the American. And then ally himself with the American to his the Shiia. We do not want solotheism. We do not need this sh1t.

As usual, your interpretation of 5:32 is the best a 'search-engine' jockey like yourself can come up with.

Cheers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baal wrote:
As to answer Ahmad Bahgat's Opening Statement:

"So do not kill a Soul except by Truth 'Hak'"

Few problems with that Ahmed:

* What about those who do not follow the True Religion 'Deen Al Hak'"


Salam from London, Bal

firstly the law above should apply in a Muslim land that implement the Islamic Saria as stated in the Quran, the law should apply on all residents living in such country regardless what religion they follow

Baal wrote:
* What about those who are not killed, only get their limbs chopped on either side and exiled from their land?


Well, an eye for an eye, this means if I chop off someone leg in a violenet encounter and I'm the perpetrator then I should have my leg chopped off too

Baal wrote:
The condition set by islam to follow the Hak is disgusting and can only lead to violence and solotheism.



You are damn confused, Bal, the word Al Haq in the verse does not mean following the religion of Al haq (Islam) rather it means that we can't noot apply the eye for an eye rule unless we have Haq to apply on the perpetrators,

Baal wrote:
A condition where everyone walks around and feel entitled to the only truth. A condition where a Sunni will burn the farm of another Sunni. And then ally himself with the Sunni to hit the American. And then ally himself with the American to his the Shiia. We do not want solotheism. We do not need this sh1t.


Your statement above is based on your confusion regarding the context meaning of the wird Al Haq when it comes to implementing the eye for an eye ruke, this rule still have exceptions, if the victim or the family of the victim (in case the victim is dead) forgive the perptrator(s) then the eye for an eye may not be applied

Baal wrote:

As usual, your interpretation of 5:32 is the best a 'search-engine' jockey like yourself can come up with.

Cheers.


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cheers


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