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Quran 5:32 (A message to the Muslims)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Just logged in , been away for a while, will read the opening post later and reply to it positively or negatively. For now, I can not believe you pulled Ronyvo in with that sword verse. I leave away for couple weeks and you Two revert back to your novice tricks.

The Bible Sword verse is inconsequential. It is a statistical anomaly. When the Mawlahs scoured the NT and tried to find something resembling or justifying islam in it, they had to look very hard to find this sword verse.

So now plz keep statistical anomalies out of conversations in the future and stop wasting the goddamn time. The single sword verse can be interpreted positively when put in context with the rest of the NT. The statistical average of the NT is the best defense and justification for the ONE sword verse in the NT.

To make your (BMZ and AB) position even weaker, the sword verse does NOT abrogate sh1t in the Bible. It does not cancel the dozens of good commands in that book.

As for 5:32, when 500 muslim 'scholar' came together to condemn 7/7. They did a pisspoor job to condemn the bombing and the BEST verse they could bring forward was 5:32.

5:32 is the BEST verse they could agree on bringing forward. A disgusting verse carried forward by a disgusting group of liars.

Now I will go through AB's opening post later tonight and give an appropriate response. Until then, I hope you will stop discussing statistical anomalies with an interpretation that flies in the face of the rest of the book you quoted this 'sword verse' from.



Don't waste your time. The topic you are talking about is stale. That has been done. I have condemned Osama and the likes, so don't bring up 911 and 711. etc.

The issue being discussed is the foul language of the biblical Jesus. I was referring to the HATE taught by Jesus, the son of Mary. The man could have used better words to call people to God. His style of speech and his messages gave brith to a hate that resulted in massive killing and burning of people over the darkest history of Christianity for fifteen centuries.

There are two possibilities. Either Jesus spoke that way or the crude writer of the gospel wrote that way.

The verse clearly shows the biblical Jesus asking people to hate everyone and love only him and his God. He does not want the Christians even to live. He wants them there.  The verse is crystal clear.  It was the start of anti-Semitism to come after the destruction of his 'father's' Temple, cursed by him.  

If you have read Qur'aan throughly, you will find Muhammad conveyed a better message than Jesus' hateful approach. Have you read that verse which calls people to God and outclasses and outshines the ugly words said by Jesus?

If you are going to put the Christian spin over this, then apply the same for the "Fight in the cause of God.", given to Muslims when they were being attacked and killed by the pagan Meccans.

What is good for the Christians' goose should also be good for the Muslim gander.  Laughing  Laughing  

BMZ

Referring to language used? You are referring to nothing. You are referring to a statistical anomaly and even that anomaly you are interpreting in a way that flies in the face of the rest of the book. This is the best you can put forward.

And I do not care much about who or what *you* condemn when you get personally squeezed on the forum. I cared more about the 500 islamic scholars that *publicly* came out and made a crappy open-for-interpretation islamic apology that shamed me and all Arabs muslims and non-muslims. And the verse they used was 5:32. Now in the UK they are kicking out people who had been working there for Five Years+ . Christians & Muslims, people who graduated from British universities are being sent home in the hundreds of Thousands. So I am really glad you apologized for 7/7 BMZ. And I can not believe the idiots used 5:32. But hey, what else could they have used from those 6286 verses?


Now Stop wasting the Goddamn time and holding on to a straw. Let the straw go an go back to concentrate on more useful things.



Can you try to be coherent, Baal? What exactly is your gripe? What is your point?

I have been to the UK just a few months ago and I found nothing against Islam and the Muslims. I stayed in Goalders Green, where all the British Jews and other Brits were nice to me.

It is an internet BS that you guys harp or the Brits, in your view, are hypocrites.

Of course, I did not hurt any Brit by pointing out that they are mainly responsible for all the mess in the world.

BMZ

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The British government is outwardly very very friendly. Even the population is put in a drugged dhimmi-like state. Inwardly they have taken severe steps to close their doors.

Now, back on subject, I could not believe that when 500+ scholars came together to put forward a lame apology for 7/7 (something like they should not have blown up the wrong people), the only verse they came forward with was a 'portion' of 5:32.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The British government is outwardly very very friendly. Even the population is put in a drugged dhimmi-like state. Inwardly they have taken severe steps to close their doors.

Now, back on subject, I could not believe that when 500+ scholars came together to put forward a lame apology for 7/7 (something like they should not have blown up the wrong people), the only verse they came forward with was a 'portion' of 5:32.


I hope what you say is true, although I disagree, UK is a bloody dhimmi country

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