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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Exposing the gang of deceit  Reply with quote

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[I don't care about what they want, it is all about what I want, and that is exactly what I want, to make them drink from the cup that is worse than the one they want me to drink from.

Why sink low to their level?

And your primary goal should be to make them stop insulting Islam, not to make them piss so they insult more.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Exposing the gang of deceit Reply with quote

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[I don't care about what they want, it is all about what I want, and that is exactly what I want, to make them drink from the cup that is worse than the one they want me to drink from.


Raza wrote:

Why sink low to their level?


I will beat them in any level they want to go down to, I'm a professional and know exactly how to deal with such lowest of the lows


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And your primary goal should be to make them stop insulting Islam,



LOL, as if they will ever stop, it seems you donlt understand what an enemy of your religion means, when you do I'm sure you will change your barbie world jesus mode

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not to make them piss so they insult more.


Sir, that is exactly what I want them to do, TO INCREASE THEIR KUFR so they move further down the levels of Hell, and I enjoy the showtime more

the freaks don't know how my plan will make them more kafirs and when they increase in their kufr then:

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello A_B

I just took a break and prayed Maghrib then prepared a milk bottle for my 4 years old son, during my prayers, most of the times my mind just think of other things which is bad during the prayer of course, and because it's not easy not to think of anything other than Allah while praying, I adapted to this:

if these disturbing thoughts come during the prayers and I can't get rid of it then I will think about what i should say to others in regards to whatever religious debate we have in hand or even any consequence of that, like my hostile actions, and as you can see many Muslims and Kafirs try hard to fault me, despite I'm sure they like reading what I write, I guess what make them want to read it is MY 100% straightforwardness, no alternatives on my side in here, now during my prayer I thought of something that is going to be IMPOSSIBLE for all of you (Muslims or not) to refute

it is in relation to my hostile replies and bad words that I use in my comments, it has to be in relation to that because it was the last thing I was doing before I started my prayer, which was to fukin defend my actions again and again and again, now what I want to achieve with this comment is to defend my position for one final time and this time I won't use Quran verses like 4:148, rather 100% logic and I challenge any human to refute it:

let me refer to myself as party A and all of them as party B

now to be fair, we have to analyse if party A (me) insult their religion and their gods and their prophets as they do

some will jump the gun and say, you do Ahmed, you do by saying the bible is corrupt

Ahmed says:

Hold on boys and girls, you say the same about the Quran, so we are even in here, what both of us needs to do though is to present evidences for that corruption

Do I ever say Christianity and Judaism are fake religions?

Of course not, indeed I always said that both are from the same God, even I say the same regarding Hinduism, that is why it is impossible to charge me with such charge

Do I ever insult their gods?

Of course not, this is because I always say their gods are one who is the same God as mine

Some may say, Ahmed you say Jesus is not god and this is insult to our god Jesus

I say BS, this is because I respect Jesus as a man more than the Christians respect him as a god, the examples of mocking Jesus by the Christians themselves are massive on cyber space

It is them who claim that Jesus was a helpless god who was arrested, mocked, spat at, urinated at, bashed, nailed then hanged to die on a cross in public for further humiliation wjile he cried like a coward ďmy god, my god, why you have forsaken me?Ē, as if he was talking to himself and as if he forsake himself and as fukin if god may die, what a load of BS man

I defend against such crap that they associate to the honourable Jesus, his honour is the same magnitude as the honour of Mohammed, not an atom weight of a difference, at least from my side as a Muslim, I donít talk on the Muslims behalf btw

Some may say, no Ahmed, you mock Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism, NOT by claiming that they are fake rather by claiming that they have been corrupted over the years

Ahmed say:

Hold on a minute boys and girls, I say the fukin same regarding Islam and I also claim that islam is corrupted over the years and most Muslims are confused

Again you canít charge me with such



Now letís look at the other party, party B:

Do they say Islam is a fake religion?

Of course they fukin do, look at what the Christian whom you defended said about Islam

He fukin said that Islam was created based on some human lust, some crap like that, i.e. not from God

See, the difference between me and them, I say their religions are from God and they fukin say mine is fake

Do they insult my God?

Do I need to prove that mate?, of course they fukin do

Do they insult Mohammed?

Mate, what do you think?

They are guilty as charged

That is why I have to insult them, because I canít insult their God and their prophets as they do to mine

NO ONE CAN REFUTE THE ABOVE


Salam mate as I have a long comment to write in regards to 5:32
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hello A_B

I just took a break and prayed Maghrib then prepared a milk bottle for my 4 years old son, during my prayers, most of the times my mind just think of other things which is bad during the prayer of course, and because it's not easy not to think of anything other than Allah while praying, I adapted to this:


Nice to see the gentle human side of you. You must be a proud dad!
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if these disturbing thoughts come during the prayers and I can't get rid of it then I will think about what i should say to others in regards to whatever religious debate we have in hand or even any consequence of that, like my hostile actions, and as you can see many Muslims and Kafirs try hard to fault me, despite I'm sure they like reading what I write, I guess what make them want to read it is MY 100% straightforwardness, no alternatives on my side in here, now during my prayer I thought of something that is going to be IMPOSSIBLE for all of you (Muslims or not) to refute


Look, you're not really hurting anyone by expressing your views. You should always do and say what you think is right as long as it does not inflect harm on others.
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it is in relation to my hostile replies and bad words that I use in my comments, it has to be in relation to that because it was the last thing I was doing before I started my prayer, which was to fukin defend my actions again and again and again, now what I want to achieve with this comment is to defend my position for one final time and this time I won't use Quran verses like 4:148, rather 100% logic and I challenge any human to refute it:


I can clearly see you're upset about this and I will have a look with you at your viewpoint.
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let me refer to myself as party A and all of them as party B

now to be fair, we have to analyse if party A (me) insult their religion and their gods and their prophets as they do

some will jump the gun and say, you do Ahmed, you do by saying the bible is corrupt

Ahmed says:

Hold on boys and girls, you say the same about the Quran, so we are even in here, what both of us needs to do though is to present evidences for that corruption


Fair enough!

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Do I ever say Christianity and Judaism are fake religions?

Of course not, indeed I always said that both are from the same God, even I say the same regarding Hinduism, that is why it is impossible to charge me with such charge

Do I ever insult their gods?

Of course not, this is because I always say their gods are one who is the same God as mine


Sure, but this is a problem that all religions have with each other. Each believe in the one before and deny the one after to claim seal of religions! Christianity acknowledges Judaism in the same way you acknowledge both of them, but Judaism
mocks Christianity and claims JC to be a false prophet. Judaism and Christianity naturally both deny Islam as hoax.
It's a pattern and the battle of who's got the last word!
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Some may say, Ahmed you say Jesus is not god and this is insult to our god Jesus

I say BS, this is because I respect Jesus as a man more than the Christians respect him as a god, the examples of mocking Jesus by the Christians themselves are massive on cyber space


Sure, but Christians will argue that those who do that are not real Christians!

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It is them who claim that Jesus was a helpless god who was arrested, mocked, spat at, urinated at, bashed, nailed then hanged to die on a cross in public for further humiliation wjile he cried like a coward ďmy god, my god, why you have forsaken me?Ē, as if he was talking to himself and as if he forsake himself and as fukin if god may die, what a load of BS man


Now, this is why Muslims can never understand the Christian self-sacrifice dogma. To Christians what happened to Christ the hours before and during the cruxifiction is far from humiliation. It's the manifestation of completely submitting to the will of God, extreme strong faith and ultimate salvation.....salvation by simply letting go!

I don't believe in Christ, but I understand what they defend! Does it make sense? Hell no!
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I defend against such crap that they associate to the honourable Jesus, his honour is the same magnitude as the honour of Mohammed, not an atom weight of a difference, at least from my side as a Muslim, I donít talk on the Muslims behalf btw


They do honor him, but in their own unique way.

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Some may say, no Ahmed, you mock Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism, NOT by claiming that they are fake rather by claiming that they have been corrupted over the years

Ahmed say:

Hold on a minute boys and girls, I say the fukin same regarding Islam and I also claim that islam is corrupted over the years and most Muslims are confused

Again you canít charge me with such


Yes, I give you that.


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Now letís look at the other party, party B:

Do they say Islam is a fake religion?

Of course they fukin do, look at what the Christian whom you defended said about Islam

He fukin said that Islam was created based on some human lust, some crap like that, i.e. not from God

See, the difference between me and them, I say their religions are from God and they fukin say mine is fake


Sure, and that Christians will get the same from Jews. You just happen to be the "unlucky" last making their religions obsolete or less relevant.

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Do they insult my God?

Do I need to prove that mate?, of course they fukin do

Do they insult Mohammed?

Mate, what do you think?

They are guilty as charged

That is why I have to insult them, because I canít insult their God and their prophets as they do to mine

NO ONE CAN REFUTE THE ABOVE


Salam mate as I have a long comment to write in regards to 5:32
[/quote]

Some just do insult Allah, Muhammad and Islam due to ignorance and hatred and some others due to their own understanding of the teaching of the Quran.

You focus on your mission and be yourself. Don't defend yourself, no one is here to attack you personally, but may be the ideas you hold!

Good night!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: Re: Exposing the gang of deceit Reply with quote

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Ahmed,

Apple_Pie and the Likes

There is a huge problem these days which the evangelists are facing. Jesus has been turned into a man-god or god-man of many roles, which cannot be justifed and explained using the Holy Bible, which is full of ambiguities and contradictions.

The Christian apologists have tried their best to explain but to no avail. Now they are looking for Jesus in Qur'aan


Yeah, I never understood THAT one.

BMZ wrote:

and evangelists like Apple-Pie are trying to look outside the Jewish Holy Scriptures, since the Jews have already confirmed that there is no Jesus in their Holy Scriptures.


Well, I believe he is mentioned in the Talmud in an expectedly unflattering manner. Is he in the Torah as well? Obviously that is debatable.

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Here, we have to disregard the Christians' OT, which is a forged copy of the copy of the mistranslation done by 70 hired Jews, who translated the Jewish Holy Scriptures and gave their hirer/employer a bad translation in Greek known as the Septuagint or fonly known as LXX. The Christian holy scripture was written using that bad translation. And you know the pickle the Christians are in.


That's funny. I have read the English translation of both the Torah and the OT, and they are at least 98% the same, short of a few numbers and dates and possibly locations, none of which change the meaning. The biggest difference is that the OT adds additional books.

BMZ wrote:

The apologist has no other alternative left but to try and find Jesus in Islam and Qur'aan.


You may be missing the point. The whole purpose for trying to establish Jesus in the OT is so that Jesus can be the fulfillment of a prophecy, which is one of the measures of whether someone is a true prophet or not. This is why Muslims constantly try and find Muhammad in the Bible. But finding Jesus in a book that Christians consider false (the Quran) is rather pointless. And one doesn't have to look hard, because clearly the Quran DOES mention Jesus, but it twists him to meet the needs of Muhammad. And mentioning Jesus after the fact, so to speak, doesn't do anything to confirm Jesus one way or the other. It only tells us that people in the 7th century believed in Jesus' existence and his divinity, and the divinity aspect is what Muhammad had the biggest distaste for.

BMZ wrote:

At least he can be found in Qur'aan as a humble Slave of God. In his desire to find Jesus in Qur'aan, the Christian apologists and apple_Pie find words such as 'wa huwa', meaning 'and he is' to mean He is. In "Yakhrujo" meaning "it comes out or he comes out", they see Jesus coming or issuing out or He comes out. Laughing


It does confound me to see people claim that a book that they claim is a lie confirms Jesus' divinity. How odd. That's like Muslims using a book they call corrupted to confirm Muhammad as a legitimate prophet.

BMZ wrote:

In the verse, 'Yakhrujo mim-bainas-sulb-e wat-taraaib" Apple_Pie sees Jesus coming out. LOL! He does not understand that the verse is talking about semen coming out or issuing out. He thinks Sulb is Saleeb (cross). Rotflmao. Laughing

Apple_Pie, like Ali Sina does not read, speak and understand Arabic. He writes from Christian resources produced for evangelist. I have written him off as folks at many other non-Muslim sites have written him off as a bigot and a hypocrite.

You are doing a good job by exposing him and you have my full support for doing so.

Salaams
BMZ


Sure, because it meets your agenda. No surprise there.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhmedBahgat wrote:


Here is somthing coool for you that will slam dunk your christians debaters

Hello All

Chriitians always accuse me of mocking Jesus peace be upon him, however I don't mock Jesus, because Jesus for me is exactly like Mohammad peace be upon both, it is the Christians who mock him for about 2000 years, they made him a joke, many humans at his time pissed on him before they killed him while he cried like a coward, and it suppose to be him, knowing that he has to die for us, this is just a load of non sense


Oh, so it's more courageous to have someone else suffer the repercussions of your actions rather than you yourself doing it? Could you imagine if someone attributed that to Muhammad? You would have a cow. But you don't see any problem with Jesus doing this, because whether you realize it or not, you don't have the same respect for Jesus as you do for Muhammad.

When one no longer does things, or one is no longer the doer, and instead, things are done through them, rather than by them, then that is God in the flesh. God becomes the doer and the personal will disappears. Obviously that's going to fly 3 miles over your head but I might as well say it anyway..
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: Invite Apple_Pie here Reply with quote

Ahmed,

Can you invite Apple-Pie to write here or at the council of ex-Muslims' site? Would be fun.

Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: Exposing the gang of deceit Reply with quote

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BMZ wrote:
That's funny. I have read the English translation of both the Torah and the OT, and they are at least 98% the same, short of a few numbers and dates and possibly locations, none of which change the meaning. The biggest difference is that the OT adds additional books.


That means you have not really read them both side by side. Raed paralle and you will find how the Original Jewish Scriptures were forged. I will give you an example of the forgery:

Christians' OT: Psalm 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

Jewish Holy Scriptures:Psalm 2:12
Arm yourselves with purity lest He become angry and you perish in the way, for in a moment His wrath will be kindled; the praises of all who take refuge in Him.

Do you now see the forgery? The verse in the Jewish Holy Scriptures is talking about not making God angry. There is no mention of making the son angry. LOL!

In the Christians' OT, fear has been instilled in the Christian to kiss the son, meaning emrace the son, if not, the son may turn nasty full of wrath and anger and may destroy the people in his anger.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: Exposing the gang of deceit Reply with quote

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BMZ wrote:
That's funny. I have read the English translation of both the Torah and the OT, and they are at least 98% the same, short of a few numbers and dates and possibly locations, none of which change the meaning. The biggest difference is that the OT adds additional books.


That means you have not really read them both side by side. Raed paralle and you will find how the Original Jewish Scriptures were forged. I will give you an example of the forgery:

Christians' OT: Psalm 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

Jewish Holy Scriptures:Psalm 2:12
Arm yourselves with purity lest He become angry and you perish in the way, for in a moment His wrath will be kindled; the praises of all who take refuge in Him.

Do you now see the forgery? The verse in the Jewish Holy Scriptures is talking about not making God angry. There is no mention of making the son angry. LOL!


That's one verse. I did say that at least 98% of it was the same didn't I? The Christians chose the Aramaic meaning of the word, which is indeed "son". I've seen a whole list of differences where the words aren't identical but clearly say the same thing anyway. You found one exception. Big deal?
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
[I don't care about what they want, it is all about what I want, and that is exactly what I want, to make them drink from the cup that is worse than the one they want me to drink from.

Why sink low to their level?

And your primary goal should be to make them stop insulting Islam, not to make them piss so they insult more.


Why should anybody stop insulting Islam? Islam insults other religions. The very core premise of Islam is an insult to Christianity. Anyway, don't bother with the "above it all" nonsense. Nobody's buying.


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